Combined reply for all your refutations

Submitted by Shaji (United Arab Emirates), May 28, 2009 at 06:12

Dear Dhimmi,

I am too much busy with office works. I am trying hard to find time to write to you. You will find delay in my replies due to inconvenience.

I will try to answer your queries, Insha Allah.

1. Your masters the Arabs tell us that this life is all about al-qada' wa al-qadr or pre-destination. Right?

Arabs are not my masters. They are my colleagues. It includes people from various nationalities also. Life is Qada-Qadr or pre-destined is for us human beings who are able to explain things within the limits of time and space. Our Creator is beyond any such limits. You find problem when you try to percept Allah's decision with yours.

2. This means that if I'm a proud infidel (after all your Arabian Allah says that he guides whom ever he wants to guide) then it is Allah that made me to be an infidel right? now how can we get in touch with your Allah so he can change his mind oh and I will do the talking after all Allah does speak Urdu

Allah is not Arabian God. It is an Arabic term to describe the Universal God. Allah didn't make you infidel, it is your own choice to follow which path. I am not an Arabic speaker. I am a Malayali, resident of Kerala, a tiny state in India.

I can only pray for you. May Allah helps you to understand and follow the truth (Ameen).

3. Then your little islamic da3wa is against your Allah's grand plans. Now do you get it?

My Dawah is not against Allah's plan. It is a religious duty. I already wrote to you that. Remember – the past, present and future is applicable for us, not for Allah, as HE beyond these limits. So no point in inculcating Allah's plan. Read what Allah said in Qur'an 16:125 - "Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance."

HE has given you the freedom to select right from wrong.

Really? then how about al-qada' wa al-qadr? and why would he guide some but not all? Let me guess so Muslims can attack us infidels and Allah would get as per Q8:41 1/5 of the loot right?

Yes, he has given you and all human beings to select right from wrong. Allah guides if you are a real truth-seeker. Muslims are not attacking infidels. Unfortunately some are responding due to their distress from oppression. Muslims do not loot; each of such misinterpreted incidents must be dealt with context. 1/5^th from spoils of war is used to exalt the Word of Allah and Allah doesn't want any war booties. No Muslim has attacked any infidel just because they are infidel. Without proper reason nothing of that kind happened. No Muslim has understood that verse as you conceived. Your allegation simply doesn't hold any worth.

Nobody is Muslim because he born in Muslim family and follow principles against Islam.

But your masters the Arabs tell us that this all babies are born Muslim! remember? are you making things up as you go our dear Shaji?

Again Arabs are not my masters. They also group of human beings and no one is permanently a master over anybody. Allah says all are born as Muslims. Later on, depending on surroundings and situations take them away from the innate religion of nature. The Prophet Muhammad said, "No babe is born but upon Fitra (as a Muslim). It is his parents who make him a Jew or a Christian or a Polytheist." (Sahih Muslim, Book 033, Number 6426)

It is with Allah the decision for whom not get chance to receive this guidance. I am not making things myself.

When the person willfully chooses this ideology and submits his will to ONE and ONLY GOD, then only he becomes Muslim. So the CHOICE is yours……

That is not what your masters the Arabs say and how come you did not know that?

Arabs are not the masters. Not all Arabs are Muslims. You must not quote from Arabs. Islam is explained in Qur'an and Sunnah. Try to quote from that. They are the sources, and Arabs are happened to be among the first addressed.

we need to understand one focal point, which is that Allah Almighty's knowledge covers everything. It is not subject to change because it is not limited by the boundaries of time. This means that when Allah Almighty reveals something in the Qur'an and later on gives a fresh command that adjusts the old one or cancels it, He surely knows already that He is going to reveal something to adjust the old command or cancel it. In other words, the new command is not new to Him; it is new to us because we have no access to His knowledge and we are bound by time limitations.

Really? then why would Allah not get it right the first time? and what does he have in his little al-lawh al-mahfooz? the doctrine if abrogation is no more than a bad joke

Allah is right in all aspects. It is for us to have problem in bearing some commands depends on our mental and physical limitations. Actually the primary audience to whom Qur'an was revealed requires a gradual transformation in some commands for them able to obey and follow. They were utterly immersed in darkness. Qur'an made tremendous changes in that society. You will understand that only when you try to learn.

If I know what it has in al-lawh al-mahfooz, why should I sit with you….??. Also, if you don't know what is in al-lawh al-mahfooz, how you can say abrogation is a bad joke….??. You take your ignorance for granted to blabber…..

Do you need proof from Bible……??.

Oh is this the proof that Muhammad's name was mentioned in the Bible? right? Oh I have been waiting for this one with great anticipation

Then our dear Shaji is quoting the "corrupted" (sic) Bible to prove his point. Go figure

In the Bible we can find the following four passages wherein Jesus (peace be upon him) predicts a great event:

But wiat our dear Shaji al-tablighee: ina al-ijiil wa al-tawra wa al-zabur kutubun muharafa right? Oh the Arabic? no I do not translate arabic for wannabe arabs like you. So why do you quote a kitab muharraf to prove a point? You tell us ya ayuha al-falyasoof al-kabeer!

First of all, you should understand what Quran's stand towards previous scriptures. In 2:79, Qur'aan says, "Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:"This is from Allah," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby". So Muslims believe Allah's words are still there in present Bible but also human's words as interpolation. Therefore, Muslims can very well quote from Bible wherever it confirms with Qur'an and disagree with what not in accordance with Qur'an. Also, the sentence you mentioned ": ina al-ijiil wa al-tawra wa al-zabur kutubun muharafa" is not there in Qur'an. Qur'an 5:13 says - But because of their breach of their covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard; they change the words from their (right) places and forget a good part of the message that was sent them, nor wilt thou cease to find them- barring a few - ever bent on (new) deceits: but forgive them, and overlook (their misdeeds): for ALLAH loveth those who are kind".

Qur'aan 5:14 says, "From those, too, who call themselves Christians, We did take a covenant, but they forgot a good part of the message that was sent them: so we estranged them, with enmity and hatred between the one and the other, to the day of judgment. And soon will ALLAH show them what it is they have done".

So, Quran's stands towards Jews and Christians are different as mentioned in 5:13 and 14.

Again I remind you, I am not an Arab. You can write to me in plain English rather than using Arabic transliteration.

So our dear Shaji seems to disagree with his Allah as our dear Shaji is using the Bible to prove a point which means that he disagrees with his Allah that the Bible is corrupted. So do you disagree with your Allah that the Bible was not corrupted our dear Shaji? Oh there will be no more 72 virgins or boys of heaven for our dear Shaji

See what happens when your command of basic logic is flawed?

The corruption what Qur'an meant is already explained above. Try to understand that. Yes, if I am steadfast in Islam and die as true Muslim, I will surely find place in heaven. Qur'an says in 4:124 – "If any do deeds of righteousness,- be they male or female - and have faith, they will enter Heaven, and not the least injustice will be done to them".

No basic logic is flawed here if you correct your understandings.

The word "comforter" is translated from the word "Paraclete" ("Ho Parakletos" in Greek). Parakletos in Greek is interpreted as "an advocate", one who pleads the cause of another, one who councils or advises another from deep concern for the other's welfare (Beacon Bible commentary volume VII, p.168).

ROTFL you do not know any Arabic and now you pretend to know Greek? Really?

I didn't interpret myself. You try to see translations available on the net and see lexicon. See Strong's G3875 – paraklētos. One doesn't have to study Arabic or Greek to know such things. Just look at the meaning in online dictionaries.

Oh more quotes from corrupted books to prove a point.

See, Muslims use Bible to convince Christians as they follow Bible. Christians claim they have the Injeel what Qur'an says and they disbelieve Qur'an. The corruption doesn't mean each and every single word in Injeel, is changed. It is once again problem in your understanding. What is Islam's stand is already mentioned above.

So the summary here is our dear Shaji is telling us that based on the corrupted (sic) Bible then the Biblical parakeltes must be Muhammad and now i have the following questions to pose to our dear Shaji:

1. You agree with me that Muhammad's name was Qutham and his kunya was Abul Qasim right? So where would i find that in the Bible? You will not find it.

If a person has other names, does it mean the popular name become obsolete…??. Is it needed to mention all the names in Bible to accept a belief…??.

2. Assuming that the word parakeletos refers to a Muhammad/Ahmad then how can you be sure that this is indeed Abul Qasim whose name is Qutham? you cannot

The whole world knows Prophet (peace be upon him) by the name "Muhammad". Qasim was the son of Prophet (peace be upon him) who died early in his childhood. It's a name he had been called later, as father of Qasim (Abul Qasim). How this name could be referred to his real name…??.

3. How do you know that Muhammad the Arabian warlord and caravan raider and child molester heard about this little gem in the corrupted (sic) Bible and decided to change his name and in this case you are reversing cause for effect ya ayuha al-falyasoof al-kabeer! Do you get it?

Your usage as warlord, caravan raider and child molester all were explained in my original posting against allegations made by Craig winn. I don't want to repeat the whole issue. It's all deliberate attempts to malign the great leader, Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him).

No, I did not get your usage, "ya ayuha al-falyasoof al-kabeer". It is better you give translation than transliteration.

4. The Bible is a corrupted book. Right? So how can you be sure that the parakeltos was no more than Biblical corruption? Let me help you: you cannot which is the final nail in the coffin of your little gobbledygook little fable

Muslims believe Bible contains God's verses but also humans. Wherever it matches with Qur'an, Muslims are asked to believe. Muslims find evidence of parakletos from Bible based on Qur'anic verse 61:6 which says – "And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: "O Children of Israel! I am the apostle of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me, and giving Glad Tidings of an Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad." But when he came to them with Clear Signs, they said, "this is evident sorcery!"

Qur'an is not gobbledygook fable. Read it once with an open heart. If your intention is good, Allah will surely guide you towards truth.

5. Are you aware that in Syriac sources prior to the rise of islam Jesus was called MHMD and do you know what this means? It means that Jesus is the parakeltos too

You say Jesus is parakletos too. Ok, then read the following verse from Bible.

John 16:7-14 "Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because they believe not on me; Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew [it] unto you."

Read the bold and underlined sentence. That means, if Jesus go away, then only Comforter will come. Then how Jesus becomes the parakletos……??.

