Hassan, Islam is violent since Mohammed preached violece in Quran and and practised it in real life and history is witness

Submitted by Mohammed (United States), Apr 16, 2007 at 15:44

Dear Hassan:

I was born as a muslim and named Mohammed but you,perhaps, by giving yourself a name Pierre ,are trying to pose as a convert to impress readers.

Like I said You can practise your sanitized islam and sanitized interpretation of quran only in a kafir country, where you can pick and choose what you want. In your islamic utopia and a sharia country you will be declared an apsotate and heretic and lynched by muslims for denying hadiths.. Dont you know under sharia laws , muslims are supposed to kill apostates because that is what Mohammed did. Ask any knowledgable muslim he will confirm it. 4.89 has backing from hadiths and history that is why it is part of sharia. You may say what you want but I come with evidence. Here are some hadiths:

Bukhari:V4B52N260 "The Prophet said, ‘If a Muslim discards his religion, kill him.'"

Ishaq:550 ". The reason that Allah's Messenger ordered Andullash Bin Sad slain was because he had become a Muslim and used to write down Qur'an Revelation. Then he apostatized (rejected islam) after becoming suspicious of some verses which prophet changed after his suggestions.

Ishaq:551 The Messenger ordered Miqyas' assassination because he became a renegade by rejecting Islam."

Bukhari, 5-59-632 Once Muadh paid a visit to Abu Musa and saw a chained man. Muadh asked, "What is this?" Abu Musa said, "(He was) a Jew who embraced Islam and has now turned apostate." Muadh said, "I will surely chop off his neck!"

Bukhari Volume 9, Book 83, Number 17:

Narrated 'Abdullah:

Allah's Apostle said, "The blood of a Muslim cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and

leaves the Muslims."

BukhariVolume 1, Book 11, Number 626:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "No prayer is harder for the hypocrites than the Fajr and the 'Isha' prayers and if they knew the reward for these prayers at their respective times, they would certainly present themselves (in the mosques) even if they had to c awl." The Prophet added, "Certainly I decided to order the Mu'adh-dhin (call-maker) to pronounce Iqama and order a man to lead the prayer and then take a fire flame to burn all those who had not left their houses so far for the prayer along with their houses."

Above sources are accepted by mainstream muslims. If you dont, you are an apostate.

You wrote:

"Had all of you are wise and broad-minded enough you will discover the truth that the said verses 4:89-90 and 9:1-12 were revealed to Prophet Muhammad during the time of war between the defensive muslims and the agrresive disbelivers".

Where did you read your history man? Did you write it yourself? You appear to be a hadith denying submitter with your own interpretation of quran. Quran is without context or chronology since it is a mumbo jumbo and self serving ayas cooked up by Mohammed and written down and manipulated many years later. Right or wrong, the only available original and earliest history is from Ishaq Tabari, Sad , Waqqidi and sahih hadiths. This is what they say:

Mohammed in the last 13 years of his life was involvoved in 75 + raids since he earned his living through looting and robberries by r unanounced raids on trade caravans and peaceful communities .He also carried their women and distributed among themselves, Mohammed getting 20 % of all booty including captured women, and raped them. There were only three cases where Mecca people organized and challenged Mohammed because he was raiding their caravans, Badar, Uhad and Trench . Thus all his conflicts were offensive . Please do not try to pull wool over reader's eyes . Mohammed was only meek and defensive in Mecca where he had few followers . All Meccan ayas are very comprising. When in Madina Mohammed (aka Allah) allowed robbery as livlihood (booty) and sex with captured women as halal, arabs started joing him and converting in droves. Of course many were in it for booty and captured women. To those Mohammed (Allah) referred as hippocrites and wanted them killed. Read these hadiths:

BukhareeVolume 5, Book 59, Number 512:

Narrated Anas:

The Prophet offered the Fajr Prayer near Khaibar when it was still dark and then said, "Allahu-Akbar! Khaibar is destroyed, for whenever we approach a nation ( to raid), then evil will be the morning for those who have been warned." Then the inhabitants of Khaibar came out running on the roads. The Prophet had their men killed, their offspring and woman taken as captives. Safiya was amongst the captives, She first came in the share of Dahya Alkali but later on she belonged to the Prophet .

Bukhari yol 3,Book46, No. 717

"Narrated Ibn Aun:
Prophet had suddenly attacked Bani Mustaliq without warning while they were heedless and their cattle were being watered at the places of water. Their fighting men were killed and their women and children were taken as captives; the Prophet got Juwairiya on that day.

"Sirat e Rasulullah" by Ishaq, pge 464

After 800-900 male adults of Bani Quraiza were beheaded in batches, and thrown in trenches dug in Madina, the apostle divided their property, wives and children as booty. . He took Rayhana d. Amr b. Khunafa for himself.

Bukhari Volume 5, Book 59, Number 447:

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:

Sad said, "Kill their men and take their women and children as captives, "On that the Prophet said, "You have judged according to Allah's Judgment,"

Prophet took Rehana as his share of the booty.

(Ref: Waqqidi, Tabari)

A fifth of the booty was, as usual, reserved for the Prophet, and the rest divided. From the fifth Mahomet MADE CERTAIN PRESENTS TO HIS FRIENDS OF FEMALE CAPTIVES AND CHILDREN. (Ref Waqqidi, Tabari, and Ishaq)

Mahomet had part of his share of enslaved women and children from Quraiza sent and sold to the Bedouin tribes of Najd , in exchange for horses and arms.

The History of Tabari, vol 8, pge 29-30

From his share of captive women, prophet gave his son-in-law, Ali a slave girl, Raytah bt Hilal to enjoy her at his will. He also presented Uthman b. Affan, his son-in-law, another slave girl Zainab b. Hayan, and bestowed another girl (name unknown) to his father in-law Omar Ibn Khattab. Omar gave that girl to his son Abdullah. Most of Prophet's other elite companions received slave girls.

Many open minded muslims keep their mouths shut because islamists kill them. But lately many muslims are daring to speak openly, like Dr. Wafa Sultan, Ayan Hirsi, Taslima Nasreen, Nonie Darwesh ,Walid Shoebat, Dr. Mark Gabriel, Dr Taufiq Hamid, Dr Ibn Warraq, Dr. Younus Shaikh, Anwar Shaikh, Dr Tasbih Syed, Dr Ali Sina (concealed on internet) and many more, risking their lives from islamist killer.

You may deny above hadiths and history but you submitters believe in the fairy tales and self serving ayas of Quran as Allah word ranted by Mohammed,( who lied killed , robbed and and raped) without a single witness but deny hadiths islamic history witnessed and chronicled by pious scholars of much better character than Mohammed.

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