Response to Mu'een Ud Deen

Submitted by faqi (United States), Mar 23, 2006 at 04:31

Mu'een Ud Deen, I am appalled by the accusations you have made in your post against the country that gave you succor. The UK is a secular nation, and they intend to remain a secular nation. In the UK, citizens of all faiths are free to practice those faiths and express their religious sentiments as they wish, consistent with their laws.

There is no law necessary to give extra protection to Islam. Really its the other religions, that need a law to protect them from Islam. Remember 7/7 where nearly 60 innocent civilians were murdered by Muslims and over 700 were injured in horrendous ways. I've frequently seen Muslims living in the west write as you have done in you post to say about 'our Muslim brothers and sisters & 'innocent Muslims in Chechnya' & Bosnia, Muslims here, Muslims there, here there everywhere.

Leftist sympathisers, and not just nutters like the loud mouthed member of parliament Galloway, have expressed sympathy with this viewpoint, for getting the Muslim vote.

Your idea of a separate law to protect Muslims is an utterly abhorrent and pernicious idea. It undermines the West's nation state, the main guarantor of human rights and, by undermining the idea of Muslims as (British) citizens, undermines the hard won rights (that British citizens), particularly (British) women have achieved. If Muslims, particularly Muslim women are encouraged to identify with the Ummah, rather than with their country, all sorts of consequences ensue, not least for women's rights. Muslim women living in the west have rights because they are (British). Islam itself would NOT give them those rights, it would take them away.
Another matter recently in the news in the UK was the case of the Jilbab. The British way of doing things - school uniform so no one feels different, a practical dress rather than an all enveloping sack - has been undermined by the jilbab case. This girl, led by her radicalized older brothers, and, despicably by Hizb ul Tahrir, has been sacrificed on the altar of multiculturalism and trans- nationalism.This is disgusting. Thanks, to the house of Lords who stuck it down.

Secular laws are the only laws that will ever be enforced by the (UK) state, and it is illegal for anyone to attempt to enforce laws drawn from other than the laws of the state. Muslims whose conscience does not allow them to live under such a system are free to find a country whose legal system is more consistent with their beliefs. No one invited Muslims to come and live in the UK. They are here of their own free will and no one is stopping them from leaving.

By their violent actions, Muslims are telling all the non-Muslims of the UK & the west that they cannot express their views even in their own countries, as it hurts or is likely to hurt Muslim religious sentiments. They are also telling them that they would be beheaded, if they dared to offend them by doing anything that is prohibited in their religion. The recent march in London and the placards that Muslims carried proves my point. Over 75% of Europe's Muslims are on some sort of government aid. Many are in Prison and jails because of crimes that they have committed not because of any suspicion. A few have been detained because of their activities like the seven now being tried for trying to set off explosives in crowded areas such as clubs, malls etc

The majority of Muslims have no loyalty whatsoever to Britain, their loyalty is to Islam and the vile teachings of the prophet. We are only kidding ourselves by giving them honours and titles hoping that would make them more British. Its only wishful thinking.

Sir Trevor Phillips had this to say recently " Muslims must accept that freedom of speech is central to Brutishness and should be preserved even if it offends people,"
The chairman of the Commission for Racial Equality (CRE) said we should "allow people to offend each other".And he suggested" that Muslims who wanted a system of Islamic Shariah law should leave the UK". I too suggest that, if you are so unhappy in the UK and you feel discriminated that you should leave and go to one of the Islamic paradises.

The vast majority of Muslim immigrants in the (UK) West have no desire to belong to, or become a part of the countries whose governments have given them the privilege to live with dignity and prosperity. This is why we find that such crimes as counterfeiting and embezzlement, are rife among Muslims in western lands. The most serious thing to observe is that a Muslim who resorts to counterfeiting and embezzlement does not experience any pangs of conscience, and is not deterred by any moral or religious impulse. On the contrary, he considers these countries that had opened their doors to welcome him, as lands of the Infidel; thus he has the right to commit such crimes within their borders!"

For example, many a European Muslims while living in the country that has admitted him, given him social security, and looked after his children by providing them with housing, food and free medicine; yet at the same time, he goes on bragging that he owes no allegiance to such a country, on the pretext that it is a non-Islamic land.

But foreigners passing through Arab and Muslim lands are expected to show respect for our traditions and culture. Is it then too much to expect a Muslim Living in the West to show more respect for the traditions of the societies that have given him shelter?

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