Ian, I challenge you to prove that I am ignorant of quran/Islam and was never a muslim

Submitted by Nazia (United States), Apr 10, 2007 at 16:57

Dear Ian:

It appears that you are an uninformed muslim or some one converted to islam by typically sanitized teachings , perhaps in prison.It is very hard for musIims to accept that a muslim will leave islam. Yes they do make leaving islam very difficult through persecution, death threats and scaring with hellfire. They even kill their children if they leave islam (google Mark Gabriel and read his strory) .They always accuse an ex-muslim to be a jew or a hindu in the guise of a muslim. Quran says"Kill the renegades (4.89). Mohammed said "if someone changes his religion kill him"

Bukhari:V4B52N260 "The Prophet said, ‘If a Muslim discards his religion, kill him.'"

Ian, I was born as a muslim 65 years back , I doubted it for a long time but left it completely few years back like Wafa Sultan , Ayan hirsi Ali, Taslima Nasreen and Nonnie Darwesh. Why are you surprised? Like an ex-muslim Mohammed above said, every muslim is guilty of subcribing to this violent cult because ignorance is no ecxuse (see Mohammed's post above)

I challenge you to debate with me here and prove that :

-I do not have understanding of islam or Quran.

-I was never a muslim.

I know Quran , like the back of my hands and have read sahih hadiths (there are six but most followed are Bukhari and Muslim) and the earliest siras by Ishaq, Tabari Saad and Waqqidi (maghazi) and tafsir e Khatir and Tafsir e jalalain to get chronology and context to understand Quran since it is a mumbo jumbo without chronology or context. Quran is full of contradictions, hatred and violence. It is full of silly stories and laughable statements about science and biology. Space does not permit me to expand on it. Here is what some of the great thinkers , philosophers and writers have written about quran after studying it:

REINACH

From the literary point of view, the Koran has little merit. Declamation, repetition, puerility, a lack of logic and coherence strike the unprepared reader at every turn. It is humiliating to the human intellect to think that this mediocre literature has been the subject of innumerable commentaries, and that millions of men are still wasting time in absorbing it." (Reinach 1932:176)

Mc CLINTOCK and STRONG

"The matter of the [Koran] is exceedingly incoherent and sen- tentious, the book evidently being without any logical order of thought either as a whole or in its parts. This agrees with the desultory and incidental manner in which it is said to have been delivered. (McClintock and Strong 1981:151)

COOK

The same story can be found repeated with small variations in different suras. When placed side by side these various versions often show the same sort of variation that one would find between parallel versions of oral traditions Again we are faced with another example of a book not written by a single author, but a book compiled later by a number of individuals (Cook 1983)

Al Kindi

"The result of all of this [process by which the Qur'an came into being] is patent to you who have read the scriptures and see how, in your book, histories are all jumbled together and intermingled; an evidence that many different hands have been at work therein, and caused discrepancies, adding or cutting out whatever they liked or disliked. Are such, now, the conditions of a revelation sent down from heaven?"Al Kindi (9^th century)

WANSBOROUGH

The Qu'ran is the result of a haphazard compilation by later redactors a century or more after the event . Qur'an, as we know it with all its literal and structural problems, could not have come into existence until 800 A.D. It is not a text which was handed to the world via one individual, but involved the work of various writers from about the ninth century (Wansbrough 1977)

AN ARABIC SCHOLAR

Qur'an is nothing but poor literature. It is a confused and confusing book that is poorly edited. It is full of mistakes in grammar (eg: ina hadhan lasahiran), synatx (eg: ina hadhan lasahiran again), and proper spelling of Arabic words (eg: qul). It is disjointed and poorly edited. And allah is in the habit of repeating himeself ad nauseum (eg: the two garden tradition). It claims to be written in 3Arabi faseeh when this is far from the truth. The Qur'an is full of foreign words (eg: Tur, and Rum from Syriac, Hawariyuun from Ethiopic, Zakat from Hebrew, Sarat from Latin) and strange words (eg: Ilaf, kalala, ababeel, sijeel) . It also claims to be kitab mubeen (eg: the case of those strange letters at the begining of some suras) which is very far from the truth as you cannot really understand the Qur'an without reading the commnetaries and most of what such commentaries porvide is bogus. So much for a kitab mubeen.

There are 511 passages of injustice, 384 of intolerance, 320 of cruelty and violence, 46 insults to women and just 60 passages of morally acceptable principles. (Rippin 1985-54)

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