What about the article cited?

Submitted by Ludvikus (United States), Aug 24, 2018 at 23:25

Dear Mr. Dennis Middlebrooks,

Your response I found interesting. However, although I tend to be closer to your views and favor Liberalism as defined in these contexts, I am disappointed in your not being able to attack directly the distinction.

Did you read the article by the 2 Israelis cited? I did.

I'm not interested in defending one over the other, as you have.
Rather,what bothers me is the fact that it is founded on such poor American and European history.
Conservative and Liberal, among Anglo-Americans (Brits & US)
essentially simply mean by it what the French mean by Right and Left,
at any particular time in history.
Accordingly,Conservatives would support Slavery, while Liberals would oppose it?

What bothers me the most is that Daniel Pipes bought the poor scholarship
which makes these terms into Philosophical or Political distinctions of Depth, which they're not.
For example, Thomas Jefferson, who wrote the Declaration of Independence,
is presented as a Liberal because of it. However,that document merely embodies
the Revolutionary break with Britain,announcing it.
It has little if any other legal consequences.
But Jefferson was part of the American Gentry who loved is estate at Monticello.
Politically,his adversary was Alexander Hamilton, who established the Bank of America,
representing Big Government, and the Burghers
- the new City industrialist Merchants and Traders or Factors (and their Factories).
So it was Hamilton who was the real Liberal, not Jefferson.

Instead of arguing in defense of Liberalism against Conservativism,
I would like you to consider the issue whether the distinctions as defined
has any bases in History. I maintain that it does not.

Conservatives are good only when they oppose the extreme Right;
similarly, Liberals are only good when they aren't the extreme Left.

Now consider this.
If you believe in PROGRESS,
than Conservatives are against it,
while Liberals support it.
Obviously, therefore,
it's better to be the latter than the former.

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