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Submitted by Straight_Talk_Luigi (United States), Mar 21, 2008 at 23:38

----i see you comment a lot on here. i dont know if you are just someone observing or someone who is truly an experienced therapist.-----

I've worked for a therapist before, so I know that game. I wouldn't advise going to one who tells you to do whatever you want because you're an adult.

My biggest criterion is I've researched this, experienced it personally and even gone undercover, if you will.

"i am sure anyone entering marriage would naturally have doubts, or what we call "cold feet". and it is not unusual for anyone to wonder if they really "know" their mate...."

You've got to be kidding. You're basically telling me there is NO difference between talking online, on the phone or by Morse Code and actually MEETING someone? That's a big warning sign right there! Believe me, a person can fake all of these things! Some women even have a back-up plan in case the marriage is a scam! Do women who marry men they meet in person do this? I think not! And why would you marry someone you don't completely trust?

It happens EVERYWHERE, from callgirls to Nigerian 419 to Moroccan Men.

The internet is so full of garbage, I mean, INTERPOL and the CIA can't even keep up with child porn and terrorists for goodness sake, and they have the best equipment yet!

Let me ask you something: Is it easier to lie to someone's face, or to do it on the phone or over MSN?

"nowhere is that more evident than in our country.."oh so great that it is", but having the highest divorce rate in the world...(UNHEARD OF)...and where does that leave our standard of marriage?"

Our standard of marriage is low almost entirely from a lack of personal responsibility and self-discipline. I guess you're suggesting that Morroccans have a lower divorce rate, but conservative, strict-moderate religious societies generally will. That is, within their OWN boundaries. For instance, our divorce rate is higher than Russia's, yet over 70% of marriages between USA men and Russian girls FAIL. Why? Because most are scandals.

"i need to see some hardcore facts before i really start doubting my man based on him being Muslim and Moroccan. I am not naive by any stretch of the imagination and am well seasoned in relationships...i too was married for a very long time to an American."

I'd say ANYONE who is in an on-line relationship or thinks that a dating site or dating agency will bring them happiness is acting naïve. You want facts? Most international marriages FAIL. Dating sites don't screen profiles unless they are reported by customers. It helps them create more $$$ from clicks and advertising. In some cases, the dating agencies are even in on the scam.

Let me guess, he told you he loved you right away too, didn't he?

Oh, and, at least one case involved the person (an American male) being murdered in Brazil.

""what makes someone seek love in a third world country?

"maybe it is because these people appreciate simple things..they have hope and belief in God despite such adversity and hardships...maybe because they do have a deep sense of family... ""

Oh, come on! You're doing this because you're sick of American men, not for a noble third-world cause.

Want to know why a lot of people do it? Insecurity. They think if they go looking abroad for a mate, their partner will hook on them like glue because they are American. Well, it does work, just not always in the way you intended.

They treat people of their culture differently than they do foreigners in many cases. That's something you need to consider. It's called the Third World for a reason, Africa has a negative rep for a reason, and quite frankly, they are all good reasons.

"you can see clearly living in these places that MONEY ISNT EVERYTHING (contrary to our country)....eccentric personalities are drawn to places like this, open minded, soul searching people who are longing to find love other than what they can find here in American men (sorry if that is an insult)"

Money is everything to a scammer or to someone who wants a greencard. They could care less about your philosophy on souls as long as they get what they want. But hey! If you want to put what you worked for on the line to become another statistic, there's always someone in the third world who could use your life savings. And here's another shocker: not everyone in the Third World is poor.

It's not an insult, but I also don't by the idea that an American woman "doesn't care" how a guy looks. That is crap. Here is how it often goes: girl dumps nice guy who gives her flowers because he's too sensitive. Girl meets "bad" boy and falls for him. Girl sleeps with guy and gets pregnant, girl married guy because of baby. Girl and guy fight, think problem is because they don't have a baby, so have another. Guy gets tired of screwing same girl and leaves. Girl is stuck with 2-3 kids and will date anyone "for the kids" because someone, no matter where he is from, whether he's a drunkard or bin laden sypmathist, is better than no one.

"...and alot of the ways men from "third" world cultures, (despite what people have "heard"), regard their women is very respectful..."

LOL, are you serious? You should read the Hindustan times! There was an article in their about a Pakistani woman saying she cannot fathom why Western women are attracted to their men, because they are abusive, neglective, and it's all because their religion says so.

Also, I might add, many of them view white women as whores and sluts. I've seen people on the ARABIC news channels saying how Danish women marry and mate with dogs and the sexual promiscuity of whites means they are nothing but trashy whores. Look to the rising rape epidemic of North African nationals and native EU women who don't wear the viel in the inner cities of Europe. You won't find much about that in the mainstream media for political reasons.

