"dhimi no more|" is simply poor command" of history!!!

Submitted by Hassan Pierre (Philippines), Apr 22, 2007 at 06:03

Poor "dhimmi no more" said: "Our dear Hassan al-tablighee realizes that he has no clue about reading history, and more so the history of the Middle East in the late antique period and early Islam. He tells us that the Arabs translated such work which is bogus. He did not realize that it was Christians in the Middle East that translated the Greek learning...."

What can i say is that i really cannot help you in improving your comprehension ability and the art of understanding the point of your opppnent in a debate!!! You know, you always misquote and misinterpret me!!!!! Now i will tell you that i am already fed up of your nonsense...

In all my posts (please review them if you want) - I had never said that the Arabs did translate the greek works but what i said and the very point of my argument is that unlike the christianity in the West(the Roman Catholic) the Muslims encourage learning and search of knowledge that is why the muslims had commisioned the people who knew greek to translate the works of the greek for the Muslims to study them!!!

It so happened that those who knew greek are eastern christians so they are the one being commisioned by the Muslims to translate!!!!! As I said, i fully agree with you that the Arabs are not the translators but eastern christians, because the Arabs that time did know yet the greek language let alone to translate greek works!!!!

poor "dhimmi no more" also said: "Then he had the audacity to tell us but non of those that translated the works were Catholics, but he did not realize that there were hardly any Catholics in the Middle East at the time.

Yes i know that Catholics can hardly be found in the East, but my point is that to awaken the baseless diatribes of western/european christians in their accusation that Islam is allergic in advance sciences and technology or modernity, Islam is stagnant and have no contribution in civilization!!! So my point is that how come they said that if they have the so called dark ages in history and forbid people to study greek works how much more to translate them? Get my point? What can i say is that you are chutzpa!

the poor fellow also said: "Then when he is told that it was jews in Spain and not Muslims that translated the Greek learing to Catalan and then _Catholics_ translated it to Latin, I did not hear a word from him.Then when I told him that the copy of Hunein's translation of Ptolemy's "Tetrabiblos" is not in an Arabic speaking country but it is at the Laurentian Library in Florence. I did not hear a single word from him."

Simply that comment of yours is not worthy of response! Shame on you! That comment above shows your half-cooked knowledge in history and will actually not support your point in denying the Arabs as no contribution in civilization! For your information, it is not only the original greeks being translated in europe but also the great works of Muslim scholars including Arabs and Persians!!!! Do you know that???? Shame on you of being not aware of that fact from history! Your comments above will also support my main argument that the role of the eastern christians like hunein are just mere translators, not of those who studied and improved the translated greek!!!!! So Hunein have no works or books of his own but experiment and study in the field of mathematics, chemistry, medicine, geography, astronomy, etc,,, but just a copy of his own translated greek by Ptolomy! So hunein is just a mere translator right? Thanks for suporting my point. shame on you!!!

poor "dhimmi no more" also said: "Then he tells us but how about all those Arabs (sic) that contributed to the Islamic (sic) civilization and he meant to talk about those Arabs and their works? Well almost all of them were cultured Iranians and Mesopotamians, and for sure not Hijazi Arabs...|"

By his desperate move to malign the Arabs and denied them of any contribution in civilization had again exposed "dhimi no more" as very ignorant and have no command of history! He did not know that during the Golden age of Islam from 7th to 12th centurries, the place we now called Iraq is not being called by its ancient name "mesopotamia" and he is totally have no any knowledge of the fact that the people living in Bagdhad, Basra, Kufa, Karbala and all the places that constitute what is now Iraq are almost Arabs specially in the capital Bagdhad!

Even now the people in Iraq are almost Arabs!!!All history books and encyclopedias honestly wrote about the biographies of many Arab scientist and mathematicians during that time yet poor "dhimi no more" have no knowledge of that!!!! shame on you!!!

Now in his deceitful tactics perhaps he now realized that there were indeed Arab scholars and scientists whose works were being studied by the european scientists that leads to the renaisance of dark ages europe - is now resorting into specifically calling those kind of Arabs as "Hijazi Arabs" as if it will support his arguments. he is not aware that the scientist and scholars coing from the place he called "mesopptamia" are all Arabs!!!! shame on you!!!!

But instead to support it rather exposes his ignorance about the history of Islam and the whole middle east!!!!Perhaps he is ignorant of the fact that there is urbanized/civilized Arabs and there is bedioun/ignorant Arabs. Before he is ignorant of the fact that Hijaz is part of the middle east!!! Now he is ignorant again of the fact that almost Arabs living in Bagdhad or Basra or the whole Iraq are just comming from the Hijaz particularly from the cities of Mecca and Medina and all those arabs who migrated from the Hijaz to iraq are all civilized Arabs not bedoin!!! The Arabs just simply immigrated in that place when it was conquered by the Muslims and most of all when Bagdhad was declared as the capital of the Abbasid Caliphate!!! In fact caliph Harun Al-Rashid and his son who commisioned the project of translations and all of the Abbasid family are coming from the Hijaz!!!! The Abbasid who ruled Bagdhad are just a decendants of an Hijazi Arab called ibn Abbas!!!! In fact almost all the decendants of Prophet Muhamamd had also migrated from the Hijaz to Iraq!!!!!

poor "dhimmi no more|" also said: "And then babbles about Europe being in the dark ages. When he is told this might be true, and I can also argue that without the Greek civilization there would have been no Islamic civilization, I did not hear a word from him."

Actually i already commented many times about the said point and now i will repeat again for "dhimmi" to understand! Yes, perhaps it is true that if no pagan greek civilization, we have no Islamic civilization, and of course if we have no Islamic civilization we have no christian/european civilization!!!! It is base from the fact that if Muslims have the same attitude with the Chrsitian West who are in the campaign of burning books of the pagan and forbidding the study of sciences then the pagan achievements in the field sciences will be totally lost from us and all of us will be on total dark ages!!!!

So "dhimmi no more" you should study and improve your history and logic for you to have any sense at all!

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