to pat and pc madness

Submitted by tariq (United Arab Emirates), Mar 28, 2006 at 10:29

to pat:
"Tariq, what you don't seem to understand is that we aren't in the mosque and no Muslim is going to take our word over an Imam who preaches violence. Why should he?"
if u would quote the quran and use authentic sources he would

"No matter how much you impart to us here, we can't argue it with another Muslim."
u can. still. it doesnt matter. i come here to remove misunerstandings as well.

"He'll always have a new verse or hadith to counter any point we make."
tell him that hadith could be fake. if Quran preaches peace and prohibits violence, then hadith wont do otherwise

"We haven't learned Islam as you have"
then stop criticizing islam.

"we don't have the same access to the mosque that you do."
i dont go to any mosque to learn Islam. i only pray there.

"It's up to peaceful MUSLIMS to teach Islam to anyone who has strayed. And you should do it before they don another suicide vest or rent another SUV."
First ask yourself y they hav strayed. it has to do with the behaviour of non-mulims towards muslims.

"You should be calling on your imams to condemn anyone who issues fatwas calling for the murder of people who speak their minds."
this has hapenned many times, but it does not make news, maybe because its not interesting.

"Islam is YOUR religion, not mine. It's up to YOU to preserve it, not me."
this is y i come here.


to pcmadness:
"I'm sorry, muslims such as yourself keep on saying here that we (non-muslims) should read about Islam to understand it."
unless u learn a religion how can u undersand it?

"I don't want to, nor should I have to."
correct, but then u shouldnt criticize it either.

"You are free to practice whatever religion you like."
thts right

"I don't and won't go quoting verses from the koran because I know nothing about it. "
good. tell ur christians friends that.

"been far too much preaching on these boards anyway. To the point where frankly I'm bored."
too much preaching? i have barely started...

"What I want to find out is why Islamists are not putting their house in order?"
wot is islamist?

"With modern media the most visible form of islam is the radical variety and it is frightening the majority of the non-mulsim population."
and whose media is the most watched media

"It has to be up to muslims to sort out their own dirty laundry rather than us trying to convince muslims that there is a problem that is getting worse day by day."
who caused that dirty laundry? US foreign policie did. and even if it didnt, still its not our dirty laundry. Osama saddam etc are not muslims, so we dont have to stop them, and if u think that we SHOULD then read ahmedinejad's statement:

"If you say it is true that you (Germany) massacred and burned six million Jews during the Second World War, if you committed this massacre, why should the Palestinians pay the price?" (Iranian President, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad)

Hitler was a chrisitan, so y should muslims pay?

"I don't know what a true muslim is, but when I see thousands on the rampage burning as they go, shouting anti western slogans and holding placards calling for beheadings I start getting concerned"
ever thought WHY they do it?

"How do we know who's a nutter and who isn't. It's up to you to root out the bad apples."
if a person is a terrorist, hes not a muslim

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