6. Oh I DNM changed my name to Muhammad do you think that I'm really the comforter in the Bible? And Allah spoke to me too via an angel and I have a book for you and if you can believe Muhammad aka Ahmad aka Qutham aka Abul Qasim then you must believe me

If you change your name to Muhammad, you cannot become comforter. This comforter has certain qualities. Read it once again from above verse (John 16:7-14). Where is your book….??. Also read Hadith from Tirmidhi saying, The Prophet of Allah (peace be upon him) affirmed: "The chain of Messengers and Prophets has come to an end. There shall be no Messenger nor Prophet after me." (Sunan Al Tirmidhi, Kitab: ur-Rouya Bab: Zahab-un- Nubuwwa, Hadith No.2198).

Again another Hadith – Prophet (peace be upon him) said – "My position in relation to the Prophets who came before me, can be explained by the following example: A man erected a building and adorned this edifice with great beauty, but he left an empty niche, in the corner where just one brick was missing. People looked around the building and marveled at its beauty, but wondered why a brick was missing from that niche? I am like unto that one missing brick and I am the last in the line of the Prophets. (Bukhari, Muslim, Tirmidhi, Musnad Ahmed, Abu Dawood)

7. And here is your bonus for today: why did Allah allow al-yahood wa al-nasarra to corrupt the Bible after all he says in the Qur'an that no one can change his word? could it be because there is no Allah? or could it be because Allah is not omniopent? So which one is it?

See what happens when you post drivel?

Answer is there in Qur'an 2:79 - "Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:" This is from ALLAH," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby". This is how Qur'an says about corruption and interpolation is what Christians done.

About Allah, it seems you have wrong concept. It is well described in Chapter 112 of Qur'an - Verses 1-4 – "Say: "He is ALLAH, the One and Only. ALLAH is Independent of all and all are dependent on Him. Neither has He an offspring nor is He the offspring of anyone. And none is equal with Him in rank."

The Arabic word "jihad" means struggling or striving and applies to any effort exerted by anyone.

You said - No it does not. It means holy war and for this see Malik's "Kitab al-Jihad" and see Qamoos Lisan al-3Arab

Jihad includes war also but against an unjust regime. But essentially it means Muslims to "struggle in the way of God" or "to struggle to improve one's self and/or society. Jihad with sword is not applicable in a peaceful society or the society which allows religious freedom. By quoting Malik's Kitab-al-Jihad and Qamoos Lisan al Arab, you didn't mention what exactly was said in it.

In this sense, a student struggles and strives to get an education and pass course work; an employee strives to fulfill his/her job and maintain good relations with his/her employer; etc all come under Jihad. In the West, "jihad" is generally translated as "holy war," a usage the media has popularized. According to Islamic teachings, it is unholy to instigate or start war; however, some wars are inevitable and justifiable. For Muslims the term Jihad is applied to all forms of striving and has developed some special meanings over time. In conclusion, jihad in Islam is striving in the way of ALLAH by pen, tongue, hand, media and, if inevitable, with arms. However, jihad in Islam does not include striving for individual or national power, dominance, glory, wealth, prestige or pride.

Really? then where is your evidence? The following will be accepted as evidence:

Qamoos Lisan al-3Arab and indicate the Juz' wa al-safha

The following will not be accepted as evidence:

1. My Mullah told me so

2. Tendentious Pakistani web sites

3. I Shaji say so

4. wikipedia

My evidences –

The root of the word "jihad" is "juhd" which means "effort." I am not taking support of Mullah, Pakistani websites, or my own interpretation, or wikipedia. Read Jihad's description from http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/reference/glossary/term.JIHAD.html

Do you want proof from Qur'an?. Read 25:52 - "O Prophet, do not yield to the disbelievers, but wage a Jihad against them with this Qur'aan".

Qur'an is not a sword but it itself asking to do Jihad with that. That is nothing but conveying the message of Qur'an.

Again, The Qur'an uses the verb of "jihad" in its generic meaning of "exerting the best efforts against something" in the following verse: 29:8 says - And We have enjoined on man goodness to parents, but if they jahadaka (do jihad against you) to make you associate [a god] with Me, of which you have no knowledge [being a god], do not obey them. To Me is your return [O people!], so I shall inform you of your past deeds.

So this Jihad is to oneself not to obey those enjoin partners for God.

Again, When one person or group transgresses their limits and violates the rights of others, Muslims have the right and the duty to "check" them and bring them back into line. There are several verses of the Qur'an that describe jihad in this manner. One example: 2:251 says - "And did not Allah check one set of people by means of another, the earth would indeed be full of mischief; but Allah is full of Bounty to all the worlds"

Islam never tolerates unprovoked aggression from its own side; Muslims are commanded in the Qur'an not to begin hostilities, embark on any act of aggression, violate the rights of others, or harm the innocent. Even hurting or destroying animals or trees is forbidden. War is waged only to defend the religious community against oppression and persecution, because the Qur'an says that "persecution is worse than slaughter" and "let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression" (2:190-193). So if non-Muslims are peaceful to Islam, there is no justified reason to declare war on them.

The Qur'an describes those people who are permitted to fight: in 22:40 - "They are those who have been expelled from their homes in defiance of right, for no cause except that they say, 'Our Lord is Allah.' Did not Allah check one set of people by means of another, there would surely have been pulled down monasteries, churches,
synagogues, and mosques, in which the name of God is commemorated in abundant measure..."

Note that the verse specifically commands the protection of all houses of worship. Finally, the Qur'an also says, "Let there be no compulsion in religion" (2:256). Forcing someone at the point of a sword to choose death or Islam is an idea that is foreign to Islam in spirit and in historical practice. There is absolutely no question of waging a "holy war" to "spread the faith" and compel people to embrace Islam; that would be an unholy war and the people's forced conversions would not be sincere.

And i will be waiting for your answer with great anticiaption and here is your open book examination for today: Could you translate from transliterated Arabic to English the following words:

1. Jihad

2. Mujahid

2. Ijtihad

4. Mujtahid

5. Juhd

6. Majhood

And no your Mullah will not be able to help you with the above and now you either and you must pardon me either put up or oh well you know the rest

Jihad – I already explained above.

Mujahid – One who does Jihad

Ijtihad – explained in http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/reference/glossary/term.IJTIHAD.html

That is, Exerting the sum total of one's ability attempting to uncover Allah's rulings on issues from their sources (Qur'an, Sunnah, Ijma', etc.). Sometimes divided into complete ijtihad (the ability of one to independently arrive at Allah's rulings in all areas of fiqh) and partial ijtihad (the ability of one to do so only in certain areas of fiqh in which they have exerted such efforts).

Mujtahid - Person who does Ijtihad.

Juhd – essentially means effort (I already mentioned above).

Majhood – one who makes Juhd.

So you tell us ya ayuha al-falysoof al-kabeer what does puberty or lack of it has to do with the fact that Abul Qasim the Arabian warlord and caravan raider married a 9 year old girl when he was 53 years old?

I already explained this here. Aishah (may Allah be pleased with her) was around the age of puberty when she married. Usually Christians criticize the Prophet's marriage to her on the grounds that she was too young. When the ignorant Christians condemn Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) for marrying a young girl fifty years younger than him, they are actually attacking the Prophets in their Bible as well. Do they not recall the story of Prophet Abraham (peace be upon him) who, according to the Bible, slept with Hagar (peace be upon her) who was sixty or seventy younger than him? If the Christians have an issue with Prophet Muhammad being in his fifties, do they not say anything when Prophet Abraham was in his eighties? We read: Sarai his wife took her Egyptian maidservant Hagar and gave her to her husband to be his wife. He (Abram) slept with Hagar, and she conceived…So Hagar bore Abram a son, and Abram gave the name Ishmael to the son she had borne. Abram was eighty-six years old when Hagar bore him Ishmael. (Genesis, Chapter 16, verses 1–4, 15–16, NIV)

Again, Isaac: According to the Judeo-Christian tradition, Prophet Isaac (peace be upon him) was forty years old when he married Rebecca (Rivka) who was only three years old at the time! And it should be remembered that Prophet Isaac is considered by the Jews to be one of the most important of Prophets, and Rebecca is one of the four matriarchs of the Jews. What is interesting to note is that just like there are some defeatists Muslims who deny that Aishah was nine years old when she was married, there are also some defeatists Jews who deny that Rebecca was three years old when she was married. We refer the reader to the following defeatist website made by contemporary Jews who seek to deny what their classical scholars say on the matter: http://www.jewishlegends.com/displayExp.php?rumor=122

In this article, the Jewish writers admit that they are taught in Jewish schools that Rebecca was three years old when she was married: We all came home from school saying that Rivka was three years old when she got married, and most of us had a hard time believing it. Our teachers explained that people in those days matured faster, so 3 years old then was not what 3 years old is now. What they did not tell us (probably because they did not know), is that there is another opinion that says that she was 14.

(JewishLegends.com, http://www.jewishlegends.com/displayExp.php?rumor=122)

Jesus: And if the Christians wish to stick a spear in our hearts by attacking Prophet Muhammad, then what of Prophet Jesus' mother Mary (peace be upon her) who was only twelve years old when she was betrothed to the ninety year old Saint Joseph?

The Catholic Encyclopedia says: The priests announced through Judea that they wished to find in the tribe of Juda a respectable man to espouse Mary, then twelve to fourteen years of age. Joseph, who was at the time ninety years old, went up to Jerusalem among the candidates.

(Catholic Encyclopedia, http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08504a.htm)

Age of Marriage Under Hindu Law - Due to the situation in Kashmir, many Hindus harbor ill will towards Muslims. As a consequence, some of them attack Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) by accusing him of being a pedophile. Yet, a quick look at the Hindu religious texts is enough to refute them. In the Hindu religious scripture known as the Manu-smriti, we read:

Gautama (18-21).— A girl should be given in marriage before puberty.

Vashistha (17.70).— Out of fear of the appearance of the menses, let the father marry his daughter while she still runs about naked. For if she stays in the home after the age of puberty, sin falls on the father.

Bodhayana (4.1.11).— Let him give his daughter, while she still goes about naked, to a man who has not broken the vow of chastity and who possesses good qualities, or even to one destitute of good qualities ; let him not keep the maiden in his house after she has reached the age of puberty.

(Manu IX, 88; http://www.payer.de/dharmashastra/dharmash083.htm)

There is a range, and this has been part of the problem of establishing the "normal" age of puberty. Girls might enter full-blown puberty anytime between ages 9 and 15.

(LiveScience.com, http://www.livescience.com/health/070904_bad_puberty.html)

So, girls will go through "full-blown puberty" at various ages, anywhere from between nine and fifteen years of age.

