to William

Submitted by tariq (United Arab Emirates), Mar 15, 2006 at 06:27

"I would like to take issue with Tariq's response entitled, "Islam the religion of peace does not allow this".
Plz do. i love debating

"The story of the student-turned-terrorist and Tariq's response clearly illustrate two of Muslims' greatest talents. First, this student illustrates the Muslim talent for infiltrating a society, scheming and plotting for years to murder as many innocent people as possible, and then declaring in the end that it was all for the sake of Allah and the "religion of peace". This, sir, is what the story of this student-turned-attempted-murderer is about. This is what 911 was about. This is what Muslim terrorism in general is about: Using openness, tolerance, charity, and humanistic values as a weapon for the spread of hateful ideology or for exacting bloody revenge against completely innocent bystanders for imagined crimes. And quite an effective talent it is."

Here you talk about muslims. so talk about their 'talents'. but you dont seem to realise that there are 1.2 billion muslims on this planet of all races. and that we should Quran.
So your statement "First, this student illustrates the Muslim talent for infiltrating a society, scheming and plotting for years to murder as many innocent people as possible," means nothing here.

"This is what 911 was about"
its not that simple

"This is what Muslim terrorism in general is about..."
As there is no such thing as muslim terrorism,this sentence and the whole para after is wrong.

"But your response, Tariq, illustrates a second talnet: the ability to draw absolutely absurd arguments meant to demonstrate how, in the end, Islam is really peaceful and good and all those Westerners are a bunch of terrorist barbarian hypocrites. Sir, I do not wish to belittle you or your beliefs. But understand, you are only fooling yourself and your fellow brainwashed believers with your arguments"

1.2 b muslim on this planet have more than a billion talents combined together. Islam IS peaceful.

"and all those Westerners are a bunch of terrorist barbarian hypocrites"
Not all.

"Sir, I do not wish to belittle you or your beliefs"
a lone human cant belittle the religion sent by god

"But understand, you are only fooling yourself and your fellow brainwashed believers with your arguments""
Argue some more. we'll see who is brain washed

"I suggest for that, for the good of all, you think hard before drawing ridiculous parallels meant to prove Western hypocrisy or that really, Muslims are just peaceful good neighbors like everyone else. If you and about a billion other people like you don't very quickly become a lot more open and clear minded on such issues, then we are in for some bloody times indeed. "
I am open minded. its your turn

"You ask, "Dont non-muslims kill? Iraq war, afghanistan, palestine..." I can't believe you wrote this in a reponse entitled "Islam the religion of peace does not allow this".
Y not?

Here you are, saying, "Islam is peace" and then basically saying, "His revenge is really no different than Americans taking out the Taliban.""
Dont put wortds words into my mouth. i said "Dont non-muslims kill? Iraq war, afghanistan, palestine..." to show that its not just muslims who kill. criminals are present everywhere, in every society. its just that wen a muslim does something UNISLAMIC, the whole western world blames Islam and the rest of the 1.2 billion followers. But when a christian murders 6 million jews in the name of cristianity... nothing. double standards. hypocrisy.

"As I said above, this student's story is one of a Muslim snake lying in wait for years to use a truck to crush to death as many university students enjoying a nice day as he possibly can."

the story of hitler is that of a christian killing SIX MILLION jews

"Iraq, Afghanistan, and the Palestinian territories are a completely, absolutely different species of animal"
What a way to defend american aggression!!!

"America invaded Afghanistan because they supported Bin Laden and other terrorists."
wheres the proof? i dont believe in confessions of a person trained and supported and armed by USA. especially wen he very conveniently accepts 911 wen the americans can aome up with no evidence, leading to attack in afghanistan, presence in Central Asia which lead to access to the ATLEAST 700 billion cubic meters of gas in tajikistan

"They shoot not to kill indiscriminantly, but to take out the guys pointing guns at us or planting bombs or executing school teachers who deign to allow little girls in their classrooms. "

I dont care HOW they do it. I care WHY they do it.

"And who's killing in Iraq? "
Almost every1

"I actually suspect that Americans are killing very, very few Iraqis at this point."
HA HAHA

"And the ones they kill, yeah, they're the ones who just launched a mortar shell or planted a bomb."
like the pregnant women killed in the radio station?

"We do not wish to kill civilians."
Then u are a FAILURE

" We just don't. We want the Middle east to be just like Japan or Germany after WWII."
by attacking and killing muslims? the best way to make us like japan would be to CHANGE YOUR FOREIGN POLICIES AMD MAKE IT FAIR TO MUSLIMS. dont abuse your super power status

"commerce. If one of our soldiers or citizens takes it upon himself to kill or even abuse someone, anyone, guess what, they're not exactly celebrated as heroes in the US. They're reviled. They go to jail."
Send bush to jail

"You can believe whatever you want, but we're not the ones cheering the religion of peace after the beheading of an infidel."
Neither are we, but the non-muslims-calling-themselves-muslims are

"What would be analogous to this student's actions? If an American soldier were to smile and wave to a crowd of Baghdad university students, then open up with his machine gun, that would be similar to what this Muslim kid in North Carolina did. "
Dont christians kill? answer in yes or no

"What would be even closer is if some random American tourist ran over a bunch of people in a park in Tehran and then said Jesus made 'em do it"
If this ever happens, ppl will say that that soldeir ws not christian. but wen a muslim does UNISLAMIC acts he is a muslim, and muslims are terrorists. hypocrites

"but I beg you to rethink the consequences of intentionally trying to see every act of Islamic terrorism as on par with US military action. "
there is no such thing as islamic terrorism

"but I beg you to rethink the consequences of intentionally trying to see every act of Islamic terrorism as on par with US military"
I know. and they have showed this by practically doing it, by bullying, but intimidating, and by ALWAYS having foreign policies which are unfair to muslims and F. policies which show the true face of christians

"Think about that for a second. Muslims like yourself are fond of saying the US "destroyed" Afghanistan and Iraq."
and u kill muslims.

"No, we didn't"
WHAT?!!!!!!. i'll believe u when u do the same to non-muslim countries and to yourself what u are doing to muslims

"Reflect on that a moment, then understand just what remarkable restraint and precision the United States has employed in taking down two regimes."
When the iraq war started for no reason, i read an article in newsweek(yeah the amrican supporting mag) tht a bunker buster bomb was dropped in an iraqi radio station. killing a pregnant women and a small hand was sticking out of her stomach. precision?! bunker busters are to be used against the taliban hypocrites in afghan mountains, not in decaying buildings

"The US greatly restrains itself in achieving its military goals" yeah right

"Afghans and Iraqis surely have died,..."
and for what? why?

"... but very rarely because an American soldier gratuitously killed them"
watch al jazeera.
the tally would open your eyes

"And when such cases occur, we all hope the perpetrators go to prison."
Send bush, and all those who voted for him to prison

"You may not see the distinction between the way the United States is fighting the war on terror and the way Muslim snake terrorists are, "
either u can be a muslim or a terrorist terrorising innocent ppl

"but we Americans see the distinction."
Hitler was a christian. dont u the distinction in ur blaming of religions? Dont you see the distinction in your treatment of muslim states.

ANSWER MY QUESTIONS
Should IRAN be allowed to have nuclear weapons(or other WMDs)?
Should USA be allowed to have nuclear weapons(or other WMDs)?!!!

"While we prosecute the war thinking, "How do we minimize the number of innocent casualties"
Y attack in the first place? for tajik gas and iraqi oil?

"your coreligionists think precisely the opposite."
my religion is Islam. first learn Islam.(and dont forget to learn christianity)

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