Moslem "apologies" or "Can a Moslem apologize for being a Moslem ?"

Submitted by Ianus (Poland), Dec 22, 2006 at 12:23

phonetics :

> seeing as you want quantity over quality... here is your count... don't know if it falls under your "category" of muslim and non muslim... but here it is:

> Open Letter to Pope Benedict XVI by 38 leading muslim scholars and leaders, condemning and apologizing for the misapprehension of the meaning of jihad and for not being able to counter such attacks.

Weren't these the same "scholars" who some time before had condemned and raged against the same pope to whom they have now allegedly apologized , for the latter's basic knowledge of Byzantine history and unveiling Islam's toothless grin to the world? Which of them apologized for Muslim atrocities committed against Byzantium? Which of them quoted the Holy Quran to substantiate his apology ? Without this supreme authority all apology is invalid, as you must know. How many times did Muhammad apologize , by the way? And last not least , it was this cowardly pope that first recanted his correct quote and apologized for being right against Islam. What a renegade! Why didn't the "scholars" apologized before the pontiff showed his abject submission?

> And what is better about it is that they, unlike you, want to establish discussions and open mindedness, thank God for the Pope... Signed and delivered October 12, 2006.

When a Moslem says "discussion" and "open-mindedness" he means quite absolutely different from what a kaffir does. It's a semantic trap , phonetics. We don't have common notions, although we may use common words. "We" means "non-Moslems and Moslems". In other words, you can't serve both Allah's cause and "discuss" with kaffirs who deny your Allah.

> Now...That's international and public...

I am very distruful of things made so glamorously public and internatinal...You learn something and on the face of it it appears so charming and harmful...By Allah, how humane and lofty! ... After some years or so you learn, however , something from the archives and you see it was after all the old wolf wearing another sheep's fur.

> So here's something a bit more regional and perhaps personal...

But still Moslem, I presume.

> My apology to my friend Melanie, who is a jew, after I distanced myself from her for fear of peer pressure (everyone in class sneered at us because we were friends, her a jew me islamic, place: london, time: somewhere around 1988, and perhaps i could tell her to send you my apology letter that she still has seeing as most probably you wont believe me)

I do ! The only question I have is : Did you apologize as a Moslem to her as a Jew or rather you discarded these notions as bigotry and out of place and not to make your Moslem environemnt angry at you again ? (Did you tell your Moslem friends about this apology, by the way ? Din't they intimidate you as usually ? ) For how can a Moslem admit : "My Islam misguided me to distance myself from such a seducing girl as this beauty of a Jewess ?" In this case" It was my friends' Islam that guided me back to the right path. I couldn't convert the Jewess to Islam so I abandoned her. "

> AA Gym (a muslim preacher/ustadz) in Indonesia, apologized and condemned the Bali bombings-2002(Apology extended towards everyone, he didn't have a "category" like you so technically he wasn't saying sorry to non muslims only, since he didn't say it with a prejudice sort of viewpoint)

But in this case the apology was quite ambiguous. He didn't address the kaffir victims of an Islam-inspired atrocity. He didn't mean that to be sure. But the public effect was assured. It had a placebo effect. It didn't help against the disease but it made the patient believe it did.

> An open speech by the Fillipino muslims (non ARMM) for the fighting going on in and outside Mindanao on the "so called" behalf of muslims-sometime last year, Philippines.

And what did they say ? "We join the Christian forces to combat those terrorists?"

> My Bosnian friend (Elvir Birkich-muslim) apologizing to his Physics Olympiad team mate Goran (serbian and christian) for stepping on his foot,

But was it logical? Wasn't it Allah - the all-mighty guider - that made Elvir step on the Serb's foot? In that case how could Elvir logically apologize for what Allah made him do ? Can a Moslem apologize for Allah's deeds and plans ?

> you can find them if you type IPho or Physics Olympiad 2002 in Google and type in Bosnia-herzegovina in the site search. Very good friends.

I believe you. This friendship is based on a benign mistake and useful ignorance.

> but of course you don't want an open discussion, you just want to accuse.

"Open discussion" ? Another semantic trap, phonetics , set against gullible kaffirs? I want clarity. I readily admit that in this case clarity leads to murky conclusions.

> So here is the latest apology by a muslim (if you must) to you (whatever you are):

I am a kaffir, Moslem phonetics :

> I am sorry that you feel that way about Muslims and I am truly sorry for you... It must be hard keeping all that hate inside...

Do you call it "apology" ? Come on , phonetics! Again a semantic trap! It was just compassion (sincere or not). Apology has two meanings and the first is here of interest for us. It is defined as :

" 1. An acknowledgment expressing regret or asking pardon for a fault or offense."

http://www.answers.com/topic/apology

Now do you acknolwedge any regret for what you as Moslem have done ? Do you admit any fault or offense you have done as a Moslem ? Are you ready to admit that your Islam misguided you and was the cause of your sin? Every apology has some consequences besides, phonetic . If you do , then there must be something wrong with your Islam. But can you apologize for being a Moslem ? If you fancy you can , then will Allah ever forgive you?

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