Reponse to Nura

Submitted by Straight_Talk_Luigi (United States), Jun 23, 2008 at 16:04

Just so you know, I am "you people."

I am so tried of these tired arguments. You want to free Middle Eastern women by killing their children? Ask the women of Iraq who have lost their children if they would rather live under Sadam or have their children back.

Better to die on our feet than to live on our knees? Some feel that way, Nura.

Which would you chose? I am mother and I would not chose Western freedom over the life of my child.

Maybe if you lived outside the USA in a place like Iran or Saudi Arabia, you'd think twice before saying that. Are you taking your freedom that was made for you by the blood of others for granted?

Why don't we start with the women who are being brutalized in this country. Check the stats on the rape and murder of women in this country. The statics of spousal murder and abuse, despite laws and democracy.

How many girls and boys have been abducted and sexually abused, killed, tortured in this country? I have studied the statistics and it's horrific.

Then share some numbers with us! One is too much, of course, but it happens all the time in the Islamic world, it's just not reported. That's not even counting all the Muslim men who rape first and second generation immigrants and native European women.

It is because of the teachings of Mohammed (ISLAM) that this happens. One clinic in Oslo, Norway, can't even keep up with all the rape victims because recent Muslim immigration has increased the sexual crimes so much.

In most of the Islamic world these crimes are virtually unknown.

REPORTED crimes, PROSECUTED crimes are unknown. Why? Because women, like YOU, are regarding as inferior. If you were raped in say, Pakistan, your testimony means nothing compared to that of a man. If you even reported it, you would put your life on the line. In Iran, you'd be stoned for adultery and your male rapist would go free.

The West cannot fix its own social issues which are boiling over the pot.

That's because of post-modern liberalism, but Muslims all over the world support them, because you see them as the weaker party, and you want the West to be weak. Muslims don't support conservative values because it makes jihad and dawah harder.

So, Islam is to blame in part as well.

Let's not forget that the Middle East as you refer is relatively new on the map is regards to states.

We've had dealings with the Middle East ever since our country came into existence, thanks to the Muslim pirates.

It's like criticizing the Iraqis for social concerns in their country when the country was destroyed by the West.

The country was destroyed by Saddam Hussein and the Baath Party. The West has given Iraqis hope, but I guess some of them would just rather live a life of mischeif and war anyhow, again, because of orthodox Islam.

Do your really expect seven years later for them to do what it took this country hundreds of years to do?

It didn't take long for Japan and Germany to get going after huge defeats in WWII.

What's wrong, Nura, no faith in the Iraqi people?

You WANT them to fail?

Remember the Wild West and slavery?

Slavery from Africa was started by Muslims, and remember, we weren't a country until 1776. Slavery was outlawed less than a 100 years later.

We didn't stop lynching blacks in this country until what the late 60s?

We still don't have it right because this country has one of the largest crime rates in the world!!! Along with one of the worst histories of human rights.

Both of those statements are completely false. Amnesty International has countless pages on human rights abuses in the Muslim world and China and Russia that FAR exceed anything America does.

The Middle East as states and not the one Caliphate that it was, is only about 60 years old!

Talk to the EU about that. Those lands were colonized after Muslims tried to invade Europe through Vienna.

The West destroys nations then criticizes them for not being civilized.

I have lived in a Muslim country for about a year and I have not witnessed repressed women looking for a way out.

Then why are they all fleeing to Europe, Canada and Austrailia? If Muslim countries are so great, why does Iran have problems with all the professionals and educated people leaving for the West? Why does this happen in every Muslim country? Why did you come back to America if you felt so oppressed here?

Keep your sympathy for yourself and the plight of women in this country.

I especially sympathize with the women in the West who are oppressed and raped by Muslim men.

Attacking Iran would be an unprovoked aggressive act.

Maybe. Some, well, okay A LOT of Iranians would welcome it.

There are Jewish Communities that live well there, they even have their own hospital, secret be kept. All of you warmongers will talk much until you see the results on your door step. When YOUR children die.

I know what' that is like. We lost children on 9-11. 7-7 and 3-11, all because of orthodox Islam.

If Israel attacks Iran, it will plunge this world to the point of no return. We will all feel the aftermath.

I know, I would feel safer without a nuclear Iran. Radical Muslims have no business handling nuclear facilities. Responsible use of them by such delusional minds is dangerous.

THIS IS NOT A MOVIE!

You're right, it's not. If you like it so much in your Middle Eastern country, why did you come back here? We don't need people like you in America, Nura. If you don't like it here, leave. and take all those Hollywood liberals who said they'd move out in 2004 if Bush got re-elected.

Really, we have no shortage of Catholic Germans, Hispanics and Filipinos who want to come here. Your knowledge and skills can be replaced easily.

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