Puberty usually starts between ages 8 to 13 in girls (HealthTouch.com, http://www.healthtouch.com/bin/EContent_HT/cnoteShowLfts.asp?fname=07103

&title=PUBERTY+IN+GIRLS+&cid=HTHLTH)

Even if we look simply at menarche, we can see that the age varies greatly. A medical journal on Cambridge.org says: The variable age at menarche was normally distributed with an age range of 7–24 years.

(Cambridge.org, journals.cambridge.org/production/action/cjoGetFulltext?fulltextid=10260

Don't be surprised if your nine-year-old daughter will have her menarche that early.

(HerWord.com, http://www.herword.com/healthdesk/others/changes10.28.03.html)

Many factors have been reported to affect age at menarche and/or the regularity of menstruation—[such as] climate, altitude, race, height, weight, hereditary, stress/psychological factors, light, and nutrition.

(Women and Health Psychology, http://books.google.com/books?id=pK9RGVrvQAEC&pg=PA74&lpg=PA74&dq =menarche+climate&source=web&ots=ILfZwgFzEO&sig=8ZZxn7Dvhzm2HH3

cQTBh9_K-mss#PPP1,M1)

The average temperature of the country or province is considered the chief factor here, not only with regard to menstruation but as regards the whole of sexual development at puberty.

(Herman H. Ploss, Max Bartels and Paul Bartels; Woman: An Historical, Gynecological, and Anthropological Compendium, Volume I, Lord & Bransby, 1988, p.563; http://www.biblioz.com/lp25762280577_207.html)

Albrecht von Haller (1775), for example, claimed that girls in the southerly regions of Asia, where the climate was warm, were marriageable in their eighth year and gave birth in their ninth or tenth year; conversely, women in Arctic regions did not menstruate until age 23 or 24. This view was shared by other eighteenth-century writers, most notably J.F. Freind (1738), Herman Boerhaave (1744), and Montesquieu (1751).

(The Cambridge World History of Food, p.1455, http://books.google.com/books?id=tAnsCn0A3rcC&pg=PA1455&lpg=PA1455&

dq=average+age+of+puberty+climate&source=web&ots=MQwdFaB1iY&sig=G64

wJ-pPjE3b0hrx8KYYNRKTuVxE#PPA1454,M1)

Age of Puberty in Ancient Arabia - Imam al-Shafi'i said in Siyar A'lam al-Nubala' (Vol.10, p.91): During my stay in Yemen, I have come across girls at the age of nine whom menstruated…

Imam al-Bayhaqi also narrated the words of Imam Shafi'i in Sunan al-Bayhaqi al-Kubra (Vol.1, p.319): I have seen in the city of Sana'a a grandmother while she was twenty-one. She menstruated at the age of nine and gave birth at the age of ten.

Age of Marriage Under Islamic Law - Islamic Law (Shari'ah) allows for a marriage contract (nikah) to be drafted years before the marriage itself is actually enacted. In other words, the marriage contract is drawn up, but the contract is not executed until a later date. So even though the marriage contract can be drafted, the girl will not be "handed over" to the husband until many years afterwards. In other words, a father can marry his immature daughter off to a man before she comes of age, but the husband may not consummate the marriage until after she attains maturity.

Under Islamic Law, there is certain shuroot an-nifaadh (conditions required for the execution of the contract): for consummation of marriage, one of these conditions is that both parties are mature enough for marriage. If this condition is not met, then the marriage contract remains mauqoof (suspended) and has no actual practical effect, i.e. the consummation of marriage is delayed until the girl becomes mature enough for that. In the example of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and Aishah (peace be upon her), the marriage contract was signed when she was immature, but only took effect until after she attained maturity. This is why Aishah (peace be upon her) remained in her father's house for three years after the marriage contract was drafted.

There is a very strong proof we can use to show that Aishah (peace be upon her) had reached physical maturity before she moved into the Prophet's house, and this is Aishah's own statement in which she said: When the girl reaches nine years of age, she is a woman.

(Sunan al-Tirmidhi, Kitab al-Nikah)

From this, we can see that Aishah (peace be upon her) had the body of a woman when she consummated her marriage with the Prophet (peace be upon him). She was mature, and not immature, as the Islamaphobes claim.

The Islamaphobes claim that the Prophet's marriage to Aishah (peace be upon her) was a proof of his child abuse.

What abuse, if they cannot cite a shred of evidence that indicates that Aishah was harmed from her marriage? Far from it! Aishah (peace be upon her) would boast about how she of all his wives was the youngest of his wives to be married to him; this was a source of great pride for her. So the image that the Islamaphobes wish to portray—about a young girl being forced off into marriage—is highly inaccurate; in fact, Aishah was so pleased about her early marriage that she used to boast about it. The marriage may seem odd by today's standards, but it was nothing unusual 1,000 years ago.

Pedophilia is diagnosed when an elderly man is involved with a pre-pubescent child. Yet, Aishah (peace be upon her) moved into the Prophet's house after she attained the age of puberty. The English definition of puberty is sexual maturity, and Islamic scholars are agreed that this is a precondition for marriage. This was the very reason that Aishah waited three to four years after betrothal before she moved into her husband's house. Therefore, we see that the Prophet (peace be upon him) was not at all a pedophile, even by today's standards.

Sir William Muir writes about Prophet Muhammad's marriage to Aishah: He [Muhammad] contracted a second marriage with Ayesha, the young daughter of Abu Bakr—a connection mainly designed to cement the attachment with his bosom-friend [Abu Bakr]. (Sir William Muir's The Life of Mahomet, p.208, http://books.google.com/books?id=XzwBAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA208&lpg=PA208

&dq=about+the+same+time+he+contracted+a+second+marriage+with+ayesha&s ource=web&ots=QgqQzqreSW&sig=lYk2ltyFEtGiR2lFIz0HCFMzTL8)

Rev. W. Montgomery Watt states: Since Muhammad had a political aim in nearly all his marriages, he must have seen in this one a means of strengthening the ties between himself and Abu Bakr, his chief follower.

(Quoted in Encyclopedia of Islam)

The Islamaphobes claim that the Prophet (peace be upon him) was a pedophile; if this were the case, then is it merely a coincidence that the only young girl he married just happened to be the daughter of the nobleman Abu Bakr, his immediate successor? If the Prophet (peace be upon him) had some pedophilic desire, then why was the marriage contracted three to four years before Aishah (peace be upon her) moved into her husband's house? If Prophet Muhammad was a pedophile, then it would not make sense why he would wait until Aishah passed through the age of puberty. Furthermore, Prophet Muhammad had no reason to wait at all; he could simply have married another young girl whom wouldn't make him wait three to four years at all. Why didn't he? The answer is obvious: the marriage was political, and it was merely happenstance that Abu Bakr's only daughter was young at the time. The political need to cement family ties was so great that the betrothal was done years before the actual marriage. The fact that the marriage contract was rushed three to four years before the contract was executed shows that there was an urgent political need that this marriage fulfilled.

For many noble-born or royal women [of Europe], marriage could and often did take place at a young age. There are many instances or very young girls being betrothed and married under the age of 10 years old.

(Women of History, http://womenofhistory.blogspot.com/2007/08/medievalmarriage-

childbirth.html)

Not a single person at the time—neither Muslim, Jew, Christian, pagan, friend or enemy—took issue with the Prophet's marriage to Aishah. Had marrying Aishah at such a young age been considered inappropriate at that time, then the Quraish infidels would have used this polemic against him. It is known that the Quraish idolaters at the time left no stone unturned in their insults against Prophet Muhammad: they used to criticize each and every one of his actions, whenever and wherever they could. Yet, the Quraish never once mentioned his marriage to Aishah. And why should they when it was the cultural norm? There are countless examples of young brides in those days, such as Umm Kulthoom bint Ali, Fatima bint al-Mundhir, Bint 'Izz al-Dawla Bakhtyar, and many others! This was more than just a regional and cultural norm, but rather it was the normative practice of humanity before the industrial era.

Interestingly, the Christian missionaries during the Middle Ages never used this polemic against the Prophet. We find that they would oftentimes accuse Prophet Muhammad of being a polygamist but never did they refer to him as a pedophile or anything of that sort.

It was only in the post-industrial era that the Christians began slandering the Prophet for his marriage to Aishah, forgetting the reality that their own Christian history is full of their prophets, kings, nobles, and saints who would marry young brides of the same age as Aishah. Therefore, we find that the post-modern man attacking ancient civilizations for something that is a result of necessity is nothing short of unsophisticated idiocy and oafish buffoonery. Early marriage was a necessity in order to maximize the years of childbearing so as to counter incredibly high infant mortality rates.

Those who slander our Prophet are nothing short of hypocrites and ignorant simpletons who will be punished in the deepest abyss of Hellfire along with all those who used to attack God's Prophets.

Regarding Prophet's (peace be upon him) marriage with Aishah (may Allah be pleased with her), I tried to clarify with culture in Semitic traditions,

No you are no expert on neither semitic cultures nor semitic languages abd you ain't no expert on old Greek either and you need to stick to your own language Urdu that is

See Dhimmi, one doesn't have to be expert in semitic cultures to know semitic language. My native language is Malayalam (a language spoken by Keralites in India). There are many sources available in net to clear our doubts in many languages. I agree I am not an expert in Greek or even Urdu.

wisdom behind that marriage and with age factor in small detail. It seems you are not convinced and you don't want to ponder over the traditions.

What traditions? a dirty old man and wannabe prophet who is 53 years old with 23 wives and concubines having sex with a 9 year old girl? It is bad back then and it is also bad and even criminal now and oh was she a Tanner 4? Oh Tanner 4? you need to ask your Mullah to tell you what it means which I doubt very much

See your language in calling our dear Prophet (peace be upon him). Regarding the concubines and wives, you must realize the situation of that time and I already explained the rest earlier. I will repeat here for your convenience.

Islam treated female slaves more kindly in their enslavement than other cultures did. Their honour was not considered to be permissible to anyone by way of prostitution, which was the fate of female prisoners of war in most cases. Allah has permitted intimacy with a slave woman if the man owns her. This is not regarded as adultery. It should be noted that prostitution never occurred to the companions of Prophet (may Allah be pleased with them). What they were asking about was the ruling on practicing coitus interruptus with the slave women whom they had acquired in the course of jihad. This was done by the Prophets. Ibrahim (peace be upon him) took Hajar as a concubine and she bore him Ismael (peace be upon him).

When Islam was revealed to Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), slavery was a worldwide common social phenomenon; it was much older than Islam. Slavery was deeply rooted in every society to the extent that it was impossible to imagine a civilized society without slaves. In spite of this social fact, Islam was the first religion to recognize slavery as a social illness that needed to be addressed. Since slavery was deeply rooted in the society, Islam did not abolish it at once. Rather, Islam followed the same methodology of gradual elimination in dealing with this social disease as it did with other social illnesses, for example: the prohibition of alcohol in three steps.

