Dogmatically stigmatizing?

Submitted by phonetics (Indonesia), Dec 14, 2006 at 19:58

Dear Agnostic ,

after dogmatically stigmatizing most of the participants of the forum (well, after all, most of you are basically saying the same thing, and isn't it alright nowadays to state something different? or is this forum communist or socialist?)as stereotype-mongers (well perhaps you had better ask Judeo-Christ about that, with his "grass roots" theory of getting every islamic person out of america and basically making their lives a nightmare), you ask :

> do we not learn anything from history?

I wonder what lessons you have learnt from (Islam's) history ? Could give us a few ? well, there is the ottoman empire that's a good lesson, then of course there is the moore dynasty thats a good historical lesson, Imam Al Ghazali, and other mind wizzes that paved the way for grecian and later western philosophy, of course as the prophet Muhammad (pbuh) once said, seek knowledge as far as your mind permits which is why there is an islamic admiral from china who paved the path for sea routes. Then there is Umar Bin Khattab, one of my personal favourites, who banned a governor of a state for evicting a jewish peasant because "the jews hut was all he had"... Then there is Osama Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, Ahmaddinedjad, and others, who are not of the true faith because they are not people who have learnt anything from history. And Jihad was only considered something of a "physical war" after the wahhabist's, and not before because before the Islam was still true and that is why most muslims today are still on search of the Islam that was "before". perhaps you should take a further look around before you claim me as someone who doesn't learn.

> As to the saying :

"as sting once said "the russians love their children too"...

Can you give a historically documented examples of Russians -or their children- as suicide bombers?

You have totally missed the point, but i guess being literal is something that you guys do all the time, what with your interpretations in the Qur'an being "so" literal and prejudice. What sting was talking about is the fact that prejudice will do nothing and seeing behind that is the most important thing, it's not about country, religion or race. Because instinctively inside we are all the same, hence "the russians love their children too". BTW a few decades ago that was not what was thought. The Soviet, cuba, cold war, remember any of those? We could both use a little more learning, couldn't we? Or was vietnam not enough? Perhaps you could bomb another city? I mean Hiroshima and Nagasaki was a long time ago, I'm sure everyone has forgotten. Especially the children and their parents who are still having to bare the brunt of post nuclear radioactivity.

I don't hate America really. But playing judge on the streets and stamping something on people that you think belong in one category are not what the founding fathers of America were dreaming of, nor are they what you dream of now right? fighting terror with more brute force does nothing but increase the terror. Why not educate>? Why not open communication lines? Why not see what the other media's saying on the other side? Wasn't that what Jesus was all about? Wasn't Moses all for compassion? Muhammad is for that too... Could 1.3 billion people be all that lost? if so, then that is a lot to solve. Shouldn't we be starting right away? instead of bickering in this forum?

There's a revolution that happened in the Philippines, it's called the Orange revolution if I'm not mistaken. It downthroned Marcos, and no blood was shed... The people did not retaliate in the face of military force, and all was won.

So tell me Ianus? Why do you personally hate Islam? Did they do something personally to you? What was the Islamics name?

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