Lies make things worse, not better, Caleb.

Submitted by Ianus (Poland), Sep 12, 2010 at 05:46

Caleb wrote :

> Under the Truman Doctrine announced in that President's 1947 Address, both Greece AND Turkey received not billions but hundreds of millions of dollars in aid, military and civilian in furtherance of **Containment**. <

From 1947 to 1964 Turkey received more than 4,3 bln dollars from America. Out of this sum 60% was pure military aid which turns out to have been the biggest military aid provided by the US to any of its allies.

> This term for active resistance to the spread of Communism ironically was coined by then Secretary of State (foreign minister) Dean Acheson. Did the US taxpayer get his money's worth? In the short term, yes. The Royalist side prevailed in the Greek Civil War at a cost of 100,000 dead and thousands more choosing exile in the Communist lands. <

If there is any irony in the new-born Turkish anti-Communism, it is the fact that what is euphemistically called "modern Turkey" was created with bolshevik gold and weapons as Soviet Russia's staunch ally in the fight against Western imperialism. But realistically speaking , it would be too much to expect of the nihilistic American power elite to know or care anything about such details.

> No one knows how many Greek children were kidnapped to East Europe, there to grow up both unwelcome and ignorant of who they really were. <

"Kidnapping" is a nonsense ! Having killed or jailed their parents what future did these children have in the puppet state created by the US militarism which had killed and jailed their parents , I pray ? That of janissaries !

As to being "unwelcome and ignorant" it is definitely what can be said about uncouth Turkish peasants colonizing Germany. Here in Poland we had c. 15 000 Greek refugees. They had their own schools, their own printing office in Warsaw publishing Greek school books and rich literature. I have found many Greek books in my local univeristy library dealing with as diverse matters as physics , history , poetry and Greek stories for children. The Greeks have retained their roots and language and were encouraged to do so. Many have returned after the amnesty was finally declared I can assure you that Greeks are thankful for help and are not as forgetful as the aggressive lousy Turkish colonizers of Germany which have come to Germany as the Fifth Column of Pan-Turkism and Islam.

> As for Turkey under the colorless Ismet Inonu, having sat out the Second World War it wanted only to be let alone in its core territory of Anatolia (plus a tiny piece on the fringe of Europe) <

No claims to the Syrian province of Hatay , the Aegean , Cyprus , no oppression, pogroms and extermination of anything non-Turkish like the Greek minority in Constantinople , on Imbros and Tenedos, no war on the Kurds ... ?

> so that it could advance the modernization process Ataturk had begun.<

"Modernization" ...don't you mean thereby almost 100% Islamization of Turkey which no one promoted so much as Mustafa aka Ghazi Kemal Pasha aka the father of all Turkish pseudo-modernization ?

> But when the North Atlantic Treaty was signed in 1949, Turkey under threat from both traditional enemies Bulgaria to the west and the Russian Soviet colossus to the east and north expressed an interest in joining the anti-Communist alliance.<

A few days before Hitler attacked the USSR Turkey signed a Treaty with Nazi Germany and a hectic Pan-Turkic hysteria followed with 16 Turkish infantry and 18 cavallary divisions concentrated on the Soviet-Turkish border . This army bound huge Russian forces in Transcaucasia and indirectly helped the German thrust . Nazi military ships had a free passage through the straits. Had the Russians not beaten them at Stalingrad Turkey would have attacked Russia with incalculable effects.

Turkey's traditional enemies had century-long experience with Turkish perfidy, genocides, hordes , treachery, shariah. America is only beginning to learn its own painful lesson in this respect.

> There were misgivings among NATO members about the admission of Turkey. Not because of any pan-Turkic ambitions she nurtured--that is totally imaginary<

So what did e.g. the US Air Force Colonel Charles Warren Hostler write in his "seminal" works like "Turkism and the Soviets. The Turks of the world and their objectives", New York 1958 ? Any guesses?

> --but because of fears of provoking the Soviet Union by extending NATO right to its borders in Georgia and Armenia. [The Soviets' concerns were well-founded. Aside from having sent its own stalwart soldiers to confront Communism in Northeast Asia, Turkey would host NATO facilities from the Dardanelles to the slopes of Ararat.] <

When Kemal was without a penny and a gun , the Bolsheviks sent him a mountain of gold and mountains of weapons and equipment of all sorts and Soviet military advisors. It's how he survived in 1921. When the Nazis were approaching Moscow and Stalingrad the Turkish press published new maps showing the frontiers of furture Turkey extending to the highlands of Afghanistan. The same maps appeared after 1991. When Hitler was defeated and the Russians tried to make the Turks accountable for all their crimes, Uncle Sam intervened with his nuclear bombs to allow the new born Turkish anti-communists thrive under his protection.

> In 1952 both Greece AND Turkey became members of the North Atlantic Alliance. There were NATO assets in Greece, too such as the air base at Hellenikon (closed in 1988). The view was that having both countries in NATO would discourage them from fighting each other, which it did in 1964.<

The best way to discourage fighting between Turkey and any other country has always been a Russian friendly government in the country trheatened by the Turks. It is how Christian nations have been saved in Georgia and Armenia and on the Balkans. It was the reason why the Turks never dared even mention any claims to Bulgaria or Armenia although they had many in the same period when a weak American puppet government in Athens allowed a full scale Turkish war of aggression against defenceless Greek Cyprus.

Well, a single extra Russian division on the Armenian Turkish border would have automatically stopped all the Moslem jihad in Cyprus. Instead the whole US Mediterranean 6th Fleet was seeing to it the Turkish aggression and genocide on Cyprus became a success.

> There was a time when Turkish opium, refined to morphine base then shipped to southern France for conversion to Heroin, supplied most addicts in the USA (the notorious "French Connection"). But in an example of an intelligent anti-drug policy combined with international cooperation, all that ended in the seventies.<

"All that ended"... ??? So what did a car accident in 1996 near Susurluk reveal when the internationally wanted drug dealer Abdullah Catli was found dead carrying a diplomatic passport signed by the Turkish minister of the Interior ? ... To refill another of your numerous memory holes , the accident did reveal that Turkey's leading politicians, military officers and intelligence officials worked with drug bosses to move drugs from Afghanistan into Europe. The same is revealed by Sibel Emonds' recent testimony and scandal around it.

Your lies are good but you tend either to overdo them or to hugely underrate the crtitical qualities of your readers .

> Rather than embark on a fruitless eradication effort, such as is happening today in Afghanistan, the USA financed the Turkish government's program of buying up the opium crop at the same price criminal organizations like the Corsican Mafia were offering. It was an unqualified success. Turkish farmers in east Anatolia continue to grow opium but not an ounce of it reaches the streets of any American city.<

Caleb you have been caught lying on so many occasions here that I really appreciate your pereverence in this malpractice. You speak of "an unqualified success" and "not an ounce of it reaches the streets of any American city"... Just like every Turkish lie it sounds good ... on one condition though . Namely that one doesn't know anything else and doesn't feel like consulting and confronting other sources. So let's me again breach the condition for the success of your lies and quote what the CIA Factbook writes on the drug situation in Turkey. Turkey is a

" transit route for Southwest Asian heroin to Western Europe and, to a lesser extent, the US - via air, land, and sea routes; major Turkish and other international trafficking organizations operate out of Istanbul; laboratories to convert imported morphine base into heroin exist in remote regions of Turkey and near Istanbul" .

If you think you can't whitewash and save Turkey with lies , then I'd like to draw your attention that the obvious fact that the effect of your lies is the very opposite to what you expect. With every new lie you help the readers realize better what evil Turkey does stand for . So please, continue !

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