Re: Plato

Submitted by salman (United States), Jan 8, 2007 at 16:57

>> Dear Salman,

I notice that you have not replied to either me or dhimmi no more on the free will issue, one showing you how your scriptures themself demolish free will and another how logically there can be no free will if an all-knowing Allah is lurking around in the universe or outside.

Do you know why it is so frustrating debating Muslims. They are stuffed full of madrassa reasoning, history, science. And sadly since this madrassa learning starts from a tender age most of it gets hard-wired into their mental circuits. Rewiring their mental circuits is almost an impossible task. (But we must keep plugging away).

One fact which I have noticed is that since they believe, and I expect it is a sincere belief for them, that their scripture is god-given and their prophet god-inspired there can be nothing wrong or unreasonable about them. They will believe against the weight of logic, history and reason that what they have been taught is the truth. It is very distressing for them to find a cruel and capricious god, a prophet whose personal behaviour is questionable by most moral and ethical standards. To cover up they invent all kinds of what they consider are sophisticated explanations, but which to others seem not only bizarre but also extremely convoluted. They will try to make logic, history and reason fit their beliefs however much they have to play with the facts.

In another blog I found a Muslim who said the Banu Quraiza were judged by a Jew (he had no clue about Muslim history), the sun both moves and is stationary (science turned upside down to fit his belief),

They come on to these blogs thinking that they have the unassailable truth in their possession (an illusion created by the under-educated Mullahs in their madrassas) only to find a crumbling foundation under their feet. It is then amusing to see them scrambling desperately to hold onto their beliefs by clutching at factual, logical and historical straws to keep their belief structures afloat.

I am keenly awaiting your answer, Mr. Salman, to see how Allah can wriggle out of this logical conundrum of being a Being that can see the future and also creating people with free will. Is there any way apart from declaring your faith that Allah can both see and not see the future, like the gentleman from another blog claiming that the sun moves and moves not? That gentleman has fallen silent now. I hope you will not also go silent.

And this question, let me tell you, has been around almost since the day a monotheistic all-knowing god was invented. Even among the ancients there were many who could poke holes in this monotheistic god theory and such people almost always went to their graves early as they do even now in monotheist lands.

Sincerely

Plato <<

Excuse those of us who work for a living and don't have an as much time on our hands as others appear to.

I have stopped replying to dhimmi's comments as reading that person's replies kills my brain-cells. I can feel myself getting stupider as I read his/her one-track thought-process laid out in text.

As for your issues about debating with Muslims, I assure you that the issue isn't localized to any one religion or any one geographic area.

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