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Submitted by Fazal Habib Curmally (Pakistan), Oct 8, 2010 at 01:50

Greetings Canadian Chris,.

At long last a thinking person who hits the problem on the head.

Forgive me Canadian Chris if I go into the matter in some depth.

By the time the 1950s rolled around, the world was in a state of flux.It was after 1956, that the USA after president Eisenhower's chastising England France and Israel over the Suez canal fiasco and the Cuban Revolution of Fidel Castro and Che Guevara. Both events were the beginnings of the anti colonial way of life that had shaped the 19th century. There was a last attempt to bring about forced change by invasion in the Bay of Pigs failed invasion of Cuba by the US Government sponsored Cuban expatriates. This was then overshadowed by the Cold War. We flirted with Communism but it never took root because it was Godless.

But it was at Cancun where the world was thought to have become a Global village so to say. It was a very important change that came about. fast communications due to satellites in space. Overt colonialism was replaced by covert colonialism and then replaced by making the World Safe for Democracy. Try and understand how we saw what was happening.That there was a tearing apart of the Muslim nations of the world and much thought was given as to where where they fit in to the scheme of things that was coming about.. Whilst America and the West preached Democracy, we had their stooges or in other words our rulers who were present at that time, had to be acceptable to the West.

By the mid 1970s, most thinking Muslims who thought on the matter had given up on the West and had decided on an Islamic identity instead. I was one of them. We were no longer subjects of foreign powers overtly but covertly. We were not citizens but subjects of our rulers and our bureaucracy who in turn were backed by the West. The world was being run and was structured by 5 countries in accordance with the best principals of the time immediately after the WW II and with the coming of the UN. As we saw it we were backward and had not become equals but junior partners in the greater scheme of things and were once again drawers of water and hewers of wood. We had been enslaved raped and devastated by the colonials ad here was colonials without a whip but doing nearly the same thing in a different way. We were never to be free under the present scheme of things because.the world was geared to replacing physical domination by a domination of the mind.

So , we were under a constant state of siege and thought the only way to get back our freedom was not talking because the West would throw precedents at us which was not representative of us barring the Universal Declaration of Human Rights especially Article 8. But other that that the UN Security Council, the Treaty of Non proliferation of Nuclear Weapons or examples were Treaties of exemption. Five Countries were exempt from many restrictions that were applicable to us. There was no option but to close our minds and take the West on because they didn't have place for us in their scheme of things.

So from the mid 1970s, in one form or another 1.5 billion Muslims were angry people. As we closed our minds the West closed their minds about who or what we were it was as if a chasm had opened up between us. We talked and went ha ha at the right moment with the West but deep down there was a rage. It was 1979 that really became a watershed year for us. Ayatollah Khomeini overthrew the Shah of Iran, then there was the Soviet Invasion of Iran. The attempted seizure of Mecca by Revolutionaries who claimed to be the Mahdi. Then there was the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Iran called the USA the Great Satan and laughed though most Muslims didn't think much of Khomeini we cheered him because he was speaking our thoughts. Then came the Satanic Verses and with it an attack on Islam.

It was here that a more violent split occurred. making fun of out Prophet is akin to undressing our Mothers Sisters and Wives in public and discussing them. It was shameful and degrading. It was the final straw that broke our back. First it was enslavement of the body and now it was to be the enslavement of the Mind. No sir we were not willing to sell our souls. Anything that had Islam attached to it was to be protected right or wrong. By the time 1990 came around Khomeini had passed on but his Revolution held and the Soviet Union was out of Afghanistan and was breaking up and finally Salman Rushdie was still under the Death threat. It was considered to be a time that Islam had come to stay and start again once more. The seed planted in the mid 1970s had sprouted. It had to be nurtured. Then came Osama Bin Laden and he stood the world on it's head, whether it was Somalia, Chechnya, Bosnia,Afghanistan or 9/11.

Now comes the important part. Do we agree with Osama Bin Laden. Most say no but once again the fact that Islam is associated with him Some will stand with him if push comes to shove. Why? Because the West thinks nothing of ridiculing everything in the name of plurality of culture or whatever. If that is enlightenment, then it is for you. We don't want any part of it and will fight if we have to. better to die once with your head held high than to live on scraps like a dog.

