Secularism - a Turkish fairy tale

Submitted by Ianus (Poland), Nov 25, 2009 at 13:34

muslimkush wrote :

> As long suspected,mr erdogan showed his true colours of his islamist party.<

Not he , his country showed its true colours. You can't be 99,8% Islamic and pretend to remain 'secular'. Islam and secularism are mutually exclusive terms. That this was not recognized earlier shows how low today's logical culture has sunk.

> I wonder as to what the army is thinking and doing when the secular credentials of the country were diluted by islamist bigots.<

The army has defended always its own privileges first and not some mythical Turkish 'secularism'. It struck a deal with Erdogan. It retained all its enormous privileges (high wages, free housing, free health care etc. etc) in exchange for the promise not to stage the fouth coup d'etat. Fair deal. Turkey is a purely Islamic country so maybe the lie of secularism is no longer needed except perhaps by some Western or Westernized busybodies unaware of the situation on the ground ?

> Kemal Ataturk must be gravely ill in his grave.<

This notorious alcoholic would have a hard time now, I admit. Anyway, he started his career as a fully-fledged Moslem and a holy warrior of Islam - the ghazi, didn't he ? So we come back to where he chose the wrong turning. Everybody makes mistakes-even the super-Turk Ghazi Mustafa Kemal Pasha Ataturk despite a 3-year imprisonment for criticizing him.

> erdogan must be thinking that he would lead greatest islamic alliance to lead another ottoman empire so that they can spread islam into Europe in the way they spread into eastern europe and central asia by force by destroying Buddhist monasteries and stupas.Medieval turks even went to Hindustan to instal their slave kings,who destroyed hindu temples and converted civilized hindus into their medieval savage religion.<

What they are dreaming of is Turan - a Pan-Turkic empire on the ruins of Russia and Central Asiatic republics.

> Hopefully the turkish army will wake up soon to claim their secular credentials by invoking ataturk's doctrine to teach a lesson to islamist party and it is time too.<

I assert that these 'secular credentials' were from the beginning fake - a big lie and misunderstanding. Kemal the jihadist got a death fatwa from the caliph. He had to get rid of him and the ideology that gave him such power as to threaten Kemal with death and a civil war. There was no genuine idealism and realism in Kemal's choice of means and ways to make his position and life safe as was teh case in the case of reforms of Peter the Great's in Russia. It was his private war on his private enemies. After his death this war has become obsolete and only the mad personality cult of Kemal kept the appearances alive. The official militarist mythology in Turkey forgets to tell the whole story. But no one should reasonably expect truthfulness from Turks.

> Europe and Nato should keep their distance from present islamic republic of turkey and let the turkish army sort out the mess created by this islamist regime. <

Come on! This NATO has become a instrument of promoting and waging jihad. Just look what 'secular' states have been created by NATO on the Balkans -Bosnia and Kosovo! How can expect from this treacherous pro-Islamic organization to act aginst the Islamic Republic of Turkey? And the Eu is just Eurabia - the very caricature of what once Europe stood for !

> Israel need not worry about losing ties with Turkey as it is the most powerful militarily in the middle east.<

Yes, hopefully realism will prevail in Israel and a spade will be called a spade, although the previous record of Turkish-Israeli relations may as well suggest the myth will be preferred to reality there as well.

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