"no need for extremes (with anything) but i think our country is also very extreme in certain areas, which is destructive. "

And aren't women here regarded and treated as SEX OBJECTS?? Which country has more infidelity, promiscuity, and sensationalism, higher rates of unwed mothers, teen parents, incest, rape??? "

Well, Christian women in the Middle East are raped all the time, it's just not reported. In fact, the Arabian peninsula is one of the hottest destinations for sex trafficking from all over the world. Everyone from Arab shieks to Western businessmen graze over there for sex with underage women from all over the Old World. And in Africa? I don't even want to know how many women were raped Darfur---all by Muslim Men. But if it's any consolation, rapes in South Africa and Zimabawae are also pretty high.

Unwed mothers? Try Scandinavia. In the next decade, 1 out of every 4 child will be born into a broken home. Seeing past the statisitics, I see that it's mostly illiterate immigrants (the ones who harass police, senior citizens and chant WE WANT DANISH BLOOD NUKE NUKE DENMARK) who have children, well, let's just say their very culture may not escape this century alive.

"As far as a woman's role, dont we all assume a mother/wife role? staying at home or wishing we could with our young offspring, cooking the majority of all meals and assuming all the domestic tasks of the home, school and family issues? of course IT IS THE WOMAN...

Not really. Feminism has successfully influenced the social sciences. Most women want a a career and child-rearing isn't appealing. That is why in every Western country we have immigration. Many women feel they aren't respect or amounting to anything grand if they spend time raising and kids and not having a career.

"i can understand some freedoms are not exactly the same between men/women in USA and men/women, in say, MOROCCO, but they are coming along..more and more women are predominant in the work force there, the younger generations are dressing more casual and western style yet still keeping respect to their families and cultures (if that is the way they are raised)...

As long as they remain Muslims and have kids to subdue Europe this century, the Moroccan government could really care less. It's not Saudi Arabia, but don't expect tolerance and diversity---or even welcome---over there.

"you dont see as much EXTREME OLD SCHOOL restrictions and limitations like before and quite frankly some of the restrictions that they are used to actually promote a more respectful and modest community which I find is something we totally lack in our society"

REALLY? Look up what happens to Muslims who convert to Christianity. Also, have you ever heard of de facto discrimination? Just because it's not in the books, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Christians are beaten and persecuted there on a regular basis. That's why they are shelter away mostly in the Atlas Mountains of the Sahara Desert.

Respectful and modest? I'm sorry, but women where I live don't go trompsin' around in their bikinis—only on the beach. Even the most ardent feminists of the West would argue that women who dance around like ninnies or are in porn do so because it is THEIR choice, and the demand by males has nothing to do with it. Are you aware that in Saudi Arabia over 80% of the pictures that young people text are porn?

"i refuse to let some "bad" situations affect my optimism or happiness...I just want to know what others have learned and why morocco is getting such a bad name."

Oh, I see. So the WHOLE point to this is you defending your MORACCAN man. I am so sick of this, and I've heard this before. Do you think you're the first one to do this? I've seen this ALL the time, with people of different races and genders, and if you're so secure with him and yourself AND your relationship, why are you on here defending it?

Others have done the same, said the exact same thing you have, and in a few weeks time they are back on here again with their tale of woe.

And it's not just SOME, it's MOSTLY. Google Tennessee, Moroccan, marriage. You'll see what I mean.

"is it our man's fault that the unemployment rate there is so bad?" "is it their fault they they are ruled by a dictatorship and dont have the same opportunities as we do? is it their fault they are born into a poor family with no hope for a brighter future?"

No, actually, it's conservative ISLAM's fault, if you REALLY want to know. Ironically, that is run by---MEN! Do you have any idea how many Middle Easterners are angry at how radical Islam and sharia law have held them back?

The solution, of course, is regime change, but nobody likes that.

"we are damn lucky here!!....too priviledged and cushy...we should thank god and don't mistake someone's misfortune as laziness...if you are blessed enough in life to receive love, help and support I think it is only fair when you love someone that you extend yourself."

Well, I am so sorry, but you know when you are sending cash overseas to man who isn't working and is so poor yet has internet access, well, I'd say that's just a common sense issue. Of course, scammers wouldn't do it if it didn't make them money.

And don't worry about Old Uncle Sam. We'll have to make some drastic changes soon to avoid the fate of the Roman Empire.

"i dont base my relationships on money or cultural differences, the foundation of any true relationship should be based on love and respect, above all.....but on the contrary ...like my mom always says....."you cant live on love alone" or "love doesnt pay your bills" "love is blind" "love makes you do crazy things" blah blah blah"

Yeah, and you just gave a whole spiel on why morocco has such a bad name. Gee, I guess it's because many women on here have had their lives set-back and temporarily ruined because of Moroccan men?

If we were talking about Algerian men, would you skip right on by? The same people who married interracially in the 1960's said the same thing. "It's all about love." What subsequent sociological studies found out were that many of the people did it just to show they weren't racist.

Just more fodder for that divorce rate, I guess.

True love at its finest.

It's quite clear that you are sick of American men. Well, fine. Many of them don't know thing one about dating. But don't try to sell me on this, and you had better convince yourself 100% first before you try to come on here and try and convince me.

My question for you is: What makes you think your experience will be any different? Because you are in love? Do you think you're the only one on here who was in love?

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