Forget about the pope, look at the intolerance of Mohamad

Submitted by Jan (Belgium), Sep 26, 2006 at 17:10

My dear Tariq,

The problem with Islam is that its founder Mohamad only got his new religion really started when he used violence to force other people to believe what he believed. And the violence he used was unseen in his time. There is ample encouragement or jusitfication for violence in the Quran:

2.193 "And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression."

8.39 "And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all that they do."

Try to show me the beauty and tolerance in those ayahs. Maybe I am missing the point. Maybe fighting means something else than physical violence? Please educate me.

You can argue what tumult and oppression might mean. However it seems clear to me that "if there is no faith in Allah altogether and everywhere", a good muslim needs to fight. You are obviously a bad muslim! Alhamdu lillah!

Well let's see what the Hadith has to say about this? Will some peaceful meaning come out?

In the first book of Sahih Muslim, Faith - IMAN, Chapter 9 tells the following:

Chapter 9: COMMAND FOR FIGHTING AGAINST THE PEOPLE SO LONG AS THEY DO NOT PROFESS THAT THERE IS NO GOD BUT ALLAH AND MUHAMMAD IS HIS MESSENGER

There are 7 hadith with the same message:
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Book 001, Number 0029:
It is narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that when the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) breathed his last and Abu Bakr was appointed as his successor (Caliph), those amongst the Arabs who wanted to become apostates became apostates. 'Umar b. Khattab said to Abu Bakr: Why would you fight against the people, when the Messenger of Allah declared: I have been directed to fight against people so long as they do not say: There is no god but Allah, and he who professed it was granted full protection of his property and life on my behalf except for a right? His (other) affairs rest with Allah. Upon this Abu Bakr said: By Allah, I would definitely fight against him who severed prayer from Zakat, for it is the obligation upon the rich. By Allah, I would fight against them even to secure the cord (used for hobbling the feet of a camel) which they used to give to the Messenger of Allah (as zakat) but now they have withheld it. Umar b. Khattab remarked: By Allah, I found nothing but the fact that Allah had opened the heart of Abu Bakr for (perceiving the justification of) fighting (against those who refused to pay Zakat) and I fully recognized that the (stand of Abu Bakr) was right.

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Book 001, Number 0030:
It is reported on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah, and he who professed it was guaranteed the protection of his property and life on my behalf except for the right affairs rest with Allah.

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Book 001, Number 0031:
It is reported on the authority of Abu Huraira that he heard the Messenger of Allah say: I have been commanded to fight against people, till they testify to the fact that there is no god but Allah, and believe in me (that) I am the messenger (from the Lord) and in all that I have brought. And when they do it, their blood and riches are guaranteed protection on my behalf except where it is justified by law, and their affairs rest with Allah.

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Book 001, Number 0032:
It is narrated on the authority of Jabir that the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded that I should fight against people till they declare that there is no god but Allah, and when they profess it that there is no god but Allah, their blood and riches are guaranteed protection on my behalf except where it is justified by law, and their affairs rest with Allah, and then he (the Holy Prophet) recited (this verse of the Holy Qur'an):" Thou art not over them a warden" (lxxxviii, 22).

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Book 001, Number 0033:
It has been narrated on the authority of Abdullah b. 'Umar that the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer, and pay Zakat and if they do it, their blood and property are guaranteed protection on my behalf except when justified by law, and their affairs rest with Allah.

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Book 001, Number 0034:
It Is narrated on the authority of Abu Malik: I heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) say: He who professed that there is no god but Allah and made a denial of everything which the people worship beside Allah, his property and blood became inviolable, an their affairs rest with Allah.

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Book 001, Number 0035:
Abu Malik narrated on the authority of his father that he heard the Apostle (may peace be upon him) say: He who held belief in the unity of Allah, and then narrated what has been stated above.

The Prophet is just confirming my worst expectation of what is written in the Quran. And IMAM MUSLIM classifies this under the chapter IMAN, so I guess that he thought it was important, as important as praying and fasting.

THOSE HADITH ARE OBVIOUSLY A THREAT TO ALL NON-MUSLIMS BECAUSE THEY DO NOT BELIEVE IN ALLAH.

Maybe you may say that you respect other people's beliefs but this is against the teachings of your prophet. To bring people to Islam, if necessary by force, is way more important that respecting other people's beliefs. After they accept Islam, you can start to respect them.

Brother, Islam does not mean peace, it means submission!

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