kelly

Submitted by Straight_Talk_Luigi (United States), Jul 2, 2008 at 15:59

i just want to be clear, that i do not pretend to know all arab men. But i do know egyptian men very well (as i do live in egypt) and most egyptian men are not conning women for visas - yes some do, but the majority dont.

Arab men or Muslim men? See, only 20% of Muslims are Arabs.
You're right, Kelly. That's why I keep saying to you and everyone else on here:

MOST Egyptian men DATE Egyptian women! Since you know them so well, I would have thought this to be obvious? Also, since it happens, in well, every other culture?

By all means critisise egyptian men - frankly i dont care, but its true that not all muslim men are bad - there are good and bad in every nationality (and religion)

If you didn't care what I talk about or were so happy with your man as you claim, I doubt you'd even be on here, Kelly, or find remarks that contradict your opinions so offensive as our previous encounters show. Couples who are truly happy and secure don't even need to mention a peep about it on-line and mostly certainly not to people who do not agree with your marriage/relationship/friendship.

The most convincing con men in egypt are the chrisitian men - western women are more trusting towards them as they are christian and they believe they would never scam another christian.

Really? Why the change in explanation? You told us this before, but it was because all the Coptic men supposedly wanted out?

I've only know of one Coptic Christian/Western women relationship, and she said it wouldn't work out because he was too strict.

Why do you come on here to give advice about relationships with muslim men?

i'm guessing you never had a relationship with a muslim man, yet you still give advice here?

Yes, that is most logical, Kelly. I, a man myself, need to have a relationship with another man to know men.

Maybe you haven't noticed, and I know that do you read extensively on here, but ALL scammers and liars think alike, ok?

so why is it, when i give advice here it means i'm not in a stable relationship?

It's not so much as when you give advice, as opposed to when someone else, like me, has valid, concise counterarguments that put you or your man's culture/religion or whatever in a bad light.

Then, you get all angry and upset one day, and then point the finger at me for being angry the next, when in reality, I chuckle at some of the posts that are written on here. As Alan Colmes would say "What you say to me doesn't affect my personal happiness."

Your advice, Kelly, comes from a biased perspective, and as with most women who defend their relationships, you also harbor notable concern for the reputation of his culture and religion and want to make sure that other women date men of the same culture you are.

Why do you need this reinforcement if your relationship is stable?

If you must know how i found this website i was looking with my husband and his sister for the egyptian black list. We had heard that a friend of ours had been put on the list (as he should of been - he was married at the tie to 3 people)

No, I really didn't "need" to know, but it's always nice when women on here open up. I realize that privacy is always a concern.

Unfortunately i have asked work friends, and my husband to take a good look at this site and see if there is anything they can help these women with, they dont feel however they should after reading comments on here about their religion they dont want to need to defend theirselves.

Help? Or support what you say?

That's okay. Most people just don't care about other's drama, they probably think they have better things to do and may not not understand what these situations are like. I don't waste my time on liberal or Muslim blogs either. The extermination of Christianity or one-world government ambitions isn't something I'd care to waste time arguing over anyway.

I think you sometimes forget, Kelly, that many of the women on here have already been divorced at least once before and are hurting.

As far as the criticism of ISLAM goes, well, I've always said that in terms of the relationships, all it does is shape the motive.

I don't you've come to grasp the fact that these scams all work in the same way and men in general, have similar patterns of lying.

I suggest reading some of the other blogs by Dr. Pipes. Like I've been saying for the last month or so: every blog is going to have people on it who don't agree with the group or blog, in this case Dr. Pipes. But for some, it's really more of some debate contest than it is about other higher principles.

so until then we should ask hisham, as he is a muslim egyptian and will have better advice for women than you.

That's your opinion. He and I pretty much agree, and to his credit, he's not afraid of pointing out the nonsense that gets rationalized on here; it's just, well, no matter how much I bring in other non-Muslim examples, you'll always feel the same about me and my advice, probably because I questioned your relationship.

In other words, you've taken this on a personal level.

Most of the other women on here don't think along the lines you do, probably because your marriage hasn't blown up in your face. Let's hope it doesn't, but if does, you'll have a change of heart.

Yes ok - 3 years isnt that long, but i've been with him for a long time before marriage. And the religion which i raise my children doesnt affect you so why comment on it?

I don't agree with the religion or values of Islam. It's as simple as that. You were the one who brought it up, and on a live blog, Kelly, there are no scared cows, especially here.

Dont comment on me for "only commenting on egyptian culture" if i remember right it was me who mentioned Russian women scamming egptian men?

Actually, that was me. You were upset with the fact that I questioned more international relationships involving Egyptian men, despite the fact I was concerned about the Egyptian MEN in this case. I guess you just wanted to make sure that women from everyone want an Egyptian men?

You had mentioned once before that Christian men are more likely to scam. Since you have a Muslim husband and no doubt your British background has taught you that you must embrace all cultures (except your own) or therefore be a racist (except for those awful Christians, of course). I guess I don't blame you, Kelly, I know how it goes down in the UK and I know the exact reasons why they have a diversity curriculum that has been teaching lies to their students for nearly 40 years.

'good muslim men only date muslim women' i really dont agree with this as muslim men are free to marry jewish and christian women.

Too bad it's not as nice the other way around. Of course, it's just another means for Islam to spread.

They are free to marry whomever, but that statement alone doesn't mean squat as far as them viewing you as a equal to another Muslim.

And there is a lot of men here who are married to christian western women, and have been for many years, and they are still together. So i know from seeing with my own eyes that it is possible to have a happy relationship with muslim men. If you find the right one.

How do you find the right one, Kelly? Think you'll find a good man who's on-line at 3 am local time and is too "busy" to talk to you? Think you'll be able to tell if you're man is good by flying over to his country 4 times a year and declaring yourself an "expert" on his culture?

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