It was a war custom in the past to take men and women as captives and then turn them into slaves. Islam did not initiate it; rather, it was something in practice long ago before the advent of Islam. And when Islam came, it tried to eradicate this practice, bit by bit. So it first restricted it to the reciprocal practice of war, in the sense that Muslims took war captives just as the enemies did with Muslims. But as it aimed at putting an end to such issue, Islam laid down rules which would eventually lead to eradicating the practice. So it allowed Muslims to have intercourse with slave women taken as captives of just and legitimate wars. In so doing, the woman would automatically become free if she got pregnant. What's more, her child would also become free. Not only that, Islam also ordered a Muslim to treat the slave woman in every respect as if she were his wife. She should be well fed, clothed and given due protection. In the family environment, she had the opportunity to learn about Islam and was free to accept it or reject it. She also had the opportunity to earn her freedom for she could be ransomed.

In the light of the above-mentioned facts, and the nature of the question posed by people, it's clear that some people misunderstand the wisdom behind the permissibility of having female slaves and think that it is meant to unleash men's desires and give them more enjoyment. Never! It is, rather, means of freeing slaves; and this is clarified above in the fact that if a master got a female slave pregnant, then he could neither sell her nor give her away as a present. And if he died, she would not be considered part of his property. She'd receive her freedom and her baby would also be free. But, we have to stress that this case should not be confused with that of female servants or maids, for they are free and not slaves. Therefore, it is forbidden to engage in sexual relations with them except through an Islamic marriage. Slavery has been abolished by international conventions, and goes in line with aims and objectives of Islam, as it has called for centuries ago. The First World War in 1914 was a clear reflection of the evils involved in setting captive women free to roars about in a strange society with strange surroundings. During that war, German and English women prisoners on either side were set free to roam the streets with no-one to feed them. The result was obvious that they resorted to other unrefined and uncivilized methods of income on the streets. Thus, it is evident that the Islamic treatment of women prisoners of war was conducive towards better social relations and led to the refinement of their overall social lives.

One should understand certain facts when talk about Prophet's (peace be upon him) marriages.

The most sexually active phase in anyone's life is before he reaches the age of fifty. We must remember that in this phase, the Prophet (peace be upon him) had only one wife, Khadijah (May ALLAH be pleased with her), who was fifteen years older than him. The Prophet (peace be upon him) married her when he was twenty-five and she was forty years. She had been married twice before and had many children. She died at the age of sixty-five. The Prophet (peace be upon him) didn't marry any other woman until his wife Khadija (May ALLAH be pleased with her) died. Then, when she died, he married another old lady Saudah (May ALLAH be pleased with her), who remained his only wife for the next four years. Now, no sensible and honest person can imagine that when he became over fifty-three he was suddenly filled with lust and needed to have more and more wives. He had dedicated himself to the task of building a nation, that he married a number of women belonging to different Arab clans, most of them were widows. The task entrusted to the Holy Prophet was that he should mould and chisel by aII around education and training an uncouth, uncultured nation which was not uncivilized only from the Islamic point of view but from a general viewpoint as well, into a highly civilized, refined and virtuous nation. For this purpose it was unbiased mind, will certainly realize why it was necessary to grant him freedom in respect of the wives and what "hindrance" was there for him in the restriction to four wives. By marrying widows he was setting a precedent to reverse the taboo of widow marriage. the principles of social life and civilization which he had been appointed to teach forbade free mixing of the sexes together, and it was not possible for him to impart direct training to the womenfolk himself without violating this rule. Therefore, for imparting education to the women the only alternative left for him was that he should marry several women of different ages and mental capabilities and should prepare them by education and training to become his helpers, and then employ them to give religious instructions to the young, middle-aged and old women of the city and desert and teach them the new principles of morality and civilization. Most of his wives were either divorcees or widows. This was at a time when the men in the society used to abandon widows and divorcees. Some of the Prophet's wives were even older than him.

Secondly, he was paying back his due to some of the companions who had perished in battles leaving behind widows with children, just as he was also seeking to unify the Arab tribes. Such a function of marriage is inconceivable for us today. A Muslim man can draw very good lessons from the life of Prophet (peace be upon him) and in the way he treated his wives." At the Prophet's (peace be upon him) time and environment it was a normal thing for a man to marry an unlimited number of wives plus taking an unlimited number of women slaves. Then, when Islam was revealed, it restricted the number to only four wives plus encouraging people to free slaves. The rest of his wives whom he married after her death came at a time when he was nearly 50. He spent most of his nights praying, and most of the daytime in the mosque teaching his followers, planning and running their affairs, and receiving and sending envoys from and to all tribes of the Arab Peninsula, as well as kings of the known world. In brief, he married all his wives either in view of the educational requirements, or for the reformation of society, or for political and social objectives.

Many Muslims scholars already explained this matter, I will repeat it.

Really? Well let me ask you a question: would you allow your 9 year old daughter to marry a 53 year old man that has 23 wives and concubines? a yes or no answer will do.

If I am living in the social circumstance and temperate situation of Arabia that time and if my daughter reaches the age of puberty, also if my daughter willing for a marriage with whom she likes definitely I would allow such a marriage.

1. You pray to un unseen God right? so what is the difference between the praying to an idol or to an unseen God? let me help you there is no difference except in the mind of an Arab that shall remain unnamed

Yes, you are right. I am praying to unseen God. Why idol is not allowed in Islam….??. Answer is there in Chapter 112 of Qur'an saying - "Say: He is ALLAH the One (and only). ALLAH, the eternally Besought of all! He neither begets nor was he begotten. And there is none comparable unto Him."

See the last line, there is none comparable unto Him. If no comparison to be made with any creature, how we can assign idol for God…..??.

2. You kiss and venerate a cold back stone located in al-ka3bba well this is pagansim our dear Sahji even we are told by your masters the Arabs that Omar ibn al-khattab once said that he cannot kiss and venerate a stone but he did see Abul Qasim kissing and venerating it. Well this is pagansim our dear Sahji

By kissing the black stone in Kaaba, no Muslim considers it as God. Nobody is praying to it also. Muslims are asked to do prostration on earth's surface. But No Muslim considers he is worshipping earth. In fact, by doing all these, Muslims obey the Commandment of God conveyed through Prophet (peace be upon him).

3. You kiss and venerate a book that is made of ink and paper called al-Qur'an well this is pagansim

With a sense of respect, this is done. Once again, no Muslim is worshipping or praying to it. No Muslim considers even God is inside it. Whereas Pagans were worshipping (considering it as God or with God's characters) idols and paid offerings to it.

4. You adore and venerate Muhammad and you and your Allah and his angels pray to him which is no more than pagansim and shirk

Muslims respect Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and follow his Sunnah. Neither angels nor Muslims pray to him. Praying anybody or anything other than Allah is shirk and biggest sin. Qur'an 33:56 says – "Allah and His angels send blessings on the Prophet: O ye that believe! Send ye blessings on him, and salute him with all respect".

5. You pray in the direction of al-qibla right? then this is also pagansim as there is no difference between praying to an idol and a qibla

Yes, Muslims pray facing the direction of Kaaba, i.e., Qibla. How facing a direction becomes paganism….??. By doing so, Muslims do not worship the Kaaba. Muslims worship and bow to none but Allah.

Qur'an 2:144 says - "We see the turning of thy face (for guidance) to the heavens: now shall We turn thee to a Qiblah that shall please thee. Turn then thy face in the direction of the Sacred Mosque: wherever ye are, turn your faces in that direction."

Kaaba is considered the first house built in order to worship One and Only God. Only Allah knows why He chose Kaaba for Qibla. Islam believes in fostering unity. For instance, if Muslims want to offer Salaah (Prayer), it is possible that some may wish to face north, while some may wish to face south. In order to unite Muslims in their worship of the One True God, Muslims, wherever they may be, are asked to face in only one direction i.e. towards the Kaaba. If some Muslims live towards the west of the Kaaba they face the east. Similarly if they live towards the east of the Kaaba they face the west.

6. You love and venerate the city of mecca well this is pagansim on a grand scale

Once again, no Muslim is praying to Makkah. It seems your hate towards Islam is out of ignorance and hate inculcated by Islamaphobes. May Allah guide you to right path (Amen).

Oh and here is your bonus for today: the Qur'an a book that you cannot read in Arabic says in Qur'an 14:4 that Islam is really the religion of the Hijazi Arabs

Qur'an 14:4 says – "We sent not an apostle except (to teach) in the language of his (own) people, in order to make (things) clear to them. Now Allah leaves straying those whom He pleases and guides whom He pleases: and He is Exalted in power, full of Wisdom."

Prophets were sent to mankind with guidance and to teach them how to worship One and Only God. Any Prophet to people whom he was assigned spoke in their language only. First, AIIah sent down His Message in the language of the people from among whom a Prophet was raised so that they might not have any excuse left that they could not understand the language of the Message. Secondly, this ruled out the presumption that a Messenger was ever given the Message in a different language merely for the sake of a miracle. For Allah considered it more important to make the people understand the Message and guide them rightly than to satisfy their curiosity. Obviously the purpose could best be served only if the Message was sent down to them in their own language by their Prophet and not in any other.

In addition to that, Qur'an 21:107 says - We sent thee (Prophet) not, but as a Mercy for all creatures.

So, Prophet (peace be upon him) was not meant only for Hijazi Arabs but a mercy for all creatures.

In several places of Qur'an, Allah addresses "Naas", that is "people" and it's not any particular sect or group.

I will quote 2 such attractive verses.

Qur'an 2:21 says – "O ye people! Adore your Guardian-Lord, who created you and those who came before you, that ye may have the chance to learn righteousness".

Qur'an 49:13 says – "O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things)".

Also, Prophet (peace be upon him) in his farewell sermon (Hajjatul Wida) clarified - "O People! lend me an attentive ear, for I know not whether after this year I shall ever be amongst you again. Therefore, listen carefully to what I am saying and Take These Words to Those Who Could Not Be Present Here Today."

If Mushrik had the option to either convert to Islam or killed by sword,

And that is my point so woould you agree that at least in the case of Meccan pagans islam was spread by the sword as "islam taslam" or convert to islam or be safe! Right? then your claim is bogus and would you like to retract your bogus claim that Islam was never spread by the sword?