Canadian Chris, I have tried to give you a concise view of the World as we see it. Tolerance has gone out of the window a longtime ago. You in the West see Islam as a threat. We have become a threat because we started to speak for ourselves and we don't want to fight you. Everyone has a right to belief of his or her choice and a right to this Earth. Today we have forgotten this. I'll give you two more examples.

My country Pakistan is a most favoured non NATO ally.for the ISAF or NATO troops in Afghanistan and a conduit for their logistics. Today the USA wants to Pakistanize the war and that would mean us have our troops in Afghanistan and it would help America exit from Afghanistan with honour. But we are not at war with Afghanistan. Our policy is to recognize any Government in Kabul. We have given shelter to millions of Afghans on our soil and are still hosting million plus Afghans after 30 years. The USA thinks nothing of crossing borders so we stopped their supplies and asked them to apologize for killing our troops. They did. But was it necessary? Do you get what I/m saying? the second example is 9/11. What happened then was sheer horror and unforgivable horror. Why did it happen? This has not been sufficiently answered. Was Osama Bin Laden who is the allegedly behind it a madman? I don't think so. I believe the real crazies are in the USA and I'll tell you why. 0/11 caused 2730 casualties. Iraq that was invaded on false pretenses caused the USA to take over 5700 dead and roughly 30,000 wounded. Afghanistan is around 1500 dead NATO troops and God knows how many wounded. Which is a greater number 2730 or the casualties you suffered. let us not count the faceless Iraqis and Afghans here? The USA have cut their nose to spite their face.

The real problem is, when Iraq invaded Kuwait which was historically a part of Iraq, it put the northern part of Saudi Arabia under threat. Kuwait had asked Iraq to pay back some of the funds it had borrowed to fight Iran. Now the Saudis had planned the same thing and felt they were next. Osama Bin Laden offered his help but was told " But Osama there are no mountains in Iraq" and asked the USA for help. The USA didn't finish the job in 1990-91 and the Saudis learned you didn't need mountains to fight another type of war. Musab al Zarqawi gave a violent example of this type of war in Iraq and there are others who are doing the same. Subsequent to the USA's troops being stationed in Saudi Arabia, Osama bin Laden who was stripped of his Saudi nationality, read his famous second fatwa calling for the expulsion of foreigners from the Land of the Two Holy Places. I think because I'm not sure about the date if this fatwa,it was probably in 1998.That is how it all started.

So minds are closed, you have the Neocons and the the Tea Party bloc in the USA. You have your various assortment of leaders. barring Germany's Chancellor Angela Merkel in the West, who somehow don't want Islam in Europe. Its too late for that so they are trying to sanitize them like what Sarkozi has done in France. You will breed more hate not overtly but covertly.

Life goes on with the world divided into two camps. The West who see a new enemy and does not understand him and we see an old enemy who up to his usual tricks. In all this we have learned lessons that you probably have not. Become like the enemy and understand him. Become a child of many cultures so you can defend yourself better. If you think I'm joking, consider if you will. The 19 suicide bombers were all Western educated in western schools and collages. Not one had studied in a Madressa. Whilst the West insists that madressa education breeds violence. I really don't know where the western intelligensia get these ideas from?

WE believe the measure of a man is the Laws of God and not man is the measure of man as the secular world believes once we overcome this major point of difference we will have peace, Until then, like you, I want an equitable peace that accepts me and my beliefs. I want to see my children and grandchildren in a safer world. We become giants by standing on each others shoulders. Let us build bridges that enable to flourish on this Earth there is enough for all of us. Let us accept each other for what we are and have the courage to see where the future takes us. The alternative is war. We will fight and die rather than see Islam being degraded.

