Should Muslims stay permanently in non-muslim countries -- reply to TAJ (USA)

Submitted by Romesh Chander (United States), Apr 17, 2008 at 17:02

Taj:

I will comment on each portion of your post. However, let me state at the outset, your arguments, as usual, are self-serving. However, any muslim will re-interpret the same thing under different circumstances, if re-interpretation serves his interests or hurts the interests of his opponent.

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You wrote "According to muslim scholars, muslims should live only in muslim countries permanently

Perhaps according to some, but there is no such consensus, and the example of Muhammad and early Muslim emigration to Ethiopia belies such an opinion - as do various hadith and scholarly consensus that Muslims living in non-Muslim lands must abide by the rule of the land as an islamic duty.". ---

Oh, come on. Muhammed never went to Ethiopia himself. When he left Mecca, he went to Medina, was involved in dawa and wars for 10 years till he returned to Mecca; 2 years later he was dead.

However, he did send his followers to Ethiopia for converting those christians and conquest. Permanent residence if conquest succeeded, which succeeded only partialy. Ethiopia is about 50% Coptic Christian today.

Regarding muslim scholars' advice, talk to Saudis; they will not allow their citizens to live in kaffir countries permanently; and rarely any saudi lives in a kaffir country (unless he is a dissident). And you won't find stricter muslims than Saudis.

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You also write "Millions of Muslims call the US "home", and aren't going anywhere, and nor do they want to...time to let go of the "go back to your own country" argument, especially where is hardly applies".

Simply because millions of people call US as their home does not mean that they are theologically correct. Moreover, they call it home because US Government let them in; but then US Government is not in the business of interpreting Islamic theology.

As usual self serving argument; essentially arguments of a bad muslim.

I am assuming you are a muslim immigrant or a US born child of muslim immigrants. But, I bet, you people never cared to do a theological analysis when you decided to move to US; all you worried about good life when you decided to move to US; you never thought about religion when you got visa to US.

So, Taj, find better arguments which convince people. Some of us are fairly knowledgable; you cannot BS us.

Here is mine. I go where my bread is buttered (and people let me in that place/country). When I find that my bread is no longer buttered, I move to another place (if they let me in). I worked in Saudi Arabia (made some money), was an immigrant to Canada (did not find good opportunities), and now I am living in USA.. Too old to move anywhere else. Moreover, cannot find any reason for moving elsewhere either.

Yes, it is unislamic for muslims to stay in kaffir countries. And you won't deny it if you were a good muslim.

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