Never Islam spread by sword either during the time of Prophet (peace be upon him) or the era of righteous predecessors since 3 generations after him. That means, Qur'an or Sunnah is never a proof for anyone else's activity. Moreover when you reply, don't cut my comment half way to prove your point.

But here is your bonus question for today: why would your Allah ask Abul Qasim and his minions to kill in his name in-order to spread islam? could it be because Allah is not able to change the minds of those pagans? You know what this means? it means that your Allah is not omnipotent! Or could it be that your Allah wanted war so Muslims can collect the ghanima and he can get 1/5 of the loot colletced as per Q8:41 so which one is it?

Allah did not ask Prophet (peace be upon him) to kill people for no reason and to spread Islam. Allah has given free mind to human beings and anybody is free to choose right from wrong. This is Allah's rule of creation. Qur'an 76:3 says – "We showed him the Way: whether he be grateful or ungrateful (rests on his will)."

Qur'an never said Allah does anything or everything. But Qur'an said in 2:106, 2:109, 2:148, and in several places that Allah has the "Power over all things".

Verse 8:41 says – "And know that out of all the booty that ye may acquire (in war), a fifth share is assigned to Allah,- and to the Messenger, and to near relatives, orphans, the needy, and the wayfarer,- if ye do believe in Allah and in the revelation We sent down to Our servant on the Day of Testing,- the Day of the meeting of the two forces. For Allah hath power over all things."

Regarding Ghanima, Jabir relates that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said, "I have been given five things that were not given to anyone before me: I have been made victorious due to fear for a distance of one month's journey; the earth has been made a place of prayer for me--wherever and whoever of my nation wants to pray, he may pray; and the war booty has been made lawful for me, and this was not lawful for anyone before me. I have been given permission to intercede. The prophets used to be raised for their own people only, but I have been raised for all of mankind." (Bukhari and Muslim.)

Now let us see Bible Numbers 31:31-40 -
31 So Moses and Eleazar the priest did as the LORD commanded Moses.
32 The plunder remaining from the spoils that the soldiers took was 675,000 sheep,
33 72,000 cattle,
34 61,000 donkeys
35 and 32,000 women who had never slept with a man.
36 The half share of those who fought in the battle was: 337,500 sheep,
37 of which the tribute for the LORD was 675;
38 36,000 cattle, of which the tribute for the LORD was 72;
39 30,500 donkeys, of which the tribute for the LORD was 61;
40 16,000 people, of which the tribute for the LORD was 32.

As we see from the above verses that the war booties were not only shared amongst the soldiers but also with the GOD OF BIBLE! . God of Bible got share of virgin women and sheep and cattle and donkeys and people!

Taking booty is a means of responding in kind, because the Muslims there have had their wealth taken from them, their rights have been denied and their homes have been confiscated. So this is a means of restoring their rights and giving back that which has been taken from them. It is in the nature of restitution of their rights.

It was distributed to

1. Allah and His Messenger, as it did not state for anyone in particular indicates that it should be spent to serve the common interests of all.
2. A share for the relatives of the Prophet (peace be upon him) from Bani Haashim and Bani al-Muttalib. They are all equally entitled to it, rich and poor, male and female.

3. Orphans – those who have lost their fathers whilst they are still young i.e., before the age of puberty.

4. The poor and needy.

5. The wayfarer, i.e. travelers who are cut off and need money in order to get back home.

Since the Prophet (peace be on him) devoted all his time to the cause of Islam, he was not in a position to earn his own living. Hence, some arrangement had to be made for the maintenance of the Prophet (peace be on him) as well as for his family, and the relatives dependent upon him for financial support. Hence a part of khums (one-fifth of the spoils of war) was specified for that purpose. According to jurists, this share should be distributed among the poor members of the Prophet's family. Rightly-Guided Caliphs followed this practice.

Muslims were the lords of Arabia for 1400 years.

Oh your masters the Arabs! I rest my case

My masters are not Arabs.

For a few years the British ruled, and for a few years the French ruled. Overall, the Muslims ruled Arabia for 1400 years. Yet today, there are over 22 million Arabs who are Coptic Christians.

Really? there are 22M Copts? where did you get your numbers from? and thank the Gods that there are indeed many people in the Middle East that never wanted to be victims of islam like you and always believed that abul qasim was no more than an Arabian warlord and caravan raider

This number I got from wikipedia. Egypt alone has 18 million Christian population (link - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copt)

Other parts of Middle East, the 2005 figure is shown by BBC, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4499668.stm

If you calculate altogether, the figure will go above 22 million.

The more recent figures are shown in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Christians (it says 22 to 33 million).

If Allah wishes, the truth of Islam will reach to every corner of world. Remember the verse from Qur'an 48:28 – "It is He Who has sent His Messenger with Guidance and the Religion of Truth, to proclaim it over all religion: and enough is Allah for a Witness."

Also, if Islam spread by sword, why there was no widespread killing at the time of Makkah victory, which became the turning point of the influx of people to Islam in early Islamic period…..??.

islamic delusuions again. you told us that islam never spread by the sword and you quoted another ignorant writer right? But I told you that you are wrong because at least in the case of the Meccan pagans islam was spread by the sword so what does this have to do with the influx of many victims of islam to islam? Do you think that it may be a case of the Stockhom Syndrome when the victim becomes the proponent of the evil like you? Do you think for a minute that your Hindu ancestors knew what they got themselves into when they converted to islam? they converted to a religion whose so holy book was written in a language that they cannot read speak or understand! How pathetic

I didn't quote from any ignorant writer. Pagans had nothing to offer ideologically and they chosen Islam willfully as they realized their belief was nothing but falsehood. I don't know why you are so restless for that.

I don't know what kind of syndrome affected you. The verse 2:256 signifies Quran's stand on accepting faith. That says – "Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things."

Again, in 18:29 – "Say, "The truth is from your Lord": Let him who will believe, and let him who will, reject (it): for the wrong-doers We have prepared a Fire whose (smoke and flames), like the walls and roof of a tent, will hem them in: if they implore relief they will be granted water like melted brass, that will scald their faces, how dreadful the drink! How uncomfortable a couch to recline on!"

Hindu is a geographical term assigned for the culture near Sindhu river. But Qur'an has the answer about the deviation of human beings from the true path. Qur'an 2:213 says - "Mankind were one community, and ALLAH sent prophets as bearers of good tidings and as warners, and revealed therewith the Scripture with the truth, that it might judge between mankind concerning that wherein they differed. And only those unto whom (the Scripture) was given differed concerning it, after clear proofs had come unto them, through hatred one of another. And ALLAH by His Will guided those who believe unto the truth of that concerning which they differed. ALLAH guideth whom He will unto a straight path".

Basically all the Prophets in all the cultures taught the same. This is what said in Qur'an 21:25 – "Not an apostle did We send before thee without this inspiration sent by Us to him: that there is no god but I; therefore worship and serve Me".

I don't know my ancestors are Hindu or anybody else. It is relevant to discuss only whether they came to know the truth of Islam. One doesn't have to speak Arabic to become Muslim. One can understand from its teachings and select his identity. I surprise what you want to prove from this….!!!!.

Open your eyes and realize who is ignorant……!!!!.

The ignorant is you

Pathetic your inference….

I would certainly go to the extent of calling you a "liar",

Anyone who tells me that islam was not spread by violence at least in the case of Meccan pagans is either a liar or he is ignorant of what the Muslim sources tell us so which one is it our dear sahji the tablighee?

See how you present my words……I said, ""I would certainly not go to the extent of calling you a "liar", …."".but you manipulated and removed "not" from my sentence and gave exact opposite meaning. Is this your method of refute…..??. It is getting clear now, the Truth of Islam disturbing you.

as you did with me but I you are advised to learn about Islam.

And I urge to to abandon islam and be free again and stop your delusions about your masters the Arabs beucase they have no regard for people like you and to them you are no more than a maskeen min el-hind

For Dr. Pipes I hope you do not delete "maskeen min el-hind" as this is what the Arabs call both Muslims and Hindus that work in the Gulf and in saudi Arabia

When you ask me to abandon Islam, a verse from Qur'an is relevant to quote. 40:41 says - "And O my people! How (strange) it is for me to call you to Salvation while ye call me to the Fire!"

Arabs helps Indians a lot whether they are Hindus or Muslims. Some Arabs are arrogant but majority are kind and help Indians. Some ill-minded westerners (not all) wanted to create hatred about Arabs. They actually lost their mental balance and unable to realize facts. Moreover "Miskeen" is not an abuse. It's a situation anybody might face anytime in their life. For the people who think "wealth is everything" may find this abusive. But nobody takes wealth to their grave. Again verse from Qur'an is relevant here, 102:1-2 says – "The mutual rivalry for piling up (the good things of this world) diverts you (from the more serious things), Until ye visit the graves.

You find time to insult me.

Oh the Muslim ego has no limits and if you want to be sanctimonious then you will be ridiculed do you get it?

It's not ego. You know very well what I am doing. It's Daa'wa and it's a religious duty. When doing Daa'wa, a Muslim must follow certain rules. One such rule mentioned in Qur'an (16:125) is - "Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance."

That's why I don't want to respond the way you do. If our discussion is personal, I will equally retaliate. This is what Qur'an says in 42:40-41 – "The recompense for an injury is an injury equal thereto (in degree): but if a person forgives and makes reconciliation, his reward is due from Allah. for ((Allah)) loveth not those who do wrong. But indeed if any do help and defend themselves after a wrong (done) to them, against such there is no cause of blame."

I don't know who you are your whereabouts.

Will Berkina Fasso do?

Why not….??

I can only recommend you to go through Qur'an in the language you know best at least once and try how that is catching you.

I can read the Qur'an in Arabic something that you cannot do. You?

Yes, I can.

you can read it in an urdu translation right? how pathetic

No, you are wrong. Pathetic, with your inference.

If you are a truth-seeker with good intentions, just explore through Qur'an without a prejudiced mind.

Oh and read the kill the this and slay the that and fight the those! No the Qur'an is a violent book

Again I repeat, don't approach Qur'an with prejudiced mind. It definitely not a violent book, but seems violent to those who initiate violence and spread mischief.

Allah didn't make you infidel.

Really? But your Allah says and i'm paraphrasing that he guides whom ever he wants and your masters the Arabs tell us that the Qur'an says that this life is all about al-qada' wa al-qadr (oh I do not translate Arabic for wannabe arabs like you) and do you know what this means? it means that if anyone is to be blamed for us being infidles then it must be Allah so the question now is how can we get in touch with Allah? Do you have his e-mail address? I will do the talking after all the poor guy only speaks Arabic

I told you, Allah has given the free will to choose right from wrong. Whoever he said doesn't guide is those who reject faith even after realizing it as truth. I don't know you are among that. If you agree you are among that, I will definitely stop dealing with you.

