Advice to Non Muslim Woman against Marrying Muslim Men

Submitted by Thiagan (India), Oct 23, 2007 at 01:36

23/10/2007

There is a big media circus going on in India,orchestrated by the secular scoundrals. The facts are these. One Rizwanur Rehman is working as a teacher in graphic designing in a ordinary institute in Kolkatta. He is poor and wanted to make it rich by marrying a rich Hindu girl. He got married to Priyanka Tody,his student and whose father is Ashok Tody, He is a big industrialist worth Rs.200.00 crores. The father persuaded the girl to abandon the marriage; intially she was relcutant; later left the husband after confronted with the record of his earlier amorous adventures. The boy, having lost a gold mine, became desperate and committed suicide in a railway track. It is either a suicide or just accident. The secular mafia aided with the left lunatics joined the Islamists and the usual charade of Islamic jingoism, violent protests and wild accusations followed, alleging that the father had killed him. In the debate at various sites I have posted many comments, of which two of them are very relevent.

First Comment:

Non muslim girls marrying muslims are doomed to be a disaster. My objections:
> the girls will be invariably from affluent families and the husband can not afford to maintain her earlier lifestyle
> the girls brought up in liberal circumstances can not adjust to the suffocating surroundings for women in Islam
> in Islam marriage is a contract and can be terminated by the husband by uttering triple talaaq; in Pakistan Hindu girls are regularly abducted, forcibly converted and married off to muslims. Six months later, they are abandoned and they become destitutes. The status of women in Islam is worse beyond imagination.
> I can not accept a teacher marrying his own student; it is against professional ethics.
> the boy has brought dishonour to the family and he should be killed to protect the honour of the family. This is in accordance with shariaat.
> Ram Madhav earlier quoted the instance of a UP senior IAS officer married to a muslim lady. Their son died and there was virtually a war whether to cremate or to bury.
> Culturally they are poles apart and the marriage will never work
> there is a definite attempt by muslim boys to lure Hindu/Christian girls to marriage; it is an effort to increase the market share
> Betty Mohamed, an American lady, married an Iranian doctor and after seven years, she was persuaded to go to Iran with the daughter; the husband became a fanatic and started imposing Arab customs on them. She escaped to USA after great difficulty and she has written a book, "Not Without My Daughter". It is favourite present when any American girl marries a muslim. It is also filmed
> muslim girls can cope up with marriage because they brainwashed from birth
> US state department has issued a booklet advising American women against marrying muslims
> This is a very relevant concern of every parent and I wish the media should not make circus of it
> At the age 25, Rizwanur , in all probability, is a much married man and where is the security for the girl with the looming threat of threat of triple talaaq

Second comment:

1) I do not know the case of Dolly; I can not say anything about it. Rizwan's death is either a suicide or an accident. A CID report says that he was desperately trying to reach the other woman; who was not available or refused to respond. The area is an accident prone area; 180 deaths during the current year and 220 last year. The body was there at 10.30 AM and no idiot will kill some one and leave the body at such a busy hour. The murder theory is floated to make some money from Tody and secularist media is blowing it because of the muslim content.
2) Life style change is the least of the difficulties and compounded with religion change, this becomes explosive.
3) Islam is suffocating for women. Islam treats women as dirt. It rejects gender equality. For eg. Women, Koraan says: "men have a degree (of advantage) over them" 2:228 ; that the witness of woman is worth half of that of man 2:282; that women inherit half of their male siblings, 4:11-12; that a man can marry two or three or four women 4:3; that if a women becomes captive in a war, her Muslim master is allowed to rape her 33:50; that if a woman is not totally submissive to her husband she will enter Hell 66:10; that women are "tilth" for their husbands (to cultivate them) 2:223; that men are in charge of women, as if women were imbeciles or minors who could not take care of themselves; that they must be obedient to their husbands or be admonished (verbally abused), banished from the bed (psychologically abused) and beaten (physically abused) 4:34. Let the muslims improve the status of women in Islam, then we can consider inter religious marriages. Real life is different from the reel life; it is more cruel, uncaring and unsparing. Your friends are not the right examples and constitute the minority. I will cite an example. Dar al Uloom, Deoband is a well known Islamic learning centre. It is rated as Al Azar of India and is comparable to Harward Law School in Islamic law. They have a separate department for issuing fatwas and it is said they have issued more than three lacs fatwas. The fatwas are collated and are published and I am quoting from the 23rd edition. Here is a case referred to them:

• Case No.407: Niamat Khan gave triple talaaq to his wife Gabro in a drunken state. Later he repented and on the advice of others agreed to take back his wife. As the woman had been divorced and had not married another man, she was married to Mangal Khan on the condition that he would divorce her immediately after marriage. But after the marriage Mangal Khan delayed the divorce and ultimately refused to divorce. The lady did not want to be the wife of Mangal Khan. Now the question arises whether the divorce given earlier by Niamat Khan is valid; whether Mangla Khan's marriage is valid or not and what is the refusal of the lady to join Mangal Khan mean. The lady has not joined Mangal Khan and she had not cohabited with him. What is way so that she may be separated or divorced?

