Another Perspective -Faqi

Submitted by Nero (Malaysia), Mar 29, 2006 at 23:43

Apologies for the delay and thank you for your rapt attention to diligently reply. Time is valuable & respectfully I shall reciprocate accordingly to parry on some of your points.

As for Hitler, like I said there are many ways to perceive it. True he was a core fascist yet to the Jew on Kristallnacht I doubt he found much shelter in the churches of Germany. If Hitler didn't manipulate the clergy as a front line in kicking out Jews on a religious platform applied decisively, that he didn't pull a religion card, then is the often compared, Hitler to the potential of Ahmadenijab (iran) a faulty link? Did Hitler not hijack the religion for political gain?

Wishy washy either way and detracts from some other points where you were both definitely wrong and definitely right, just as I.
I can't say I followed the Taheri case short of a quick read which in my perusal pointed to political frustrations but on second read to your additional quotes, you definitely hooped it.

As for digging scripture and pointing out the ‘go kill infidels' and implying its some mental directive so intense as you fabricate, then tell me why there's a synagogue in downtown Cairo and churches in Pakistan, temples in Malaysia. If 1.2 billion Muslims were out to oppress the western world, I don't think Pizza Hut would be operating in rural Saudi Arabia or World Wrestling Federation would have a following of 100 million kids in Indonesia.

As for the downloading of porn (which you were right to cite) it just proves to me more that it is not cultural war but bones of political contention that make the largest divide. As for that sample of loose cannon Koresh, he did think he was Christ along with many others he took hostage on that platform. I shall not apologise for Taheri and you should not apologise for Koresh.

Clarifying the 25% miscomm, my point is Arab & Semitic Muslims are only 25% of the global whole Muslim domain, that Saudi culture when attempted to import into Asia succeeds at a 1-2% ratio max. East Asian Muslims don't swallow Turkish culture either and neither will Iranians broker African Arab norms. Like a gay Episcopalian priest is going to have all the serenity of heart preaching his way in orthodox Serbia. It just doesn't happen.

As for apostasy, if Islam is so oppressive and can maintain 1.2 billion from walking away, what is its secret ingredient? 1.2 billion stay within the fold out of fear for their lives? Quite the opposite from what I see. Apostates are such a small fraction, nothing compared to those leaving Buddhism for Christianity or Christians leaving for other constructs. There's a thing called free will and to say the billions aren't adhering to Islam out of free will is a lark. Another simplification to conclude that ‘they're all stupid' is just as bogus to undermine human capacity for intelligence.

We all write stupid now and then so I'm not going to hold you down on this one but your quote "As for the blood of the Indian tribes in the US, they are still here, aren't they?" leaves much to be desired and likewise not on top of the hill, there are Jews in Iran, Christians in Egypt. True, Afghanistan is a pariah in the Muslim world -not the standard, but I wouldn't hold Christianity liable for that blemish, the Spanish Inquisition which brought such holocaust to the Central & S. America natives. On whose hands is that blood?
Talk about intolerance, you can throw Armenia and I can toss jerked up communism whose atheist kill rate supersedes Muslims murder tally for the past two centuries.

As for Indonesia, up to 19 million Christians live there so if one island of Ambon with 200,000 turns into a mess with 1200 people fighting each other, its tragic for both sides but keep it in perspective. 18 million Christians have been going about there business and yes, its an uphill battle against narrow minded different morays, but its not an alarmist sky falling type of situation. And Bali is mostly Hindu, their decades old reputation of fun deliberately protected by Islamic higher ups in government.

You think you know your enemy but you don't and your enemy doesn't know you well either. Truth is whether raging from rural madrassas or in western universities, the politics of fear are all the same.

You do your homework on the written collegiate stuff really well but facts on the ground are different and truth often lies between somewhere inbetween.

Thank you for your perspective Faqi
Shalom, Wasalam & God Bless-

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