Ahamad: Get off your Islamic high horse

Submitted by Plato (India), Feb 18, 2008 at 07:04

Hello Ahmad, you wrote to Marci:

> >It's kind of interesting how same issue might be viewed entirely in different ways by different people.I see islam under attack daily. I don't see concessions been made!!<<

Ahmad, you don't know your Islam. Just following another religion is an attack on Islam. What concession is Allah offering in 9:29? Is not Allah telling you that He wants his religion to be the conqueror of all religions however averse followers of other religions maybe in verse 61:9?

This is what one of your rightly guided Khalifas did:

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 260: (Bukhari)

Narrated Ikrima:

Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn 'Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "

Isn't this what Muslims nations do to people who reject Islam? You see kafirs and apostates under attack in Muslim countries like Pakistan, Malaysia, Indonesia, Afghanistan, Sudan etc. At the most you can charge kafir countries of verbal attacks on Islam, not physical elimination.

>>The other point is that islam does not make you like a robot but the complete opposite. It makes and encourages you to think about everything.That is what Allah enourages you to do, is to think about his creation.<<

You say that Islam does not make you into a robot. What most characterises a robot? It does not argue back it just takes orders. And what does the Koran tell you? Read:

040.004 YUSUFALI: None can dispute about the Signs of Allah but the Unbelievers. Let not, then, their strutting about through the land deceive thee!

040.035 YUSUFALI: "(Such) as dispute about the Signs of Allah, without any authority that hath reached them, grievous and odious (is such conduct) in the sight of Allah and of the Believers. Thus doth Allah, seal up every heart - of arrogant and obstinate Transgressors."

Here is your Allah telling you not to dispute about his signs and the greatest sign of Allah is the Koran. If you believe the Koran then you have no choice but to believe everything it says and that includes: the sun setting in a muddy pool, sperm emerging from near the backbone, the earth being created before the stars and the rest of the universe, shooting stars being missiles to chase away the devil!!!

In this day and age only robots will believe that kind of nonsense science. Tell us Ahmad what do you think of the nonsense science in the Koran?

>>It is very practical religion in a sense that it does not seperate you from society but makes you more engaged.<<

Islam does not separate you from society?? It does not just separate you from society its separates you from your near and dear ones based on their belief.

058.022 YUSUFALI: Thou wilt not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, loving those who resist Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred. For such He has written Faith in their hearts, and strengthened them with a spirit from Himself. And He will admit them to Gardens beneath which Rivers flow, to dwell therein (for ever). Allah will be well pleased with them, and they with Him. They are the Party of Allah. Truly it is the Party of Allah that will achieve Felicity.

What message does this verse give you Ahmad? Can you deny that Allah is telling you to hate your closest relatives if they resist Allah and His Messenger and for which He will reward you with all the pleasures of His paradise.

And what about: 009.029 YUSUFALI: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

You live among Christians and Jews. Your Allah is telling you to fight them till they submit and pay a humiliation tax. Is this how you will engage more with the society you find yourself in? Please get off your high Islamic horse, Ahmad.

Regards,

Plato

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