Best Wishes

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1peace train,really? [25 words]gemNov 14, 2010 02:35179819
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1Thank You [36 words]Tom DundeeNov 12, 2010 10:37179112
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1U.S. Government and Rushdie Rules [17 words]aspaciaOct 5, 2010 20:37179015
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1I have a suggestion for your "outrage" ... [200 words]kmanOct 5, 2010 23:05179001
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1Dueling Fatwas [130 words]Fazal Habib CurmallyOct 5, 2010 10:02178984
2At the moment I hate ISLAM [27 words]aspaciaOct 5, 2010 20:39178984
6Pathetic attempt to label Islam only a "religion" ... [45 words]kmanOct 5, 2010 22:47178984
9a wide range of targets... [125 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanOct 6, 2010 02:51178984
the Grand Infidel is correct again [17 words]Truth SayerOct 6, 2010 19:42178984
2Not as tolerant as we used to be??? [342 words]CanadianChrisOct 6, 2010 20:17178984
1Dueling Fatwas -Reply to aspacia [53 words]Fazal Habib CurmallyOct 6, 2010 23:34178984
Dueling Fatwas- Reply to the Grand Infidel of Kaffiristan [230 words]Fazal Habib CurmallyOct 6, 2010 23:54178984
Dueling Fatwas- reply to kman [297 words]Fazal Habib CurmallyOct 7, 2010 00:23178984
2Hypocrite [48 words]aspaciaOct 7, 2010 19:58178984
1Lying is condoned in Islam [11 words]aspaciaOct 7, 2010 20:13178984
5I don't need any books from the Saudi funded school University of Berkely, "Fazal" ... [321 words]kmanOct 7, 2010 20:22178984
"Islam" is a NOT just a religion ... [18 words]kmanOct 7, 2010 20:30178984
1Here is a "custom" of your "religion" out of the Hadith Book 008, number 3371: ... [269 words]kmanOct 7, 2010 20:47178984
Dueling Fatwas [1786 words]Fazal Habib CurmallyOct 8, 2010 01:50178984
4no religion is higher than truth [193 words]the Grand Infide of KaffiristanOct 8, 2010 03:45178984
12quaint customs [1091 words]the Grand Infide of KaffiristanOct 8, 2010 06:05178984
7The word Jihad means holy war and get over it [202 words]dhimmi no moreOct 8, 2010 07:01178984
Historical Error. [44 words]aspaciaOct 8, 2010 18:07178984
Duyeling Fatwas [330 words]Fazal Habib CurmallyOct 8, 2010 22:38178984
Dueling Fatwas -Reply to aspacia [176 words]Fazal Habib CurmallyOct 8, 2010 22:51178984
Dueling Fatwas-Reply to kman. [300 words]Fazal Habib CurmallyOct 8, 2010 23:13178984
Dueling Fatwas-Reply to kman. one more time. [136 words]Fazal Habib CurmallyOct 8, 2010 23:25178984
Dueling Fatwas- Reply to the Grand Infidel of Kaffiristan [275 words]Fazal Habib CurmallyOct 8, 2010 23:44178984
Dueling Fatwas- Reply to the Grand Infidel of Kaffiristan [142 words]Fazal Habib CurmallyOct 8, 2010 23:56178984
Dueling Fatwas-Dhimmi no more. [13 words]Fazal Habib CurmallyOct 8, 2010 23:59178984
Dueling Fatwas-Reply to kman.Umpteenth. [40 words]Fazal Habib CurmallyOct 9, 2010 00:04178984
1Just look how kind and peaceful muslims really are [97 words]James ThomasOct 9, 2010 07:12178984
3Do not blame us kuffar you can only blame your islamic sources [227 words]dhimmi no moreOct 9, 2010 17:17178984
4Genital mutilation and Islam [611 words]dhimmi no moreOct 10, 2010 08:41178984
2You, "Fazal", are the one who claimed Islam was only a peaceful religion ... [26 words]kmanOct 10, 2010 19:05178984
1I have much more than "read a few books" ... [457 words]kmanOct 10, 2010 19:28178984
FGMFGM [104 words]btillyOct 10, 2010 21:57178984
Dueling Fatwas [80 words]Fazal Habib CurmallyOct 11, 2010 00:12178984
Dueling Fatwas -Reply to aspacia [11 words]Fazal Habib CurmallyOct 11, 2010 00:18178984