For Allah, the barriers of time and space do not exist. Due to the limitation of our senses and knowledge, we can only perceive a partial truth and can only measure analytically by singling out some processes from others. From the Creator's perspective, the created world exists in a time-space-continuum. For Him the past is as transparent as the present and the future. He knows what we are still to discover.

Allah has equipped us with potential, but we will not fulfill all of it. As we discover who we are and what we can do, we also limit our subsequent options by the decisions we have already taken. Because our lifespan is finite, we must focus on our aim if we want to reach it. The only direct link between two points is straight line. The Qur'an calls the journey of the believer back to Allah the straight path. If time were infinite, it would not matter in which direction we set out to reach a particular destination, we would eventually end up there. Time, however, is limited, and if we stray too far, we might not be able to make it back. The model of the straight path therefore implies that we must make regular small course corrections as soon as we deviate from it. Islam calls this concept repentance.

To Allah we belong, and to Him we return. Man only obtains what He strives for, and his effort will soon be apparent. His deeds will be judged by their intention. For those who limit their horizon to the material world surrounding us, life is not much more than play and time-pass. For those who raise their sights to the next stage of existence, it becomes a temporary and intermediary stage and testing ground, whose importance lies only in the fact that Allah does not waste the effort of the believers.

Allah is beyond the limits and constraints of space and time and so He is not subject to the physical rules and norms that determine the nature of things and beings in the visible world. So your question whether we can touch Allah or contact through e-mail all illogical. Once again read the Chapter 112 (I quoted earlier) from Qur'an and see what Allah says about himself.

And here is your bonus for today: the Qur'an says in Q14:4 that islam is the religion of the Hijazi Arabs only so who was the prophet (from among the 120,000 prophets that were sent by your Allah) that was sent to your Hindu ancestors? Let me guess he ain't Muhammad

Islam not a religion only for Hijazi Arabs. I already explained that above.

Qur'an 35:24 says – "Verily We have sent thee in truth, as a bearer of glad tidings, and as a warner: and there never was a people, without a warner having lived among them (in the past)."

So Prophets were sent to Indian subcontinent also (where Hindus are majority). As Qur'an not mentions their names, I don't know them or their whereabouts. But one thing is clear, all the Prophets essentially invited people to worship and One and Only God. This is what Qur'an says in 21:25 – "Not an apostle did We send before thee without this inspiration sent by Us to him: that there is no god but I; therefore worship and serve Me".

HE has given you the freedom to select right from wrong.

Really? then how about al-qada' wa al-qadr? and how come you did not know that? could it be because you are ignorant about such doctrine? or could it be that you know about it but you hoped that we infidels do not know but in this case you would be and you must padron me a liar? so which one is it?

I already explained about Qada-Qadr. Full knowledge of Qada-Qadr is with Allah. We can understand only within our limits, i.e., within time-space continuum. We are still to explore many things in this universe. That doesn't mean anything further existing in this universe. Allah is beyond the limits of universe. Our explanation requires to mention past, present and future (time). Allah is beyond the limits of time. So our perception about Qada-Qadr (based on time) is no way comparable to Allah's knowledge (who is beyond both time and space).

It is foolishness to consider ourselves that we know everything and evaluate Allah with our limited perception. What I wrote to you, is my knowledge about Qada-Qadr. It is up to you whether to agree or not. I am a believer in Qur'an and I consider it is 100% true.

Whether you are infidel or not, or to remain like that or not, is not my concern. Qur'an 6:66 is answering you - But thy people reject this, though it is the truth. Say: "Not mine is the responsibility for arranging your affairs;

Nobody is Muslim because he born in Muslim family and follow principles against Islam. When the person willfully chooses this ideology and submits his will to ONE and ONLY GOD, then only he becomes Muslim. So the CHOICE is yours……

reallY? so all babies are not born Muslim as we are told by your masters the Arabs? How come you did not know that? could it because you are ignorant or a liar? so which one is it?

Arab masters are not said that. It was narrated from Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) said: "Every child is born in a state of fitrah (the natural state of man, i.e., Islam), then his parents make him into a Jew or a Christian or a Magian." (Agreed upon).

Shame on you

Actually on you….

if Hindus were brutalized by Muslims,

Hindus your ancestors that is were brutlaized by Muslims and by islam and you are no more than another victim of islam

It's just plain argument from you. I am a Muslim not by anybody's force. You may be a victim of Islam hater's propaganda.

why those Hindus escape to UAE and practice Islam there….??.

Hindus practice Islam? really?

Why not, they can revert to Islam and practice, isn't it…??. ..Again why you cut comment half way and reply for what I did not mean…..??.

Where in Qur'an says "iqtollo al-mushrikeen aka ayat al-sayf"….??.

You did not understand a word did you? ayat al-sayf or the word verse is the infamous Q9:5 and how come you did not know that? Oh the aka? It means also known as! See what happens when you debate a subject in a language that you cannot read speak or write Arabic that is and then post in English?

Transilteration of Qur'an 9:5 is - Faitha insalakha alashhuru alhurumu faqtuloo almushrikeena haythu wajadtumoohum wakhuthoohum waohsuroohum waoqAAudoo lahum kulla marsadin fain taboo waaqamoo alssalata waatawoo alzzakata fakhalloo sabeelahum inna Allaha ghafoorun raheemun

You are mixing transliteration with pseudonyms. Anyway, it's your style. If you speak straight forward, I will understand. Also don't jump to conclusion about my Arabic. The way you use Arabic will not understand even to Arabic scholars.

Its Translation is – "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful."

Yes, Qur'an said to kill "mushriqeen"………!!!!.

ROTFL Pakistani Arabic it is a kaf and not a qaf and it is al-mushrikeen and do us a favor and stick to Urdu

Wa…!! Great finding…..!!!. Now show me from verse 9:5, where is the word you quoted "iqtollo"…….??. Do me a favor by not to transliterate Arabic.

But where….in the battlefield where those 'mushriqeen" come to fight to exterminate Muslims.

Really? does it say that is ayat al-sayf? where would i find that in Q9:5? let me help you your claim is bogus!

Yes, Ibn kathir call it Ayah of sword. You will not find 'battlefield" in verse 5 but see the context from the beginning of the same chapter. It says about a peace treaty between the Muslims and the Mushriks of Makkah. This treaty was violated by the Mushriks of Makkah. A period of four months was given to the Mushriks of Makkah to make amends. Otherwise war would be declared against them. This verse is quoted during a battle, and hence the Qur'an says, "Kill the Mushriks wherever you find them", during a battle to boost the morale of the Muslim soldiers. What the Qur'an is telling Muslim soldiers is, don't be afraid during battle; wherever you find the enemies kill them.

Well, if you literally take the comment "kill Mushriks wherever you find them", No Muslim understood that it is an instruction to finish off polytheists. Only it is understood so by Islam-haters from last 20-30 years. Before also Islam there and no one were vigorously attacked Muslims calling "Islam is terrorism" by quoting this verse. "Terrorism" is an excuse to occupy Middle east and eye is on oil wealth. Its occupants are Muslims, so they must be terrorists……!!!

Quite to contrary to Islam hater understands, see what the next verse, 9:6 says – "If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah. and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge".

If the instruction was meant to exterminate Mushriks, why to grant asylum to those seek from among them….??. Not just asylum, why to escort them to place where they secure……??.

If you remove the context, that is "battlefield", it could have satisfied your desire to portray "Islam spread by sword". Before you criticize, learn something Mr. dhimmi……

So where would I find in ayat al-sayf anything about kill al-mushrikeen only in the battlefield?

That is why we say, to you Islam-haters, to learn Qur'an with context. The context doesn't come in the verse 9:5. This verse must be learnt as per the incidents happened in connection with this verse. Please be patient to read the full incident.

It has been mentioned by Islamic Scholars again and again that Qur'an cannot be understood just by reading the verses; one has to read the exegesis of Qur'an or study from an authentic scholar. This verse is thrown at Muslims time and again without proper research being done; even if the critics read from the first verse until around the thirteenth verse, it would have still clarified few of their doubts. But it looks like that some of them knowingly keep quoting this verse out of context just to throw dirt on the religion of Islam.

The whole background of this verse is discussed here and after a thorough analysis of the explanation of the first few verses of this, chapter 9, Insha Allah (God willing), the readers will understand how the critics of Islam are mistaken or deliberate misrepresent to suit for their wicked purpose.

The first thing to keep in mind is that the word mentioned in the verse 5 is Mushrikeen which means polytheists and thus it does not include all the Non-Muslims. Secondly, God has mentioned different types of polytheists in this chapter. If one does not understand the different types of polytheists then two major problems occur: firstly, one does not know in which verse God is talking about which group of polytheists, and secondly one who has not read the exegesis of Qur'an puts all the polytheists in one category as a whole, and thus thinks that God has commanded to kill all the polytheists.

It is imperative to understand some of the historical incidences which took place after five Hijri (five years after the Muslims migrated to Medina). After the unsuccessful attempt of the Non-Muslims in the war of Khandaq (in which the Non-Muslims tried to annihilate Muslims) they returned back to Makkah. Prophet (peace be upon him) told his companions that now the Makkans will never attack us again. Some time later the Prophet (peace be upon him) also saw a dream that Muslims are doing Umrah (small pilgrimage). Since the dream of the Prophet (peace be upon him) was always a revelation, it was decided that Muslims will go for Umrah. Muslims had left Makkah for six years and they yearned to go back to their birthplace and to the place where the Holy Kaaba was present (as the polytheists had forbidden their entry into Makkah and it was impossible for them to go there).

Consequently the Muslims departed for Makkah (without any ammunition to show that they had no intention to fight, and they just wanted to perform the Umrah), but they were stopped by the polytheists at a place called Hudaibiyah. They did not allow them to perform Umrah. The Polytheists had intentions to fight, but at that time Prophet (peace be upon him) said that he would make peace with them if they want to make peace and he would accept any condition put forth (no matter how unjust so that a peace treaty could be signed; this further shows that Islam is not a religion of violence but peace). So in the end Muslims signed a peace treaty even though the conditions were extremely unjust.

