Turkey and Islam are not like anything else, alas!

Submitted by Ianus (Poland), Jul 31, 2010 at 05:03

Kaan wrote :

>Anyway, history proofs bad action by, to be honest, all nations and all religions. Do you really believe in any innocent nation or religion? Really? Come on! There are many examples revealing just the opposite you claim. So, do you lie? No! You only focus on the events, which suit your opinion. The world is a little bit more complex.<

The problem here is of a different nature from what you suggest. First, there is a question of scale and consistency. The crimes perpetrated by the Turks and/or in the name of Islam are much greater than any other crimes. They are not accidental but consistent throughout Turkish/Islamic history and no Moslem victimization and justification fairy tales can legitimize them.

Second, while other nations and religions such as Christianity were involved in shameful actions they are capable of admitting and repenting what they have done. And indeed , you can only point to the Christians' misdeeds because Christians themselves have exposed and condemned them.

I can give you as another example where Buddhism is involved - the genocide in Cambodia. I saw a shocking documentary where two Buddhist monks decribed in all possible details and on the spot how they had tortured and massacred people during Pol Pot's regime. They had belonged to the Khmer Rouge guards. They hid nothing , sought no decorous pretexts , blamed no victims. They did the crimes and they repented them . I can't imagine two mullahs or even your local imam teling the same stories of what they or he were doing in the 70-ies during the civil war against the left and the Kurds or their -or your Moslem grandparents describing in details how they had been beating , dragging driving little Greek children into churches to burn them all alive , although such were Kemal's methods of genocide. Perhaps you can imagine that , can't you ? Now try to figure out why this contrast between Buddhism and Islam exists , will you !

But take also the favourite Moslem example of the Jews' exermination in Germany or Stalinist persecutions and bloodbaths in Russia. These things did happen but without the moral point of whitewashing Moslem crimes as implied by Moslems/Turks who adduce these examples.

When you take a broader look at the history of Germany and Russia they are quite singular and uncharacteristic for the two countries and cultures. And it is only because they are suc that afterwards the crimes have been exposed and condemned in public there. There are whole libraries full of books and films about those shameful events which nobody tries to explain away and justify as is the case in any Islam-dominated culture. What is more, in Germany you get jailed if you deny the holocaust in public. In Turkey you get jailed for not denying the Armenian genocide in public , not to speak of the Greek and Assyrian genocides committed by holy Ataturk and his hordes. In Islam any mention of Mohammed's crimes would put you in danger of being killed just as leaving Islam is threatened with death. Do you find it acceptable and honest by any human standards ? Yet you say : "There are many examples revealing just the opposite you claim. So, do you lie?No! You only focus on the events, which suit your opinion. The world is a little bit more complex."

Now speaking of honesty, history , lying , focusing on evennts and the real world which you imply you know so much about, I can you tell you why Turkey and Islam are so different from anything else and don't want the world to focus on their heinous and consistent crimes. Turkey and Islam are essentially built on two grand lies called Mohammed and Ataturk. With exposing these grand lies these two grand articial creations built upon them fall to pieces. That is why it is not possible nor will it be possible as long as they exist on their own terms of terror and intimidation to compare them to anything else in history to make them look acceptable .

Even a comparison between Hitler and Ataturk which might be otherwise so obvious is to my mind mistaken. True, both of them were notorious and psychopathic nation-killers ,but one of them was unfortunate enough to be a failure while the other won through his lies and crimes and nowadays he's been made into a mythical demi-god. There is a law that criminalizes any imaginable attempt at exposing his real nature , any it penalizes even chewing a gum near his statue! The Turks have gone further now targeting even foreigners who express their critical opinions on him on the net.

So instead of your holy indignation and implied moral integrity just compare things closer to see the fundamental differences between nations and religions. It is where things get complex , not where your sweeping generalisations are made without any closer examination of things compared.

So again, my answer to your question "Do you really believe in any innocent nation or religion?" may be as follows : "I believe that all nations and religions except the Turks/Moslems remember their misdeeds and are able to admit and regret them. To err is human. The Moslems are a big exception! They are so evil that they can't even face that possibility. They are panicly afraid that the moment they admit crimes committed by Mohammed and perpetrated in the name of Islam, Islam collapses just like every lie collapses the moment it is admitted or exposed".

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