Dueling Fatwas reply to Kman's last reply [191 words]Fazal Habib CurmallyOct 11, 2010 00:54178984
2paradise lost [1116 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanOct 11, 2010 04:43178984
4the comedian [286 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanOct 11, 2010 05:03178984
2The word Jihad means holy war [60 words]dhimmi no moreOct 11, 2010 06:43178984
3Our dear Fazal and the islamic sources: the message and the messenger [147 words]dhimmi no moreOct 11, 2010 07:03178984
1Fazel [241 words]aspaciaOct 11, 2010 07:16178984
Fazel [24 words]aspaciaOct 11, 2010 07:18178984
7Let us have a deal [285 words]dhimmi no moreOct 11, 2010 08:11178984
1Sure, "Pazal", I'll relax while "taqiyya" covers up the true nature of violent jihad. I haven't made the least bit of "fun" of your virulent religion ... [529 words]kmanOct 11, 2010 16:43178984
1You flatter yourself "Fazal" why still evading the issues. [303 words]kmanOct 11, 2010 20:25178984
Dueling fatwas -reply to kman [494 words]Fazal Habib CurmallyOct 11, 2010 23:52178984
Dueling Fatwas- The Grand Infidel of Kaffiristan [140 words]Fazal Habib CurmallyOct 12, 2010 00:09178984
Dueling Fatwas- The Grand Infidel of Kaffiristan [453 words]Fazal Habib CurmallyOct 12, 2010 01:02178984
Dueling fatwas -reply to Aspacia [65 words]Fazal Habib CurmallyOct 12, 2010 01:09178984
Dueling fatwas -reply to Aspacia [628 words]Fazal Habib CurmallyOct 12, 2010 01:51178984
6Curmally: Islam is a problem and everyone but Muslims knows it [1237 words]PlatoOct 12, 2010 14:03178984
islamic paradise [63 words]btillyOct 12, 2010 18:32178984
Fazai Habib Curmally [1137 words]aspaciaOct 12, 2010 20:16178984
You proved me correct [6 words]aspaciaOct 12, 2010 20:21178984
3Curmally: Do you judge the morals of your prophet by seventh century standards? [339 words]PlatoOct 12, 2010 23:36178984
So, "Fazal", still playing obtuse. I know you don't need proof for yourself, but hope to play to the audience ... [1105 words]kmanOct 12, 2010 23:59178984
Dueling fatwas -reply to kman [300 words]Fazal Habib CurmallyOct 13, 2010 03:52178984
Dueling fatwas -reply to Plato [306 words]Fazal Habib CurmqllyOct 13, 2010 04:15178984
2phantom [1326 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanOct 13, 2010 04:42178984
2But islam is really the religion of the Arabs only [193 words]dhimmi no moreOct 13, 2010 07:29178984
3Om Habiba and Muhammad and female genital mutilation [72 words]dhimmi no moreOct 13, 2010 07:36178984
3FGM is in the hadith! It seems that Muhammad recommended it and performed it! [117 words]dhimmi no moreOct 13, 2010 07:45178984
2I'm sorry for you, "Fazal", that you cannot read critically or objectively ... [276 words]kmanOct 13, 2010 21:06178984
CURMALLY: Murdering critics of the Prophet is sunnah [812 words]PlatoOct 13, 2010 22:04178984
Dueling fatwas -Final Reply to kman. [464 words]Fazal Habib CurmallyOct 13, 2010 23:14178984
Dueling fatwas -Final Reply to Aspacia [14 words]Fazal Habib CurmallyOct 13, 2010 23:18178984
Dueling fatwas -Final Reply to the Grand infidel of kaffiristan [140 words]Fazal Habib CurmallyOct 13, 2010 23:41178984
3The miners in Chile and the victims of the floods and the bombing of the Shi3a and Sufi mosques in Pakistan! [129 words]dhimmi no moreOct 14, 2010 07:30178984
Dueling Fatwas -reply to Plato [663 words]Fazal Habib CurmallyOct 14, 2010 23:21178984
Dueling Fatwas -reply to kman [260 words]Fazal Habib CurmallyOct 14, 2010 23:47178984
Curmally: Mocking beliefs of others is a Muslim speciality [1077 words]PlatoOct 14, 2010 23:50178984