The first condition Quraish (main tribe of the polytheists) put forth was that Muslims cannot perform Umrah that year. The Prophet (peace be upon him) accepted this condition (and when asked that your dream was a revelation and how is it possible that we cannot perform Umrah, he replied that the dream did not necessarily mean that we will do Umrah this year; we will do it eventually in the near future). The second condition they put forth was that if anyone turns away from your religion (Islam) and comes to us we will not return that person; on the other hand, if someone from one of us immigrates to Medina, the Muslims will return that person to us. The Prophet (peace be upon him) accepted this as well. It was also decided that Muslims and Polytheists will not fight each other for the next ten years. The fourth condition was that any Arab tribe is free to join either Muslims or the Polytheists if they wish. Along with this condition it was decided that if some tribe joins with Quraish or the Muslims, and if someone fights with that tribe then it will be considered an act of war on Quraish or the Muslims (as they have joined with either of them and thus are considered a part of them). The fifth condition was that next year Muslims will come for Umrah. The sixth term was that Muslims will come next year for Umrah for three days only without any ammunition. Hence, the treaty was signed on these conditions and next year in seventh Hijri Muslims came for three days and performed their Umrah.

There were two Arab tribes (Banu Bakr and Banu khuza) who used to fight each other a lot. Banu khuza joined the Muslims and Banu Bakr joined the Quraish in Makkah. After a while, there arose a conflict between these two tribes regarding a stream of water. The conflict was pre-planned by Banu Bakr and they used this excuse to carry out their plot. A lot of people from Banu khuza were killed in that conflict. The Quraish were not only aware of this plan of Banu Bakr, but they provided Banu Bakr with ammunition as well. So knowing that Quraish were on their side, Banu Bakr settled some of their previous scores with Banu Khuza.

When this news reached Prophet (peace be upon him) he conducted an investigation and when this incidence was confirmed, he sent a delegation to Quraish with the message that you have three options: the Quraish must pay compensation for the murders committed (hundred camels for one life), or the Quraish should clearly declare that they have broken their ties with Banu Bakr and then the Muslims will deal with them, or the Muslims should be allowed to kill same number of people from a sub tribe of Banu Bakr (i.e. Banu Nafaasa) on the principle of life for life. Quraish rejected this proposal and said if Muslims attack any of our allies we will take action against them with equal might. They further said that Muslims can do whatever they want with us (meaning we are not afraid of them and we will take care of them). Because of this act of Quraish, the treaty of Hudaibiyah was annulled (as the fourth condition of the treaty was not honored).

When the treaty was null and void, Muslims conquered Makkah in eighth Hijri, and Prophet (peace be upon him) assured Banu Khuza that appropriate action will be taken. In ninth Hijri some Muslims went for pilgrimage and then these verses of Surah Taubah were revealed. Prophet (peace be upon him) sent Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) to Makkah to recite these verses to the Polytheists (one of the reason being that from next year only Muslims will be allowed to perform pilgrimage and not the polytheists). Now in Makkah there were four types of Polytheists.

The first type of Polytheists was of those with whom Muslims had a treaty of peace without mention of any timeframe. The second type was of those with whom there was no treaty at all as they used to live far away and there was no need for any treaty with them. The first, second and third verse of Surah Taubah talks about these polytheists and Allah says Qur'an 9:1-3 - "This is a declaration of] disassociation, from Allah and His Messenger, to those with whom you had made a treaty among the polytheists. So travel freely, [O disbelievers], throughout the land [during] four months but know that you cannot cause failure to Allah and that Allah will disgrace the disbelievers. And [it is] an announcement from Allah and His Messenger to the people on the day of the greater pilgrimage that Allah is disassociated from the disbelievers, and [so is] His Messenger. So if you repent, that is best for you; but if you turn away – then know that you will not cause failure to Allah. And give tidings to those who disbelieve of a painful punishment". God has commanded here that the treaty will be honored, but from next year only Muslims will be allowed to perform pilgrimage. It is further stated in the narrations of the Prophet (peace be upon him) that he told Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) to announce that from now on no one will circle the Kaaba in nude (as was the practice in the days gone by) and that no polytheist will enter paradise unless they repent.

The third type of polytheists was of those with whom Muslims had treaty for a certain amount of time: they were the two tribes of Banu Kanaana (Banu Zamaara and Banu Madlij). The verse revealed in the Quran was in the month of Shawaal 9th Hijri and so the treaty with them was valid until nine more months. Allah says in Qur'an 9:4 - "Excepted are those with whom you made a treaty among the polytheists and then they have not been deficient toward you in anything or supported anyone against you; so complete for them their treaty until their term [has ended]. Indeed, Allah loves the righteous [who fear Him]". The Muslims were commanded to fulfill their treaty and not to renew it with those who did not break their treaty or supported anyone against the Muslims.

Fourth type was of the ones who broke the treaty of Hudaibiyah (i.e. Quraish, Banu Bakr and Banu Nafaasa). Allah gave them permission that for four months they can stay here but after that time they must leave this area. This is mentioned in the verse five which says in Qur'an 9:5 - "And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.". Basically if they leave then they will not be harmed but if they do not, then God allowed Muslims to fight them, and in the battlefield kill those who broke the treaty (as their act of killing people of Banu Khuza was equivalent to the act of war on the Muslims). So verse 5 speaks about killing those polytheists who did not honor the treaty of Hudaibiyah in the battlefield, and the critics of Islam try to project that Muslims are allowed to kill all the Non-Muslims. Note that God says if they repent then let them go (even after their horrendous acts Islam teaches forgiveness and peace and not fighting).

For the readers in the infamous ayat al-sayf or THE SWROD VERSE Q9:5 we are told by our Dear Shaji's Arab masters that the pagans of Mecca had one of two choices to either convert to islam or be killed and nothing about his bogus "battlefield"

Hope the readers would have now understood. Qur'an says in 2:256, "No compulsion in religion" and in contrary to that, Prophet (peace be upon him) never acts.

I am in the midst of many responses;

OK so why did you not reply to my blogs? Let me guess: because you discovered that we know what we are talking about

How I can write to you alone…??. I would consider responses whole-total and I will be able to reply as per my convenience. I told you, what I do is a religious duty and Qur'an clearly 2:286 says – "On no soul doth Allah Place a burden greater than it can bear".

My guidance is Qur'an and not your vain desires.

I hardly find time for clarification.

I read this as: you have not replied because you have no answers

Wait man……don't be impatient…..everybody is not like you (without no other job)……

I am amazed with the intensity of criticism against Islam.

And why are you amazed?

With the intensity and harshness of you people……

I am also sad the so-called Muslims in deep sleep and always behind fun and unaware about their responsibilities.

What responsibilities? To decalre jihad and kill the polytheists and fight ahl al-kitab and give 1/5 of the loot to Allah and his rasul?

Responsibility of delivering the true message of Islam. Of course, Jihad must be done but to propagate Islam, which is the biggest Jihad. No fight prescribed in Islam without a solid reason. However you try to misinterpret, you will not be successful in your efforts. Whether looting done or not, read by explanation earlier.

Nice to know you are not among the slandering propagandist.

The "slandering propagandist" is you

Snip useless and bogus da3wa

First of all, it was not addressed to you. Quote my slander here, if you are true….

Whether you find it useless or not, Islamic Daawa will continue….

al-jannah for shahids.

ROTFL Urdu Pakistani English Arabic let me correct your funny language it is: al-janna lel shuhada' mr ignorant and you need to stick to Urdu

ROTFL Then mr. ignorant is not me, it is Mr. Lactantius Jr who quoted that. Also, it's not "iqtollo al-mushrikeen aka ayat al-sayf" what you quoted earlier, it should be "faqtuloo almushrikeena maroofa bi ayah al saif". Now you ignorant, quote it properly when you refute.

You noticed that we read your funny and pathetic Arabic but you did not even get it and do these shuhada' get the 72 vrigins in your Allah's little paradise and does the likes of Muhammad Atta get the boys as he really was not into virgins

Teach some Arabic to your friend, Mr. Lactantiuis Jr. I don't need your pathetic Arabic teaching class.

Sure I look for paradise and the comforts there in. You don't understand the importance of that and I urge you to go through Qur'an. It may change your mind.

Why you don't look at Qur'an before you allege "Islam spread by sword"…..??.

Hello: how about Q9:5 or ayat al-sayf? how come you did not know that? could it be because you are ignorant about what the Qur'an really says or could it that you are hoping that we infidels do not know what the Qur'an really says but in this case you would be a liar. So which one is it?

Hello….I already replied. Be patient to read. Ignorant are you. Let the readers decide who is liar.

If anybody follows their vain desires other than Qur'an and Prophet's (peace be upon him) teachings, how that is accountable as proof in Islam….??.

islamic gobbeldygook

Islamophobiac's dilemma……

Of course, jihad with sword is prescribed in Islam.

Then you agree that jihad really means holy war and that Islam was spread by the sword. I rest my case

What a fake

No, I don't agree with your comment. It's not really mean holy war. It has various other meanings. Against oppression, if no other option, war is resorted.

Fake is with your attitude.

But in what circumstance….??. From Prophet's (peace be upon him) life and his approach, one could deduct the following, when jihad with sword to be done. I already explained this earlier. I again repeat…...1. It must be confirmed that Muslims in particular region are severely oppressed and they are not allowed to practice their religion or to do Da'wa (Islamic propagation by peaceful means) activities.2. If Muslims are facing problems in one region, does not give permission to retaliate in other parts of the world, which have no involvement in persecuting Muslims. There is no proof in Islam for such acts.3. Any retaliation must be done under a leadership appointed by Islamic government. Individual retaliation or revenge is not allowed unless through the court of law. The action must not be intended against innocent people, women, children or old age. Only it is done against those come to fight and exterminate Muslims.

Islamic gobbledygook

Once again, an Islam hater's dilemma…..

1. Islam says making partners to God (shirk) is the biggest sin.

Really? then let me see in surat al-ahzab aya 56 it say

inna allaha wa malli'katuh yusaalona 3ala al-nabi

do you know what this means? It means, and I will be nice here and translate it for you:

Allah and his angels pray upon/to Muhammad

Your Allah as well as his angels are praying and the subject of their praying is al-nabi aka Muhammad! So what is this our dear shaji al-tablighee? Let me help you: this is polytheism right? and why would Allah pray and how does he do it? and who takes care of the universe the he is praying?

And remember that when you utter the childlish sali 3ala al-nabi you are really praying to Muhammad so is Muhammad a God too our dear shaji? well it seems that your Allah prays to him

Qur'an 33:56 says – "Allah and His angels send blessings on the Prophet: O ye that believe! Send ye blessings on him, and salute him with all respect".

Pathetic with your transliteration, "inna allaha wa malli'katuh yusaalona 3ala al-nabi".

