Jahanzaib and the context of the quran

Submitted by jan (Austria), Dec 30, 2006 at 07:45

Dear Jahanzaib,

Here is a late response on your message.

I would first like to say that all my writings are backed up by islamic sources which are the Quran, the Hadith of Bukhari and Muslim and the sirah by Ibn Ishaq, Tabari and Ibn Sa'd. I have all of these books at home and for searching the mentioned hadith and the quran I use the website of the MSA, muslim student association of America which I think do not hate Islam. I encourage people to read those sources as well.

YOU WROTE:

"... here are the translations of ayyah 2:189-2:193 and tell me how does it sound to you? are these ayyah suppose to mean oppress some one or are they mean do not be opperessed and especially ayyah you refferd is in the case when some one oppresses you fight them back and we call it jihad, i dont know what you call jihad.. here is the translation

They question you about the phases of the moon. Say: 'They are seasons fixed for mankind and for the pilgrimage.' Righteousness does not consist in entering your dwellings from the back. The righteous man is he that fears god. Enter your dwellings by their doors and fear God, so that you may prosper. Fight for the sake of God those that fight against you, but do not attack them first. God does not love aggressors. Slay them wherever you find them. Drive them out of the places from which they drove you. Idolatry is more grievous than bloodshed. But do not fight them within the precincts of the Holy Mosque unless they attack you there; if they attack you put them to the sword. Thus shall the unbelievers be rewarded: but if they mend their ways, know that God is forgiving and merciful. Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme. But if they desist, fight none except the evil-doers. (189-193)"

MY REPLY:

Do you see absolutely no aggression in the following parts?

Idolatry is more grievous than bloodshed.

Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme.

Those parts indicate that muslims are already aggressed when there is idolatry or when Islam is not the dominant religion and this is a reason to kill and be killed. So being aggressed for a muslim is not what is typically understood by Western people as being physically attacked or threatened. If somebody tells that the Prophet was a liar, you as a muslim are aggressed and you have to kill him. That's what the Prophet did himself with people who insulted him. If they did not repent by becoming a muslim, he had them killed when he got the first chance to do so. Insulting the prophet is "rewarded" by the death penalty in Pakistan, in line with the Quran and the Hadith.

YOU WROTE:

now you may have noticed one ayyah? if you did not let me single out it for you
"Fight for the sake of God those that fight against you, but do not attack them first"

MY ANSWER:

I will copy the answer that I have given in another posting:

2. CONTEXT OF 2.193

Muslims who are told by non-muslims that the aggressive verses of the Quran have to be seen in their context bring trouble to themselves. Especially if you bother to look at the context.

The mentioned verse came down in relation to the invasion of Mecca. Mohammad came with an overwhelming invasion force and told his mujahidin not to kill anybody who is not resisting/fighting. That is indicated in verse 2:190. It would be as if George Bush is invading Irak and of course he tells only to shoot to the guys who shoot at them and then you say that George Bush is a very peaceful person because he only allows fighting in self-defense. big joke.

The context of 2:191 is pathetic. The biographers of the prophet tell that he reserved himself the right to shed blood at the sacred mosque adding that ONLY HE could do it but nobody before or after him is allowed to do so. Indeed at that time it was absolutely forbidden to fight at the sacred mosque under any condition. Mohammad broke that law by his aggression. (Sahih Muslim Book 007, Number 3139)

Regarding 2.193 "And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression."

It is clear that if there is no faith in Allah, there will be war as also shown in the hadith indicated to you. The prophet understood this very well and in my shariah book it is no different. By the way Tumult or oppression is only one word in the arabic version of the Quran which is fitna. Fitna has many meanings but Quran commentators agree that here it means everything non-islamic. In one hadith it says that women are fitna for men and there is means that women are causing trouble to men by using their charm.

YOU WROTE:

"Now i would say please dont try to be scholar of islam and trying to spread hate, if you are really interested please research the quran, you may find guidance."

MY ANSWER:

You might know that the Quran in itself is unreadable if you do not have the Hadith and the Sirah to explain what it means and in which context it was revealed. Hence you need 15 books of tafseer to explain the Quran. You will find a great number of contradictions that can only be explained if you know the context of revelation and if you accept that Prophet Mohammad made up the whole thing.

Greetings

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