2...believing an illusion to be truth will not help you in the long run. Wake up and smell reality. [795 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanOct 15, 2010 02:45178984
4Our dear Fazal ...Prof Schoeberlein! For the readers read and laugh [312 words]dhimmi no moreOct 15, 2010 06:53178984
2Minorities in Pakistan are well treated! Really? [159 words]dhimmi no moreOct 15, 2010 07:00178984
2Islamic hypocrisy [115 words]dhimmi no moreOct 15, 2010 07:09178984
2Curmally: You claim not to be a thug. But then why do you follow one? [392 words]PlatoOct 15, 2010 08:25178984
1Curmally: The only freedom that has been taken away from Muslins is the freedom to keep slaves [1059 words]PlatoOct 15, 2010 11:10178984
"Fazal", I am quite familiar with CAIR ... [778 words]kmanOct 15, 2010 13:17178984
Sorry, accidentally hit "send" before finished ... [175 words]kmanOct 15, 2010 13:28178984
Dueling Fatwas -reply to kman Final Reply [83 words]Fazal Habib CurmallyfOct 16, 2010 00:26178984
Dueling Fatwas -reply to kman - Re your repy about CAIR [456 words]Fazal Habib CurmallyOct 16, 2010 01:14178984
Dueling Fatwas -reply to The Grand Infidel of kaffiristan [162 words]Fazal Habib CurmallyOct 16, 2010 01:26178984
Dueling Fatwas -Reply to Plato [518 words]Fazal Habib CurmallyOct 16, 2010 02:14178984
You have gathered yourself well, "Fazal". I commend you, now. [853 words]kmanOct 16, 2010 03:19178984
3The Qur'an is a book written in Arabic and you need to read it in Arabic [517 words]dhimmi no moreOct 16, 2010 08:17178984
Victims of islamic imperialism [37 words]dhimmi no moreOct 16, 2010 08:24178984
2CURMALLY: Would an Insan al Kamil keep slaves, marry a six year old or torture and kill for money? [641 words]PlatoOct 16, 2010 12:24178984
1CURMALLY: Accepting Islam is committing cultural hara kiri. [722 words]PlatoOct 16, 2010 12:31178984
2CURMALLY: Islam has to earn respect not have it bludgeoned into us [688 words]PlatoOct 16, 2010 12:42178984
CURMALLY: Which Muslim has the freedom to worship as he wishes? Even a Mughal prince was decapitated for hobnobbing with Hinduism [1349 words]PlatoOct 16, 2010 12:57178984
1More fantasy from no other than Fazal [54 words]dhimmi no moreOct 16, 2010 15:58178984
Hmm, common ground "Fazal" ... [803 words]kmanOct 16, 2010 20:47178984
Dueling Fatwas- reply to Plato [1354 words]Fazal Habib CurmallyOct 17, 2010 02:18178984
Dueling Fatwas- reply to Plato once more [351 words]Fazal Habib CurmallyOct 17, 2010 03:00178984
Dueling Fatwas- reply to Grand kaffir [478 words]Fazal Habib CurmallyOct 17, 2010 03:35178984
1More funny Arabic [280 words]dhimmi no moreOct 17, 2010 07:08178984
1I smell a fatwa! [300 words]dhimmi no moreOct 17, 2010 07:32178984
2ayat al-jizya revisited aka the mafia tax verse! [1134 words]dhimmi no moreOct 17, 2010 08:34178984
1CURMALLY: On who maligns other people's religions and the hate taught in Pakistani schools [3189 words]PlatoOct 17, 2010 11:16178984
1The Armenian Genocide and those who deny it and shame on them [214 words]dhimmi no moreOct 17, 2010 19:51178984
Cherry picking time and you need to stick to urdu our dear Fazal [268 words]dhimmi no moreOct 17, 2010 20:02178984
back to fatwas [736 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanOct 18, 2010 02:50178984
Islamic comedy big time [497 words]dhimmi no moreOct 18, 2010 07:54178984
CURMALLY: Thank you for your clear admission (confession?) that Islam is NOT a religion of peace, that it desecrates idols Part I. And about pulling legs Part II [2112 words]PlatoOct 18, 2010 10:02178984
