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Be neutral, you will winReader comment on item: Obama Wins, Muslims Divided Submitted by sTs (United Arab Emirates), Dec 18, 2008 at 01:46 For those who have read the repetitious perspective of sTs and his attempts to dissuade disciples of Jesus Christ (and others of lesser faith) for the cause of his unbelief in who Jesus Christ really is, the question still remaining for sTs is that with so much information about the Holy Bible he claims to know, why does he think he stills needs to discredit Christianity if he is so confident of his belief in Islam. (Because I am 100% confident of Islam and Quran and that God is Allah, I want to wake up people specially Christians to the truth, the truth that there is no God but God and the Messengers are Prophets of God, the truth that the Quran is divine (the words of God) and the truth that the message in the Bible got corrupted over the years). 1. Adam sinned. How was his forgiveness procured? We read where animals died to provide the skins to cover his nakedness and shame (Not correct, they covered themselves by the leaves in the Garden of Eden), the first sacrifice for sin. Mankind IS under the curse of that sin(proof in this is found in the death of all mortal humankind from then until now), thus the need for a savior as prophesied in Genesis 3:15. - God says in the Quran (Quran 2:36-39) "But Satan caused them to deflect therefrom and expelled them from the (happy) state in which they were; and We said: Fall down, one of you a foe unto the other! There shall be for you on earth a habitation and provision for a time. (36) Then Adam received from his Lord words (of revelation), and He relented toward him. Lo! He is the relenting, the Merciful. (37) We said: Go down, all of you, from hence; but verily there cometh unto you from Me a guidance; and whoso followeth My guidance, there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve. (38) But they who disbelieve, and deny Our revelations, such are rightful owners of the Fire. They will abide therein. (39)" God is so merciful, He forgave Adam. Who do good he is saved and who do evil, he is in Hell - a very simple formula. 2. Jesus Christ recognized the only way for mankind to have any chance at salvation was for Him to be the sacrifice (Why is the need to be sacrificed?, is it not enough that who believes in God and do good his sins shall be taken away from him?, why the complications). Did that mean He thought it would be a breeze to offer Himself for that cause? Look at the garden of Gethsemane and the referenced Mark 15:34 and recognize in our meager understanding of such things we cannot come close to what He felt in doing this for us, except we are told it was done out of His love. Admitting that you do not believe in what Jesus Christ did does not take away the fact that what He did happened. Any admission of unbelief jeopardizes the eternal destiny of those deny who Jesus Christ is. (Prophet Muhammad said "A believer is not a believer when he sins, he will return a believer when he cast away the devil" in other words those who are believers but sin, are not believers when they sin (out of their senses) (Why the love should be demonstrated with violence- crucifixion?). No Logic. 3. Look at the witness; Almighty God will never force worship from anyone, and Jesus Christ made that point plain. What He does though is provide the witness that He is the same as the Father and is to be worshipped (Jesus never said to people to worship him, never ever, on the contrary clear verses in the bible shows that Jesus was ashamed and said to the man who called him good, that there is only one good, that is God, clear verse in the bible shows that Jesus asked people to worship God alone, clear verses show that Jesus prayed to God) . Several times when He was being worshipped, unbelievers, including the religious rulers of time, tried to stop the worship and what did He say? How about the time when such a thing happened, Jesus Christ said that even if the people did not worship, the very stones on the ground would (Q 22:17) Hast thou not seen that unto Allah payeth adoration whosoever is in the heavens and whosoever is in the earth, and the sun, and the moon, and the stars, and the hills, and the trees, and the beasts, and many of mankind, while there are many unto whom the doom is justly due. He whom Allah scorneth, there is none to give him honour. Lo! Allah doeth what He will". His worship began at the cradle (Jesus worshpped God in the cradle 4. This has been mentioned by sTs before, and it is a beautiful contradiction. The only way for Jesus Christ to be next to Almighty God (not allah, by the way) (God is the