Let us see what the Supreme Court of Islamic jurisprudence say. I give the reply verbatim
• Fatwa: Niamat Khan's triple talaaq in the first instance has become effective and he cannot marry her again without halalah.(purification ceremony). His intention for restitution of marriage has no meaning. Mangal Khan stands properly married. Unless he cohabits with her and divorces her and the period of iddad passes, Niamat Khan can not marry her legitimately. Suppose Mangal Khan divorces her without sexual intercourse with her she will not become halal for Niamat Khan. Mangal Khan's statement that he will divorce her after a few days does not effect a divorce. The woman's statement she does not want to be Mangal Khan's wife, after she has married him, is nonsense. It does not make any difference to the marriage. And a married woman retains no right to live separately after she has married. She can not get away from her husband without divorce nor marry another man. The only way for Niamat Khan to marry her is that Mangal Khan cohabits with her and divorce her. Please note that this not the fatwa of some cleric. This also the law of the land and is enforced in courts. The courts have particularly held that remarriage shall not create a presumption of validity; there must be proof of the intermediate marriage and that marriage having been consummated, if the husband divorced the wife, repented and wanted to remarry. If the procedure is not adopted, the children born subsequently will be illegitimate. See Mulla's Principles of Mohammedan Law, 18th edition by M.Hidayathulla and others 1977 Sec.257 and 336 pp.286, 354. Hidayathulla was the Chief Justice of India. The mistake was made by the husband and why the wife should pay for it? What is this purification all about? Do you think it is sane. Why should other girls get into this mess. If you want, I will give you more horror stories.

4) It is true that all muslims do not resort to triple talaaq but my submission is why, when it is provided in the system, the other girls should get into it? Your reference to Hindu widows in Benaras and dowry deaths are social problems and can be and are being addressed with legal solutions and by creating awareness. In Islam it is theological and can never be changed. In South, girls do not commit suicide; that is old fashion. Now they go the police and jail the groom and the inlaws. For example you will find Koraan permits wife beating and in Pakistan 40% of the women admitted in the hospital are victims of domestic violence.

5) Regarding Rizwan, he hails from a poor family and from what I find, he wanted to enrich himself by marrying a rich Hindu girl. He was first intimate with one Ms.Poumpy Roy and discarded her in favour of richer Priyanka. The CID theory is he was trying to contact her before his death to dissuade her from informing Tody about his affair with her and Roy remaining elusive, he became distraught and committed suicide. In short he is a bounty hunter.
6) I said Rizwan has brought dishonour to Tody's family and Tody gets the right to have him killed. This is called honour killing and it is permitted in shariaat and is widely practised in Pakistan. I am not admitting that Tody did it.

7) I think you are talking about premarital agreement. Again my submission is why get into the mess at all.
8) Please go to the website of FrontPage magazine and you will find many stories of western women getting married to muslims; they living on her earnings for a few years; give two children and escape to the native country. Some times they resurface with another younger wife.
9) Girls at the age 20-25 are emotionally vulnerable and when deliberate attempts are made, they fall into the trap. Priyanaka is the case in point and in an earlier case a rich Sindhi girl ran away with a muslim boy in Bhopal; in fact in that house both the sons have married Hindu girls. I am for educating the girls of the dangers of marrying muslims and avoiding any friendship with them.
10) Again your friends are the wrong quotes. They are liberated; I am talking about the families like Rizwanur and they pose the threat to others.
11) Tody has a right to be concerned and the Police officers finding that he was a bounty hunter, warned him of the consequences. I do not find police guilty. It is the media which is creating hype because he is a muslim and they require material for their 24 hours channel.
12) I will ask Sue one question. Suppose a hindu boy and a muslim girl had married in a muslim country, what would have happened. They would have killed him. In fact there is a legal ban on muslim girls marrying outsiders. They are deemed apostates and death is the punishment. Islam treats its minorities shabbily; why Hindu India, Christian West and Buddhist China should treat them differently. Secularism is not a one way traffic.
13) Above all Islam permits four wives; what is the guarantee Rizwan will remain wedded to her. Do not be fooled by the argument that Hindus also commit bigamy. For hindus, it is an offence punishable under law. For muslims it is legally permitted and there is no relief.

I am giving the quote to express my thanks to FP, Daniel Pipes and others for my knowledge about the situation and tell the others in India, so that Hindu girls can move away from muslims. I have also requested Arun Shourie, a Syracuse Ph.D and former Union Minister for Disinvestment to write a series of articles on this subject and that lot material is available in FP. He is your counterpart in India and his book "World of Fatwas" is well researched book. The fatwa is taken from the book. Dr.Pipes, I refer your kind attention to the fatwa mentioned and I want to know whether it is India centric or has universal application. Dr.Pipes and FP, thanks a lot.

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