1CURMALLY: Thank you for your clear admission (confession?) that Islam is NOT a religion of peace, that it desecrates idols Part I. And about pulling legs Part II [2437 words]PlatoOct 18, 2010 10:07178984
1CURMALLY: You seem to switch your identity between Pakistani and Muslim. [1136 words]PlatoOct 19, 2010 09:34178984
to fazal [109 words]pjmOct 19, 2010 10:00178984
to fazal [63 words]pjm6321Oct 19, 2010 10:04178984
Dueling Fatwas- reply to Grand Kaffir [243 words]Fazal Habib CurmallyOct 19, 2010 22:27178984
CURMALLY: And about pulling legs Part II. Addendum [119 words]PlatoOct 20, 2010 00:06178984
Your interpretation sought on 4:34 [137 words]PlatoOct 20, 2010 00:13178984
Dueling Fatwas- reply to Grand kaffir -Final [167 words]Fazal Habib CurmallyOct 20, 2010 00:34178984
Dueling Fatwas- reply to Plato-Final [76 words]Fazal Habib CurmallyOct 20, 2010 00:40178984
3truth needs no defence 2 [628 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanOct 20, 2010 05:39178984
More cherry picking [115 words]dhimmi no moreOct 20, 2010 18:32178984
ayat al-radrb or beating your wife verse and how disgusting [240 words]dhimmi no moreOct 20, 2010 18:49178984
Dueling fatwas [605 words]Fazal Habib CurmallyOct 21, 2010 00:07178984
1once again.... [800 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanOct 21, 2010 04:28178984
and again - once again.... [767 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanOct 21, 2010 05:10178984
CURMALLY: In the motherland of Islam diya for a woman is half a man's. We reform our religions, Muslims refuse unless forced. [4258 words]PlatoOct 23, 2010 00:08178984
1Our dear Fazal and the hadith literature [110 words]dhimmi no moreOct 23, 2010 07:47178984
Q4:34 and beating women [128 words]dhimmi no moreOct 23, 2010 07:59178984
spending their time looking for legal loopholes in islamic law? [597 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanOct 23, 2010 20:42178984
3More Islamic comedy and this time the Hebrew prophets Jesus included were really Arabs! [186 words]dhimmi no moreOct 24, 2010 08:16178984
Dhimmi no more - thanks! [55 words]PlatoOct 24, 2010 12:03178984
1Curmally: Correction [78 words]PlatoOct 24, 2010 21:27178984
Duelling fatwas -Rep;ly to PLATO [825 words]Fazal Habib CurmallyOct 25, 2010 00:32178984
Duelling fatwas -Reply to the Grand Infidel of kaffiristan. [142 words]Fazal Habib CurmallyfOct 25, 2010 00:43178984
2The Quranic stoning verse oh the glorious ayat al-rajm? It was eaten by a hungry goat! This is what the islamic sources tell us [283 words]dhimmi no moreOct 25, 2010 18:18178984
More gems from Fazal [426 words]dhimmi no moreOct 25, 2010 18:34178984
1been to Lebanon? Good for you [694 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanOct 26, 2010 05:57178984
2Brooklyn and the girl! Self hate and other sordid matters [423 words]dhimmi no moreOct 26, 2010 07:04178984
1CURMALLY: The Hanafi law you follow demands death or subjugation of all infidels. You sinned in dining with your Hindu teacher. [2842 words]PlatoOct 26, 2010 23:42178984
in response to [24 words]abdussalamOct 30, 2010 16:57178984
1the meaning is what is important - not ethnicity of the writer. [147 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanNov 1, 2010 04:34178984
Another victim of Arabian and Hijazi imperialism [86 words]dhimmi no moreNov 1, 2010 07:19178984
1abdussalam: Can the language of Allah be understood only by Arabs? [125 words]PlatoNov 1, 2010 21:52178984
Dueling Fatwa - Response to Fazal Habib Crumally [49 words]Gus JacobsDec 26, 2010 16:21178984
Dueling Fatwa - Response to Fazal Habib Curmally [144 words]Fazal Habib CurmallyDec 30, 2010 10:08178984

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