Follow both Prophet Muhammad along with Jesus (peace be upon them both) and believe in complete submission to One and Only God

Submitted by Shaji (United Arab Emirates), May 28, 2009 at 06:20

I am surprised with your quick reply. But you never reply to my comments. Are you not reading my replies…??.

As you are a Christian, please prove whether Jesus is God or not….??.

Yes, in Qur'an 46:9 we can read about Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) – "Say: "I am no bringer of new-fangled doctrine among the apostles, nor do I know what will be done with me or with you. I follow but that which is revealed to me by inspiration; I am but a Warner open and clear."

But Qur'an says same about Jesus also. Qur'an 4:171 says - O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His apostles. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.

Then you quoted Hadith from Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 266, and bolded the following - By Allah, though I am the Apostle of Allah, yet I do not know what Allah will do to me,

OK, I will quote you what Jesus said from Bible - Mark 13:32 - "But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father".

Then what is the difference between Jesus and Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon them both)…..??. Still do you consider Jesus as God….??. A God, who doesn't know certain things……!!!!!

Thanks once again for your acknowledgment the manner I choose to convey the message. This is what Qur'an says in 16:125 – "Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance." Hope you got why I sit with you and it depends on my convenience.

Sir, I am not an Arab. I will disclose my details. I am an Indian, working in UAE and professionally a Pharmacologist. My native language is Malayalam and I belong to tiny South Indian state of Kerala.

Yes, you are right. We have to get very best out of our remaining life. Qur'an asking you in 3:64 - Say: "O People of the Book! come to common terms as between us and you: That we worship none but Allah. that we associate no partners with him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than Allah." If then they turn back, say ye: "Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah's Will)".

Qur'an 3:3 never said its source is Bible. It only said it confirms what actually Allah sent before it. What happened to scriptures what Allah sent before can be read from Qur'an 5:13 - But because of their breach of their covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard; they change the words from their (right) places and forget a good part of the message that was sent them, nor wilt thou cease to find them- barring a few - ever bent on (new) deceits: but forgive them, and overlook (their misdeeds): for ALLAH loveth those who are kind".

Qur'aan 5:14 says, "From those, too, who call themselves Christians, We did take a covenant, but they forgot a good part of the message that was sent them: so we estranged them, with enmity and hatred between the one and the other, to the day of judgment. And soon will ALLAH show them what it is they have done".

Yes, Qur'an in 2:136 asks Muslims to make no distinction between earlier revelations but it's not available in the pure form due to interpolations. Also Qur'an never used the word "Bible" anywhere in it.

In context, Qur'an 21:7 is responding to a question raised by Jews. It is this - "This man is no more than a human being like you", and therefore, cannot be a Messenger of God. They have been told that the former Prophets, too, whom you also recognize as Prophets, were human beings and were blessed with Revelations from Allah. That is, "You may have it testified by the Jews, who are the enemies of Islam like you, and are teaching you the ways to oppose it, that all the Messengers including Prophet Moses were human beings."

It never says, whenever Muslims have doubt, get clarify from other "People of Book"…..!!!.

Qur'an 10:94 also not asking to believe in Bible. Common Arabs were not conversant with the Scriptures. But so far as the People of the Book were concerned, there were doubtlessly some pious religious scholars among them who were in a position to corroborate the fact that the Qur'anic message was essentially the same as that delivered by the earlier Prophets. This is what Waraqa-bin-Naufal did when he heard revelations started receiving for Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him).

Yes, Qur'an 4:136 asking to believe in all revelations and Messengers before Qur'an and Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). But Qur'an also says in 3:19 – "The Religion before Allah is Islam (submission to His Will): Nor did the People of the Book dissent therefrom except through envy of each other, after knowledge had come to them. But if any deny the Signs of Allah, Allah is swift in calling to account".

Also in 21:25 – "Not an apostle did We send before thee without this inspiration sent by Us to him: that there is no god but I; therefore worship and serve Me".

Why Christians then not ready to see these verses and give own interpretation to 4:136….??.

Also Qur'an 29:46 never said not to argue with Christians (as you said). It says make it better than mere disputation. And Muslims believe what was revealed before it, but in its true form, which is Qur'an. That is why Qur'an uses the word "Muhaymin" in verse 5:48 saying - "To thee We sent the scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety: so judge between them by what Allah hath revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging from the Truth that hath come to thee. Qur'aan clearly says scriptures of book diverged from truth and not to follow their vain desires. This is applicable when the people of book (Jews and Christians) persuade to follow their vain desires. So you should judge the verse 5:46 and 47 in the light of subsequent verse, that is 5:48.

Also Qur'an severely reject Jesus crucifixion through verse, 4:157 – "That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:".

Also you repeat about the Triune God. Throughout the Old testament you can find God is One (Isaiah 43:10-11, Deuteronomy 4:39, Isaiah 45:18, Isaiah 44:6, Isaiah 45:6, Isaiah 45:22, Exodus 20:3, Exodus 34:14). When it comes to New Testament, Matthew 28:19, I Corinthians 12:4-6, II Corinthians 13:14, and Jude 1:20-21 as proof of the claim that God Almighty is three-in-one. Let us study them. But first, let us clearly define our goal. I ask for a verse wherein God is explicitly claimed to be "three in one," what I wanted was a verse that says something like "God, Jesus and the Holy Ghost are all gods, however, they are not three gods but one God," or "God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost are the same being," or "God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost are one and the same" etc.

