Mansoor: All about contradictions, ambiguities and Harun Yahya's Islamic science.

Submitted by Plato (India), Mar 20, 2008 at 01:04

Mansoor, you write to G.Vishwas:

>> You said Quran has contradiction, just identify any!<<

Pikthal 12:1. Alif Lam Ra. These are the verses of the scripture that maketh plain.

This verse says that the Koran is a scripture that is clear. But notice that Allah forgot to tell us what Alif Lam Ra stand for. This verse begins with a contradiction of what it claims.

This is repeated in 26:1-2 Ta. Sin. Mim These are revelations of the scripture that maketh plain.

What is plain about Ta. Sin. Mim??

You want more contradictions Mansoor? Just ask!

>>I am very proud that Muslims have sufficient solid logics ready to oust your baseless claims regarding what you call ontradictions, inconsistencies, ambiguities and even mistakes and idiocies.<<

First tell us what you think of the plain contradiction to the start of Surah Joseph and The Poets I have quoted above.

No ambiguities? Read 3:7 SHAKIR: He it is Who has revealed the Book to you; some of its verses are decisive, they are the basis of the Book, and others are allegorical. ....but none knows its interpretation except Allah, and those who are firmly rooted in knowledge ....

Mansoor read the words in italics carefully. Allah Himself telling you that His verses are ambiguous. He is telling you try as you might you cannot figure out the interpretation of some of the verses of the Koran but does not tell you which those verses are. Ambiguous enough for you Mansoor?

No mistakes in the Koran? Where does the Koran say sperm comes from? From near the backbone. What did Allah give us testicles for?? 86:7-8SHAKIR: He is created of water pouring forth, Coming from between the back and the ribs.

No idiocy in the Koran? Where does the Koran say the sun sets? In a muddy pool. 18:86 SHAKIR: Until when he reached the place where the sun set, he found it going down into a black sea, and found by it a people....

The sun never sets, least of all in any sea. The earth's motion gives the impression of a setting sun.

>> I am not surprised you calling yourself open minded when you yourself following a religion which is full of idiotic fantasies. Calling names to divine revelation .............examples because idiotic reality of your own faith is so easily proven in minutes.<<

What you have written above is just a diatribe and so best left unanswered.

>> Quran is final and divine revelation so scientifically and mathematically proven.

http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_index.html

I must say you should consider reading the above link with full sincerity. Your claims as mentioned above would immediately vanish. I claim, and I repeat I claim that no other religious book can be so accurate as Quran is.<<

I had a quick look at the link you have provided. It is Harun Yahya's site. It is known to be full of oddball science. I had a look at what he has to say about the atmosphere. Here it is:

"One fact about the universe revealed in the verses of the Qur'an is that the sky is made up of seven layers:

It is He Who created everything .....(Qur'an, 2:29)

Then He turned to heaven when it was smoke. In two days He determined them as seven heavens and revealed, in every heaven, its own mandate. (Qur'an, 41:11-12)

The word "heavens," which appears in many verses in the Qur'an, is used to refer to the sky above the Earth, as well as the entire universe. Given this meaning of the word, it is seen that the Earth's sky, or the atmosphere, is made up of seven layers."

Harun Yahya has made a clever attempt to use seven heavens for both the atmosphere and the heavens forgetting that by saying the sky above the earth he has to include whatever we see from earth and that includes the stars, moon and sun.

This modern Muslim cosmologist/metereologist seems to have forgotten there are other verses in the Koran that say the stars are in the lower heavens and the moon among the heavens.

37:6 SHAKIR: Surely We have adorned the nearest heaven with an adornment, the stars,

I wish Harun Yahya was right, then I would be able to reach out and touch the stars by going up in a hot air balloon, everyone's dream come true!

From his diagram of the heavens the seventh heaven is about 500 kilometres away from us and the nearest heaven about 15 kilometres from the ground we stand on. LOL Harun Yahya is saying that stars are just 15 kilometres above us. Humans have sent space ships millions of kilometres beyond Allah's seventh heaven.

Mansoor do you now see why Islamic science is floundering in the seventh century. You expect Muslims to make progress if they get impressed by and believe in beautifully designed websites selling pseudo-science? I have not examined his other science in the Koran pages, but if his claim about the seven heavens is anything to go by I expect readers of this forum can have a blast reading them.

So much for your 'accurate' Koran.

>>For me your allegations of calling names to me and declaring me a typical islamofascist has no importance. I personally believe in delivering true message of Islam.<<

I grant that you are not an Islamofascist. But what pray, is the true message of Islam. You have delivered a second hand message supposedly contained in the Koran as interpreted by Harun Yahya that the stars are just a balloon ride away. This is patently wrong and even Ptolemy who lived much before the prophet would have had a good laugh at this science in the Koran.

>>Unfortunate people like you who claim sanity and cannot understand the "Hikmat" i.e the hidden logic in the verses of Quran are only made for hell.<<

Mansoor, this is really cool. The logic of the Koran's verses is hidden. Is that why the Koran can get away with idiotic claims that sperm comes from somewhere near the ribs. There is a hidden logic in Allah claiming this when everyone knows this is wrong. There is also hidden logic in Allah's claim that the sun sets in a black sea. There is hidden logic in Allah saying that the sun and moon are in a race across the sky. Not understanding the 'hikmat'of Allah is a symtom of insanity. Mansoor, you should inform the medical schools of this discovery of yours.

>>I hope you would understand the gift of Allah "The Holy Quran" with true spirit, your life will be changed and your vision will be focussed and you will be identify yourself and your Lord in true meanings.<<

You claim the Koranic verses have hidden logic. But, my dear Mansoor, the Koran itself claims it is a clear book and easy to understand. Why are you now saying it contains hidden logic. If Allah has Himself hidden His logic how will I or you ever understand what the Koran is trying to say? I hope this infidel logic makes sense to you. There is nothing hidden in our logic.

Regards

Plato

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