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Submitted by salman (United States), Dec 30, 2006 at 20:49

>> One word: Bogus. That is not what it says in Ibn Ishaq's Sirat Rasul Allah and in al-Waqidi's Maghazi. It says in both sources that following the invasion of Mecca by Muhammad the caravn raider and Arabain warlord all the residents of Mecca had to convert to Islam and that: "Allahu Ta3ala anzala ayat al-sayf (Q9:4)" (oh I forgot that you know no Arabic may be you can ask your stupid Mullah) this is from your rasul's sira/maghazi and then we are told that by 632CE there was not a single pagan left in Mecca anymore. This means that this is indeed a case where Islam was spread by the sword. <<

I have not read those texts, so I can't debate on this point. However, given your peculiarities about selecting specific text to justify what you want to say, I am skeptical. I will attempt to find the full text and render my opinion, if possible.

>> How come you did not know that?

1. Are you really that ignorant of what it says in the sira/maghazi about this injustice of spreading islam by the sword? <<

Yes. I have not read those writings.

>> 2. Or is it wishful thinking that maybe I do not know what really happened in Mecca when Muhammad and his minions invaded the city? I call this intellectual dishonesty. <<

I severely doubt that you know what happend in Mecca after its conquest. Or, perhaps, you are a few thousand years old and were there to witness the events.

I can't say why it is that by 623CE there were no non-muslims left in Mecca -- perhaps, they wanted to leave after the city was conquered, perhaps they converted to Islam of their own will, or, maybe, they converted to Islam to better fit-in with the society and be accepted by their peers.

I can, however, say with some certainty, that no one would have had a sword placed on his/her neck and forced to convert as that is strictly against the laws of Islam, despite what you wish to believe.

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