Just because the words "God," "Jesus," and "Holy Ghost" might appear together in one verse does not mean this verse requires a "Trinity," or "merging of three into one." Even if this verse also contains the word "one" this still does not necessarily require a "Trinity." For example, if I say "Joe, Jim, and Frank speak one language" this is not the same as saying "Joe, Jim, and Frank are one person."

Whereas Qur'an clearly disagree this in 4:171 - O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of ALLAH aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of ALLAH, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in ALLAH and His apostles. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for ALLAH is one ALLAH. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is ALLAH as a Disposer of affairs".

I agree with all your verses from Bible saying to believe in Jesus but not as a God but as a messenger from Allah, the True God. In all those verses Jesus never claimed himself to be God. This is what I want to remind and remind you……!!!!.

Also remember Jesus will reject your claim in hereafter. Read Qur'aan 5:116 - And behold! ALLAH will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of ALLAH.?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden".

You said - Unlike Muhammad, who had swords made out of steel, and who wielded them often in battle, the Lord Jesus Christ didn't have a sword, and most certainly never wielded one in battle, nor, unlike Muhammad, ever commanded His followers to do so,

Now see some Bible quotations, Mathew 10:34-36, "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man's enemies will be the members of his household".

And in Luke 22:35-38, "But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one."

I quoted several other verses also in my previous replies. If Jesus Christ didn't have a sword, why he is instructing to buy sword…..??. Actually Jesus never meant what you claim him to be…

I still repeat, to maintain peace and stability in a society, use of force (sword in that time) is essential. Can you deny this….??. Jesus (peace be upon him) never been a ruler to his people, he remained a citizen in the Jewish ruled country. Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) also didn't take up sword while he was a citizen but as a ruler he had to do this duty. Being a ruler, you can find the same with other Prophets in your Bible itself.

Internet publications you mentioned are diverting people from truth. Their aim is to defame Islam and misrepresents it. I warned you with good intentions.

I did not find any problem with quote from Arabic scholar in Al-Azhar university. Yes, Jihad with sword is inevitable in certain circumstances and that I already clarified in my earlier postings. Regarding apostate also I wrote to you in the previous reply. What I will do if you don't read and reply for that…….(if you are not convinced)……..??.

Then your allegation that Qur'an is satanic as per Prophet's initial belief, a similar allegation put forward by the pagans of Makkah, that the Prophet (peace be upon him) received the revelations from Satan, the following verses were revealed: 56:77-80 - "That this is indeed, A Qur'an most honourable, In a Book well-guarded, Which none shall touch, But those who are clean:

A Revelation from the Lord Of the Worlds." Kitabim Maknoon means a book well guarded or a protected book, referring to Lauh-e-Mahfooz in the heaven, which none shall touch except the Mutahhareen. i.e. those who do not have any uncleanliness or impurity or evil like sin. This refers to the angels. The satan is absolutely prohobited.

Thus since it is impossible for satan to come anywhere close to it or touch it, the question of him writing the verses of the Glorious Qur'an does not arise.

It is further mentioned in Qur'an 26:210-212 - "No evil ones have brought, Down this (Revelation): It would neither suit them Nor would they be able (To produce it). Indeed they have been removed Far from even (a chance of)
Hearing it."

Many people have a wrong concept of satan. They think that satan can probably do everything, except a couple of things that God can do. According to them, satan is slightly below God in power. Since the people do not want to accept that the Qur'an is a miraculous revelation, they say that it is satan's handiwork.

1. If satan would have written the Qur'an, he would not have mentioned in the same Qur'an 16:98 - "When thou does read The Qur'an, seek Allah's protection from Satan the Rejected One."

Is this how you feel satan would write a book? Does he tell you; "Before you read my book ask God to save you from me?"

1. There are several verses in the Qur'an which will give enough evidence that satan is not the author of the Qur'an.

In 7:200 - "If a suggestion from Satan assail your (mind), seek refuge with Allah; for He hears and knows
(all things).

Why would satan tell his followers, that whenever he gives any suggestions to them, they should seek refuge in Allah to whom he is an avowed enemy.

1. In 2:168 - "O ye people! Eat of what is on earth, lawful and good; and do not follow the footsteps of the Evil one, For he is to you an avowed enemy."

1. In 36:60 - "Did I not enjoin on you, O ye children of Adam, that ye should not worship Satan; for that he was to you an enemy avowed?"

Satan is intelligent, no wonder that he can put this idea into the minds of people that he himself wrote the Qur'an. Compared to Almighty God, Satan is insignificant, and Allah is far more intelligent. He knows satan's evil intentions and hence no wonder that He has given the reader of the Qur'an several proofs to show that Qur'an is God's word, and not satan's word.

The Bible Gospel of Mark 3:24-26 - "And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand." "And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand." "And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end."

It is up to you whether to believe or disbelieve. But sure in the hereafter, no Jesus will come to rescue you if you assign partners to God.

Now I end this session with a verse from Qur'an. 18:29 says - Say, "The truth is from your Lord": Let him who will believe, and let him who will, reject (it): for the wrong-doers We have prepared a Fire whose (smoke and flames), like the walls and roof of a tent, will hem them in: if they implore relief they will be granted water like melted brass, that will scald their faces, how dreadful the drink! How uncomfortable a couch to recline on!

May Allah helps to understand and follow the truth (Ameen).

Shaji

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