For z: Your reference is wikipedia? you must be kidding me! part one

Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Jul 28, 2006 at 18:38

And I find it funny when we proud infudels know more about the Arabic language than Muslims

1. There is a little invention called a dictionary or majam and a second invention called kitab al-nahw! Did you ever hear of these little inventions? And did you ever hear of the Arabic dictionary par excellence Lisan al-'Arab? And can you read Arabic? Wikipedia? you must be joking!

The words Islam and the word salam come from the same root SLM but they have nothing in common more than one common root and that is SLM period. Any Arabic speaker would be able to tell the difference between yusallam (he provides peace/greatings yufa3al) and yislam (he becomes a Muslim or yif3al) in other words we have two different Form verbs (and do you know what a Form verb means? Hint: Read Sibawayhe the father of the Arabic nahw) that have nothing in common except in the minds of pakistanis that know no Arabic or Arabs that have flunked Arabic grammar! ...As for wanting islam to be the religion of peace, I can only tell you: Dream on!

The word Islam only means: surrender to Allah period and has nothing to do with the word salam or peace (references Lisan al-'Arab and Hans Wehr pages 5452A and B and 426 A).

Now let us have an exercise here: Islam (to surrender to Allah), islami (islamic) , islamiya (islamism), muslim (he who surenders to Allah v.n).

Compare this with: salama (security, well being), salam (peace), saliim (un-hurt, free) , tasleem, istilam (receipt), Nothing in common with the word Islam except the common root..

In the english language let us say we have the root SN. Would you say that son and sun must be related and must mean the same? If you do not get this one you are really beyond help.

You need to read some serious Arabic grammar books and stop pretending to know something that is really beyond you.

2. As for the word Kafir: you wrote: actually kafir is "one who covers the truth" Could you provide us kuffar with a reference from a ma'jam ( I forgot that your Arabic is very defective) dictionary that is?

Then you wrote: "from the root Kufr"

My dear z there is no such root called Kufr. This is not how thre Arabic language root sytem works so are you a pakistani who knows no Arabic or are you an Arab that flunked his nahw classes? This comment of yours betrays your ignorance of the Arabic grammar.

The root is always only 3 letters period.

Now here is your home work: translate the following words from Arabic to english and then provide us readers with where each word belongs in the Form verb classification:

1. Kafr.

2. Yikfar. (or yif3al)

3. kafara (or fa3ala)

And yes I'm a proud kaffir!!

3. The word Jihad existed before Islam? Provide me with evidence that such word existed before Islam as in extant pre-Islaimc sources be it textual or coins or epigraphy and good luck.

Any one who knows Arabic knows the difference between the very different sets of words so ya ayuha al-faylasoof al-kabeer you tell us the differnece:

1. Yajtahid (m), tajtahid (f), yajtahidu (p), ijtihad (vn).

2. Mujahid (m), mujahida (f), jahada (vn), jahadu (p), jihad (vn).

This will be enough for now and more about salah (sic) ( and by the way the word supplication has always been: tawassul or mutadari3 ( see Liasn al-'Arab) nothing about salah (sic) ) and other sordid matters later, and there is going to be part deux. I will be waiting for your answer with great anticipation.

And no I have never been a Muslim and do not plan to be one ...

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