Taj: What are you sure of about Islam?

Submitted by Plato (India), May 2, 2008 at 06:00

Taj, you write:

>> I would beg to differ with your opinion - first in attempting to compare my statement to whatever made by whatever communists - which, by the way, is certianly arguable regarding it's rationale...<<

You can differ from my opinion. What is arguable about the rationale of what I have said??

>>I am not sure my claim raises any such question, but if it does, I don't see how it relates to my points...As to why "guidance" was restricted to only those four - I am not sure this is a valid question. The term comes from a hadith (Ibn Dawood) but does not necessarily restrict guidance to them as much as it bestows an honorific upon the first for khalifah...<<

Taj, this is what you had written:

"What about the fact that there is no country in existence that is ruled by islamic principles of justice and faith or without dictators and despots or economic and political fairness? "

You are claiming that there is not one country ruled by Islamic principles after 1400 years of Islam and nearly 50 Muslims majority countries in existence. Does this not throw up the ‘the question why muslim country majority countries are unable to throw up governments that rule by Islamic principles.'

And you are entirely wrong about Islam requiring any of the conditions you mention except faith in Allah. Let me show you why.

1. JUSTICE: Is it justice to have a society which discriminates based on gender. Women are a degree below men 2:228. Does chopping off a thief's hand even for stealing something like a shield or rope strike you as justice?

2. DICTATORS: Bukhari Vol 9, Book 89 No 251 "Allah's apostle said, ‘Whoever obeys me, obeys Allah, ………., and whoever obeys the ruler I appoint, obeys me, and whoever disobeys him, disobeys me."

3. DESPOTS: The prophet had old men and a nursing mother murdered for criticizing him. Muslims continue to practice this despotic principle to this day. (Farag Foda, Theo van Gogh).

4. ECONOMIC FAIRNESS: Is it economic fairness to allocate only half a male's share in inheritance to females based on the specious plea (by modern apologists) that men have to take care of females and family expenses?

5. POLITICAL FAIRNESS: Allah has ruled out political fairness forever from Muslim countries by giving them a special status in His eyes. He sways in 3:110 Muslim are "the best of people raised up for mankind". Is it fairness to impose a special tax on unbelievers with the apologetic plea that they are exempt from serving in the army? Should they not be given an equal opportunity to defend their country?

Can you, Mr. Taj, give us an example of any country that is or was ruled by principles of Islamic fairness?

I will not quibble about the rightly guided part but can you assert without reservation that there was proper democracy during the time of these rightly guided caliphs?

>>Why go to a so-called Muslim country based simply on the fact that Muslims are there?<<

Let us not go to a SO-CALLED Muslim country. Name for us one country which is truly Muslim after 1400 years of the existence of Islam.

>> I also disagree here...Islam is a religion that stands on its own merits.<<

It would have helped if you had mentioned some of Islam's merits. To bring in the communist example again, Marx said that in the ideal communist state the state should eventually wither away and should follow the principle of ‘from each according to his ability and to each according to his needs'. What principle could be more beautiful than that? It beats anything that Islam or any religion has to offer.

Should not communism stand on its own merit rather than its followers like Lenin, Stalin, Mao or Pol Pot did?

Regards

Plato

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