Now tell me which authentic translation gives you the meaning "praying"…..??.

Again read - Qur'aan says the reason in 4:48 – "ALLAH forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with ALLAH is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed".

More you want…..??. Read Qur'an 40:60 – "And your Lord says: "Call on Me; I will answer your (Prayer): but those who are too arrogant to serve Me will surely find themselves in Hell - in humiliation!"

It seems not sufficient for you. Take one more. Qur'an 39:65 – 'But it has already been revealed to thee,- as it was to those before thee,- "If thou wert to join (gods with Allah., truly fruitless will be thy work (in life), and thou wilt surely be in the ranks of those who lose (all spiritual good)".

No Muslim is praying to Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). This is what all Muslims understood from Qur'an and Prophet's teachings. Why you create such misconceptions in the mind of readers….??. It looks like you have some personal prejudice towards Qur'an and Muslims.

Oh there is more in ayat al-jizya it says that

qaatiluu al-ladhina la yu'minuna bi lahi blah...blah...blah...wa la yuharimuna maharma allah wa rasuluh

Well I'm sure you agree with me that Allah says that he is the God of the nasarra wa al-yahood. Right? And they believe that he is their God. Right? But neither al-yahood aw al-nassara believe that Muhammad was a prophet.. Right? Do you know what the above means? It means that Muhammad is as important as your Allah and do you know what this means? It means SHIRK

How come you did not know that?

Even for refute, you must have quoted the full verse. Your "blah blah" worth no reply and it reveals your ideological voidness.

Yes, Allah is God of all creatures. If Jews or christians don't believe in Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), how that elevates him as important as Allah and become shirk…..??. Muslims don't consider Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) as important as Allah. Strange observations…..??. You yourself don't know what you are quoting and you are accusing me of ignorant……!!!!.

Oh there is more: kissing a stone is pagansim and kissing a book called al-Qur'an a pagansim and praying to an unseen God is also pagansim

So much for islam and polytheism and paganism

Read my reply above for your ignorant comments.

Our dear shaji who tells us that unless he is allowed to preach his little da3wa then Muslims must declare jihad. right our dear shaji al-tablighee?

No, dear ignorant. What I do now is a Jihad to you.

I too agree Jesus (peace be upon him) preached peace in his mission.

And we are aslo told in the Qur'an a book that you cannot read in Arabic says that Jesus created life. Right? and he did not die. Right? and I'm sure you agree with me that only a God creates life and does not die.

Then congratulations our dear shaji the lost tablighee but the Qur'an says that Jesus is your Allah. So is Jesus your Allah our dear shaji?

No, Qur'an doesn't say Jesus created life. Qur'an 5:110 says – "(Remember) when Allah will say (on the Day of Resurrection). "O 'Îsa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Remember My Favour to you and to your mother when I supported you with Ruh-ul-Qudus [Jibril (Gabriel)] so that you spoke to the people in the cradle and in maturity; and when I taught you writing, Al-Hikmah (the power of understanding), the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel); and when you made out of the clay a figure like that of a bird, by My Permission, and you breathed into it, and it became a bird by My Permission, and you healed those born blind, and the lepers by My Permission, and when you brought forth the dead by My Permission; and when I restrained the Children of Israel from you (when they resolved to kill you) as you came unto them with clear proofs, and the disbelievers among them said: 'This is nothing but evident magic.'"

All the miracles done by Jesus (peace be upon him) with Allah's permission. Jesus (peace be upon him) himself not able to do anything unless Allah gives him the power.

Yes, Jesus (peace be upon him) did not die at the cross and sure he will die.

Qur'an 3:55 - "And (remember) when Allah said: 'O Eesa (Jesus)! I will take you and raise you to Myself and clear you [of the forged statement that 'Eesa (Jesus) is Allah's son] of those who disbelieve, and I will make those who follow you (monotheists, who worship none but Allah) superior to those who disbelieve [in the oneness of Allah, or disbelieve in some of His Messengers, or in His Holy Books] till the Day of Resurrection. Then you will return to Me and I will judge between you in the matters in which you used to dispute."

Allah's statement that He raised Jesus up to heaven is also a refutation of the Jews' claim to have killed him. Qur'an 4:155-159 says - (They have incurred divine displeasure): In that they broke their covenant; that they rejected the signs of Allah. that they slew the Messengers in defiance of right; that they said, "Our hearts are the wrappings (which preserve Allah.s Word; We need no more)";- Nay, Allah hath set the seal on their hearts for their blasphemy, and little is it they believe;- That they rejected Faith; that they uttered against Mary a grave false charge; That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:- Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;- And there is none of the People of the Book but must believe in him before his death; and on the Day of Judgment he will be a witness against them;-

Jesus (peace be upon him) has not died yet; Allah raised him up unto Himself because the Jews wanted to kill him, and he will descend again at the end of time and rule the earth according to Islam. He will live for as long as Allah wants him to, then he will die and the Muslims will pray [the janaazah or funeral prayer] for him.

At last and at least one you said right, that is, Only God who never dies.

Jesus is not Allah. You can never ever prove that from Qur'an.

In Islam, not only Jesus (peace be upon him) all the Prophets (peace be upon them all) did the same.

Really? "prohets" did the same? so was Jesus also an Arabian warlord and caravan raider and did he marry a 6 year old girl when he was 53 years old and he had 23 wives and concubines? and is he supposed to get 1/5 of the loot along with Allah looted from the likes of your ancestors?subhanallah

What I meant to say, all Prophets (peace be upon them all) did the same is actually in their uniquness in inviting their people to worship One and Only God. This is what Qur'an says in 21:25 – "Not an apostle did We send before thee without this inspiration sent by Us to him: that there is no god but I; therefore worship and serve Me".

Thanks Allah, at least you said, SubhanAllah once. Rest of your allegations already replied earlier.

Muslims make no distinction between them.

Really? I did not know that. Then why do we have Q17:55 or

wa laqad faddalna ba3di al-nabiyeena 3ala ba3d

Oh I will be nice this time and tell you what it says:

we have PREFERED SOME PROPHETS OVER OTHERS

Right our dear shaji the tablighee? How come you did not know that? Could it be because you really do not know what the Qur'an says but in this case you are ignorant and your little "Read Qur'an (sic) first" should be "you shaji sholud read the Qur'an first before you even open your mouth here" Or you already know about Q17:55 but you hoped that we infidels do not know but you know what this means? It means and you must padron me that you are a liar! So which one is it our dear shaji? ignorant or liar?

Let us see what 17:55 says – "And it is your Lord that knoweth best all beings that are in the heavens and on earth: We did bestow on some prophets more (and other) gifts than on others: and We gave to David (the gift of) the Psalms.".

Where in the above verse says Muslims have to make distinction between Prophets….??. The "We" is referring to Allah. Why you try to misrepresent the verse…..??.

Now I will give you proof for not to make distinction between Prophets from Qur'an it self. Read 3:84 - Say: "We believe in Allah, and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and in (the Books) given to Moses, Jesus, and the prophets, from their Lord: We make no distinction between one and another among them, and to Allah do we bow our will (in Islam)."

No doubt, you are ignorant.

It is not a religion came to existence because of one man or his name or his sect.

Really? But the Qur'an a book that you cannot read in Arabic says:

wa ma arsalna min rasulan ila bilisani qawmihi

Do you know what this means? It means that islam is really the religion of the Hijazi Arabs only which means that your claim is bogus so would you like to change it our dear shaji?

Read my reply earlier in this post. Your efforts to misinterpret will go vain, Mr. Dhimmi…..

It is essentially means peace and submitting the will to One and Only Almighty God.

Well we have established so far that the Qur'an says that Jesus is really God. So are you talking about Jesus here?

Your masters the Arabs call your likes "maskeen min el-bakistan" or the poor one from India. I urge you to stop being a victim of the Arabs and their imperialism

Nothing you established yet and Jesus is never a God…I am not talking about Jesus (peace be upon him). I am talking about the God which Qur'an says - "Say: He is ALLAH the One (and only). ALLAH, the eternally Besought of all! He neither begets nor was he begotten. And there is none comparable unto Him."

I urge you to stop campaigning for Islamophobiacs and became victim of them. There are many Indians and Pakistanis in Arab countries both rich and poor. "Masakeen" is the same word used against Arabs if they are poor and it's not the brand of only Indians or Pakistanis. "Your masters" also call India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh as "third world countries" and brand their residents as "poor (Masakeen)". Are you not concerned for that…..??.

1. Well let me see the Qur'an a book that you cannot read in Arabic because you cannot read speak or write Arabic says that the Trinity is: Allah, 3Isa and Maryam right? and your Allah tells such that such Trinity is no good. Right?

I can read and write Arabic. Trinity what christians call is God, Jesus and Holy spirit. Maryam is not coming in it. Once again, it shows your ignorance…..

Yes, Allah asks not to believe in Trinity.

2. But al-nassara oh darn it you do not know any Arabic I mean Christians tell us that the Trinity is really the Godhead Jesus and the Holy Spirit. Right?

Christians believe Jesus is "Son of God" and raise Holy spirit also to the status of God.

3. But your Allah is silent about such Trinity of God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit and if he did not aprove of it he would have told us right?which means that the Trinity as defined by Christians is fine with your Allah right?

Allah is not silent on Trinity. Read Qur'aan 4:171 - O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of ALLAH aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of ALLAH, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in ALLAH and His apostles. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for ALLAH is one ALLAH. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is ALLAH as a Disposer of affairs".

4. Then I must assume that your Allah has no difficulty with the Trinity as defined by Christians

Before assuming, read the above verse from Qur'an.

5. So do you disagree with your Allah our dear Shaji? and do you think that I sould tell your masters the Arabs that you disagree with Allah and do you know what this means? It means that you will have a fatwa of takferr. issued against you and you will be send back to some islamic hell hole

No, I never disagree with Allah. If your understanding is wrong, that doesn't mean Allah is wrong.

Arabs are not my masters, they are my colleagues. Your hate to Arabs requires serious treatment and better consult a doctor. If you go with your present attitude, your destination will be "hellhole" (Allah knows your final abode).

Oh there is more: Are you aware that your Allah says that islam is really the religion of the Hijazi Arabs only and you ain't one?wanna know more? just aks

Islam is not only the religion for Hijazi Arabs but also for the whole mankind. I prefer being Muslim in words and deeds all the time.

I urge you to learn Islam and stop hating it, it is better for you in life here and hereafter.

May Allah helps us to understand and follow the truth (Ameen).

Shaji

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