Thanks, the better I know Jesus

Submitted by Straight_Talk_Luigi (United States), Jun 26, 2008 at 20:27

and His teaching in the New Testament, the better off I shall be.

Another Christian call to Christianity when who exactly practices Christianity these days? I'm sure that many people who call themselves Christian are damned according to the Bible.

Christians practice Christianity, not pagans. By believing in Jesus we give ourselves a chance, because Jesus will mediate between God and man. Mohammed will not do this.

According to what Jesus spoke. Contemporary Christianity is nothing more than paganism.

I would say not. If anything, Islam is based on paganism. I'm sure you've heard of the illa statues and the moon cult?

How do you good Christians support a country that is trying to bring the Anti-Christ to Jerusalem?

Who's "you good Christians?" I don't support everything the USA does, Nura. I have no idea what you mean about the anti-Christ coming to Jerusalem.

Does it not say that many Christians will be deceived by the anti-Christ system and the anti-Christ himself?

Oh, I get it, you think the end of the world is happening now? Well, they thought the same thing 500 years ago....

Jesus teaches us "There will be many will come in my name and they will deceive many."

I wonder why, foreign policy maybe. Who has the Mark of the beast? Muslims?

Well, strength is not measured by land or technology alone. The apathetic parts of the West are weak compared to the strong determination of the mujahideen for world control.

But I really have no idea. Your references seems to be from Revelation, and that is little understood by me.

Suppose you believe that Islam is the anti-Christ. Just go back and read revelations and tell me if Muhammad or this religion fits the description. Then look at the West and what is going on in the Middle East and tell me who is capable to misleading the world to Satan. Muslims? Who follows Islam but Muslims?

I have no idea who or what the anti-Christ will be, or what that even means. Revelation is full of symbolism.

I do know that the Vatican was semi-serious at least about investigating whether or not George Bush was the anti-Christ over the Iraq War. Pope John Paul II at least figured it was worth a look.

My Church teaches that Muslims actually can be saved, since they believe in the God of Abraham. Yet, it would be best for all to accept Jesus as Lord and Saviour. That is the best chance we have of going to heaven, Nura. If you do not accept Jesus, then you run the risk of divine Judgement and will be held accountable for every single sin. Only perfect souls may enter heaven.

When I look at the Middle East, I see massive persecution and suffering and the effects of sharia law. I see Muslim leaders telling their people to have even more children, as though they will be able to eat and drink the sand if the water runs out, for the purpose of becoming numerous to conquer the world.

Nura, the Middle East will soon no longer be able to sustain itself. All Europe has to do is shut its doors and all for them will be lost in civil war.

The Muslim world is not capable of being the lead institutor of the anti-Christ system which we are already living in. Who is trying to impose democracy and secularism on every nation in this world? Who has the "Armies of peace"? Another feature of the Anti-Christ system. Answer these Questions carefully.

I answer all questions carefully, and I think you underestimate your religion, Nura. I see the power of Islam growing.

Impose democracy and secularism? FORCING others into something often has the OPPOSITE effect, something your brethern in Islam will soon learn in a very harsh manner unless they stop the jihad against the West.

There's a couple things you ought to recognize:

1) The attack on Afghanistan was self-defense. You've talked about the UN on here. It is just under the UN Charter. This wasn't about spreading democracy or secularism.

2) The Iraq War---wasn't about spreading democracy and secularism. Why? First of all, Saddam was a SECULAR leader! Second, the decision was made based on bad intelligence about WMD's from Egypt, the UK, CIA and the Kremlin. What were the chances that all of them were wrong?

It Saddam who brought this, Nura, because he bluffed the world that he had WMD's and he didn't.

In a previous post, you complain that the Iraqis lack civil infrastructure. Why do you think the Americans are still there? For the sunshine? No! It's to help train police and get the infrastructure, that other MUSLIMS are BLOWING UP to make BUSH look bad!

Don't you get it, Nura? There is no collective Muslim unity. You have Muslims who are secular and refuse to wear hijab. Then, you have zealots who kill their own children in Iraq. They don't care, as long as the good of Islam is put first.

It is mostly Muslims who are suffering in Iraq and Afghanistan at the hands of other Muslims. Not Christians, not Jews, not the big bad West, okay? It's Islam that is brining them down.

Let's see, Afghanistan is an Islamic Republic by the choice of the people. Are you saying you liked the Taliban better than President Karzai?

Not exactly on par with Western values, especially secularism.

Iraq is a sovereign state. There are no ands, ifs or buts about it. If you, other Muslims or liberals don't like it, fine, but they now govern themselves and the Americans there are guests of the Iraqi government. That is a fact and legal documents prove it.

If you want to know what will bring secularism to every corner of the Middle East, it will be suppression. The people will find ways to look at secular things. You cannot control people, Nura. The harder you try, the worse it will become.

This is happening not so much because any one state wishes it for Islam, but because of internal strife among Muslim nations with suppressive sharia law.

When are you going to stop blaming the West and take responsibility for your own? That is my question to Muslims.

There are no "armies" of peace. The UN has what are called peacekeepers, but the tight-nip rules they have make any mission in the modern world utterly useless.

Of course, sharia law is the ultimate example of imposition and subjugation. You say that Western ideals are the anti-Christ. Much of what occurs in the West is evil, yes, but don't think for a moment that sharia law purifies it any. In some cases, it makes things much, much worse.

Looking at Saudi investments and the rise of Islam in Europe and Ontario, I'd say it's Muslims who are ready to do the imposing.

Let me give you a few examples:

President Mahmoud Ahjaminehad of Iran: Islam will rule the world

A Palestinian poster on Y! message boards: In two generations we will own the EU

On Robert Spencer's jihadwatch: We will marry Western women while the whole time remaining loyal to jihad....We know that NBC, CBS, ABC, BBC and PBS will say Jews kill children, Islam is religion of peace......We will continue to say that jihad means inner struggle.......Must suck for you in the West.

Of course, it could have been a hoax, but it's pretty much what the Islamists think.

So, Nura, who is preparing to conquer who?

What this is all about, Nura, is you reasoning your way around the facts (As Fritz Hollings would say) to make the West look bad and Islam look good. It doesn't matter what the facts are, the Qu'ran commands you to shoe-shine the image of Islam no matter what Muslims do.

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