same name as Eloi, Elli, Elluhim and Allah), is that He did go to the cross (Not necessary to be crucified, God can do what He pleases, if He wants Jesus next to Him, He can do so without the crucifixion thing) and died for our sins (even the unborn?), was raised from the dead on the third day for our justification (What justification?), and arose to be with Almighty God the Father, where He waits for the Father's will to retake the earth from the Adversary (Satan taking power in the form of the anti-Christ) (That is true, God will command Jesus to go down to earth and kill the anti-christ, kill the pigs, break the cross and fight the Jews) and enter into Jerusalem (then Jerusalem will be in peace under his Islamic rule) afterwards to finally establish the Kingdom of God (Muslim kingdom)on earth. (All God's prophets and messengers are Muslims) 5. This is the same old argument that has it beginnings in the garden and continues to this day as the principle lies argued by the Adversary. If the Jews were in fact responsible for forging the Holy Bible, doesn't anyone think that they would have come out better than they have? No, in spite of the efforts that the unbelieving Jewish population in trying to ruin their own destiny, Almighty God has preserved His WORD and its integrity and continues to do so today. It requires belief for it to have spiritual effectiveness in any person's life. (Seems you have not read the history of the Jews, the Church and Middle Age Europe), once you read them you will have your answer. 6. This is anti-Semitism (what semitism, I am semitic person who says God has His wrath on the Jews - this is anti-semitism? old tone, try another) in its most virulent form, and is a demonstration of the hatred so many have for the Israeli people (you are mislead). There is no doubt that for their unbelief, the Israeli nation is under chastisement for unbelief, but in the final chapters we see the redemption come full circle to the Israeli nation and the remnant people upon the Spirit of Almighty God is poured out. Dispersed they were, but now they are back (Yes, back to be annihilated as God promised). Challenged they are, but Almighty God is still their LORD and He is perfecting His will in their lives, even as this is being written. In the end, the Kingdom of Almighty God is coming to rest in Jerusalem, and it will be Jesus Christ on the throne. (I hope you will be around to see for your self what will happen to the Jews) 7. This is a circular reference to the above item 6. Deuteronomy is the plan for the entirety of Jewish destiny, from their placement in the land they now possess, the dispersal for their idolatries and unbelief, their restorations to show that they have not been abandoned, but are being prepared for the future as the center of the earth during the eternal reign of Jesus Christ, soon to come to pass. (The explanation of the verse in Deuteronomy is take from the Christian church explanation that is "God's wrath on the children of Israel shall ineffectuate the previous blessing on them." Ezekiel 12:15 And they shall know that I am the LORD, when I shall scatter them among the nations, and disperse them in the countries. 8. This is the epilogue of this dissertation, that while acknowledging the Jewish people have been the example in chastisement and lesson to all peoples on how to relate to the Holy Bible, and the Holy God that is its Author and Executor, the eternal lesson must begin with a belief in Jesus Christ as LORD, which disciples of Jesus Christ have done in faith, and eventually the Jewish Nation will acknowledge that as well when the final chapters of prophecy are finished and closed. We shall wait and see. but make sure that I am 100% sure that God (Allah) have sent down on Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Mohammad the scriptures. Take Islam in a positive way, try not to think what is the status of the Muslims today, strip yourself from the wrong feelings, bad influence about the Muslims worldwide today and their misrable conditions. Think only what Islam teaches and how it fits with the call to God. (You will find it has more logic than what you were taught) Note: Opinions expressed in comments are those of the authors alone and not necessarily those of Daniel Pipes. Original writing only, please. Comments are screened and in some cases edited before posting. Reasoned disagreement is welcome but not comments that are scurrilous, off-topic, commercial, disparaging religions, or otherwise inappropriate. For complete regulations, see the "Guidelines for Reader Comments". << Previous Comment Next Comment >> Reader comments (300) on this item
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