Information Age dispels lies in Islam- To Nuray

Submitted by John Bastile (Malaysia), Jan 22, 2006 at 22:55

Nuray,

Your version of Islam contains many lies that we have encountered before. Please do understand that our knowledge in Islam is not as shallow as you hoped. You may encounter many muslims which are poor and illiterate and you can succeed in saying what you have. You may have encountered shallow Westerners and bulls**t your way thru. However, in this weblog platform, you are dealing with people who have done research on Islam.

Lie #1
"During the life time of Muhammed, peace upon him, first Islamic state was established so that Muslims could practice Islam without being killed by pagan Arabs. During that time Allah gave an order dictates that non-believers to be killed wherever they were seen."

Muhammed was in Mecca for about 10 years. No harm was done to him. He left because he lost credibility after the "Satanic Verses" incident by allowing three pagan daughters of Allah to be worshipped as well. Later he rescinded his statement by claiming that Satan has taken over him. He lost many followers.


Lie #2
"14th century ago pagans had difficulty to understand life after death, one God instead of many ones. It was really difficult times for both Muslims and non-Muslims."

There were records of Jews and Christians in Arab at that time. Muhammed's relatives were among them. Monotheism has already existed peacefully with pagan beliefs until Islam came along and conquered every tribe by force.

For example, Muhammed attacked Khaybar for its wealth. Later he tortured the keeper of the city's treasury and beheaded him. He then rape the 18-year old wife, Safiyyah on the same night as he killed her father, husband and family.

Ishaq:510 "When the Apostle looked down on Khaybar he told his Companions, ‘O Allah, Lord of the heavens and what they overshadow, and Lord of the Devils and what into error they throw, and Lord of the winds and what they winnow, we ask Thee for the booty of this town and its people. We take refuge in Thee from its evil and the evil of its people. Forward in the name of Allah.' He used to say this of every town he raided."


Lie #3
"Some tribes were destroyed some of them accepted an agreement to pay tax. Later on all of them were united."

The moment Muhammed died, the entire community dispersed. Many revert to their original practices until the War of Compulsion brought them back -by the sword. The 4 Caliphs participated violent civil wars. No Islamic leadership after that. Too treacherous.


More lies actually. But time does not permit me at this juncture. Please, Nuray, present your arguments with consistency and truth. You're not dealing with muslims but the free people. We are capable of research. Please do not claim superiority by ending your weblogs urging us to read about your Islamic history. I urge you to read your own Hadiths and Quran. You seem to avoid quoting the Hadiths. One verse from the quaran and then you filled your paragraphs with propoganda.

If you would like to dispute my arguments above, I can present verses from your own holy books to defend my propositions.

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