Thanks for your comments, Dhimmi no more!!

Submitted by Omar (United States), Jan 21, 2006 at 22:00

Dear Dhimmi no more,

I noticed that you were asking "Nuray" in person, by saying "I'm still waiting for your answers". However, I saw your questions interesting that many people may actually want to the answers, and I thought may be my answers may be different than "Nuray", just as my title "Maybe a different perspective", suggests.

I understand how much you don't care about my information, however, this is a post read by hundreds of people. I appreciate your suggestions for improving.

About citation: I think that if one person provides the Verse number and the Sura, it would be sufficient information. I mentioned the source of each and every verse that I mentioned ( www.usc.edu/dept/msa ),unlike what you claim by saying, "why you are not providing us with the source of your translation of the verses that you are quoting." I don't know why you want the transliteration. I don't think a wise guy like you who knows Arabic would find the Arabic version of the Quran and check the Quranic verse himself, right. You seem to be trying to filter out any post which doesn't comply with the Standard of Academic Writing. Well, good work.

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Here is how to find the Transliteration:

Go to http://www.oneummah.net/quran/quran.html !!!

In this site you are going to find both the Arabic and the Translation beside each others.

Here is an example:

In my effort to prove that Allah is God, I got the English version of Surah 36, verses 62 and 63 from the University of Southern California Website www.usc.edu/dept/msa.

"God is the Creator of everything. He is the guardian over everything. Unto Him belong the keys of the heavens and the earth." (39:62, 63).

You are going to visit << http://www.oneummah.net/quran/39.htm >> and you are going to find another English translation:

039.062 Allah is the Creator of all things, and He is the Guardian and Disposer of all affairs.
039.063 To Him belong the keys of the heavens and the earth: and those who reject the Signs of Allah,- it is they who will be in loss.
And the Arabic Transliteration:

اللَّهُ خَالِقُ كُلِّ شَيْءٍ وَهُوَ عَلَى كُلِّ شَيْءٍ وَكِيلٌ

لَهُ مَقَالِيدُ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ وَالَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا بِآيَاتِ اللَّهِ أُوْلَئِكَ هُمُ الْخَاسِرُونَ

Yes!! I understand that you are not interested in knowing how to get the transliteration and care less about knowing that Muslims believe in Allah who created everything. That is just for the rest of the readers. I know that you didn't say "I want to know how to get the transliteration".

I said the above for those who want to obtain transliteration of Quranic verses that I mentioned in previous posts.

Note: such instructions are to all readers, which may or may not include Dhimmi no more, depending on his own will.
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You say that using the Quran to prove a point s circular reasoning which doesn't make sense, though I agree with you at some point. I think that "if the Qur'an says that the Trinity (LOL big time) is Allah, Jesus and Mary then it must be, is a flawed way of thinking" THAT ITS TRUE….. i.e. its doesn't prove that such claim is true.

In other words, if the Quran claims something, then it doesn't mean it's true (of course that's never mentioned that way; it's just a misconception by some Muslims about Christianity). However, quoting the Quran will prove that the Quran Claims such.

For example, if I say that Muhammed said that killing women and children is prohibited, the only way I could prove it is to give a Hadith saying so. However, I can't prove that he didn't do so unless I bring non-Muslim sources that say that Muhammed ordered his followers not to "kill women and children".

I can see your point that you want a non-Muslim source saying that Muslims didn't worship the God of the moon, although even "Allah" in the pre-Islamic Arabia wasn't known as the God of the Moon anyway.

Here is what I got to say using "Non-Muslim Sources"

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This long quote is found at http://www.answers.com/topic/allah, originally obtained from The Columbia Electronic Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition:

Allah (ăl'ə, ä'lə) , [Arab.,=the God]. Derived from an old Semitic root refering to the Divine and used in the Canaanite El, the Mesopotamian ilu, and the biblical Elohim, the word Allah is used by all Arabic-speaking Muslims, Christians, Jews, and others. Allah, as a deity, was probably known in pre-Islamic Arabia. Arabic chronicles suggest a pre-Islamic recognition of Allah as a supreme God, with the three goddesses al-Lat, al-Uzza, and Manat as his "daughters." The Prophet Muhammad, declaring Allah the God of Abraham, demanded a return to a strict monotheism. Islam supplements Allah as the name of God with the 99 most beautiful names (asma Allah al-husna), understood as nondescriptive mnemonic guides to the Divine attributes.

This long quote is directly obtained from Encyclopedia Britannica Online:

(Arabic: "God"), the one and only God in the religion of Islam. Etymologically, the name Allah is probably a contraction of the Arabic al-Ilah, "the God." The name's origin can be traced back to the earliest Semitic writings in which the word for god was Il or El, the latter being an Old Testament synonym for Yahweh. Allah is the standard Arabic word
for "God" and is used by Arab Christians as well as by Muslims.

References:

Allah. (n.d.). The Columbia Electronic Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition. Retrieved January 21, 2006, from Answers.com Web site: http://www.answers.com/topic/allah

Allah. (2006). Encyclopedia Britannica. Retrieved January 21, 2006, from Encyclopædia Britannica Online Website: http://search.eb.com/eb/article-9005770

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The two above long quotes explain that "Allah" is just the same word as "Il or El" which is used in the Old Testament as a "synonym for Yahweh". The article from Encyclopedia Britannica says that Allah is just a matter of translation from "God" in English to "Allah" in "standard Arabic" and "is used by Arab Christians".
The article from The Columbia Electronic Encyclopedia states that the "Arabic chronicles suggest a pre-Islamic recognition of Allah as a supreme God," not just the Moon God.

I hope that this would be a good argument that "our Allah is the God of the Jews and Christians" using non-Muslim sources. On the other hand, you got above the Arabic Quranic Verse which states that Allah is the creator of everything.

Thanks so much, and I do appreciate your effort to improve the argument. However, I still recognize that you don't care about any improvement in the argument, but you actually did : )

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