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Submitted by Polly (Cyprus), Aug 13, 2008 at 15:27

I studied in the United States where i was dating my ex for 3 years who at the end broke up with me in the worse way. He was the first and last guy i made love with, lived together, and spent a close relationship like a married couple. After breaking up, my Muslim neighboor and i (Christian) became best friends spending 24/7 together, having fun and talking about everything for 1 year. He was the one next to me, talking to me through the breakup and helping me to heal my heart. During this period of being friends we both saw that there was a lot of chemistry, respect, and communication. The time we both spent, none of us will ever forget because it was fun and unique.

After almost a year of this friendship, he started having deeper feelings for me, but he was very scared to express them. Therefore, a third person has informed me in front of him (he had no idea this would happen) and this has pushed things into a deeper level. I gave him a really hard time due to the fact that i was really hurt and scared to start a new relationship but he was there for me, insisting on me no matter what. We were best friends, boyfriend/girlfriend, and everything else together.

I have graduated 3 years ago, and i am currently back home. He was supposed to get back to USA to finish his studies but he faced a problem with his American visa which never allowed him to get back and finish his studies (he left 2 majors in the middle). During this period, we kept contacting each other. Sadly, i have been the one to call him because he has been my best friend for so long and the one who knows everything about me.

However, i love talking to him because he knows how to listen and advice me in all matters. He doesn't get to call me at all due to financial reasons. We went also through big fights on the phone which made us not speak to each other for long. Everytime, i was the one to call first and get things back on track. He has never made an effort to call me first and see how i am doing or because he wants to listen to my voice so bad. The only way for him to contact me first was msn and text messages.

He has no job, therefore, he still depends on his parents financially. Also, I believe that this is because i hurt him a lot while we were in the US, due to the fact that i was scared to be with him and giving him a really hard time. He tried to get over me. The only time he has called was right after i left US and he was in Qatar (his family migrated there since his dad had better job opportunities). He was crying on the phone asking me to stop treating him this way (but that was years ago).

3 months ago i have informed him i would travel to Egypt and he managed to surprise me as he told his parents that he would apply for the American University there. I saw him in front of me after 3 years. We had so much fun together. The same happened recently. I have arranged to travel to Egypt and i have thought about informing him. He was like "You are kidding me...i will be there as well" (he was going for some family business, and to take a test which will help him to enter the American University in Cairo).

So we met and we had the best time ever. It's worth to mention that he has treated me the best way. He was there, next to me and supporting me during some problems i had with the traveling agency and in everything.

My question is: Why am i the one to get to contact him first most of the time while we are far away. I mean i am not that rich, but still, because i wanna hear his voice and speak to him, i have to make overseas phone calls. I have spoke to him about it and he tried a few times to call me from his calling card with minutes which means the phone call lasts for 5 minutes maximum, while i get to speak to him for more than an hour on the phone because i like speaking to him so bad. Everytime i had to say Goodbye to him in Egypt, it was killing me.

I have said enough goodbyes to my ex with whom we had a long distance relationship for the last year out of our 3-year relationship and i feel tired from crying and being sad more than ever. I feel tired, sad, and depresses, and i feel that it is unfair to have the people i always fall for far away. Therefore, i have attempted to speak to him about it and ask him to be together everyday, next to each other facing life obstacles.

Specifically, i have asked him to come to live with me in my country where is beautiful and quite without meaning to get married but just be together like we used to in the US. It is a more free and quite country. I own a house and the economy is very good here in order for us not to waste our time away from each other and miss all the fun. I know that he really hates Qatar since there is nothing really to do over there and everything is restricted.

Further, he actually hates Egypt or the Arabic mentality, and that the ultimate for him would be to get his degree from the United States. People who have american id's or have graduated from US are more respected in Qatar and Egypt. In specific, when you have a US id in Egypt, people there take a really good care of you and they do not dare to touch you for harming you. I have tried to motivate him, and i told him to fight for what he really wants, which is to go back to US, by any means.

Since applying to the US Embassy in Qatar 4 times so far and being rejected, i have provided him with many options such as getting a visa through marrying an american woman but under the condition that she will be aware of the situation. Nevertheless, he was negative about this suggestion since according to him "he is not that type of a person and people who do this are not mentally healthy. Besides many of his friends have done this and they have many problems with their wives now."

During my suggestion for him coming to Cyprus i never received a direct reply like a yes or a no, but he tried to confuse me a little bit. after i got angry and i showed him it bothered me, he said that yes he would come visit..he clearly played dumb..He said that if he was not seeing any future with me, he wouldn't be with me. I told him that i know what he is going through but why not be together in order for me to be able to be next to him and help him during this phase he is going through. Sad thing, i never received a direct answer. Talking to a wall would have been better. Why does he pretend he doesn't understand what i am saying exactly and that he doesn't listen?

. Oh..it's such a complicated story, he is also having Canada as an alternative solution for studying..he is now 27 years old with an uncertain future..and i am 24 going on 25 soon and i am so tired going through so much pain and problems in order to find happiness and love; my breakup has ruined me. We have also discussed about future together and he said that since he is unable to work he cannot give me promises but he keeps telling me that the reason we keep in contact is because he sees his future with me.

He has actually told me that if i want us to go to a deeper level (marriage) i need to reply to the following 2 questions due to the fact that we come from different backgrounds (culture and religion):

1. Am i aware of and ready to face the problems that might possibly appear due to cultural and religious differences?
2. Am i ready to stand up against my parents for this relationship? Because we both know that they it will be so hard or maybe they will never get to accept this marriage. During this conversation, i have told him to come live with me in my country since I am soo soo confused.

I don't agree when people say that love is very close and related to trust, because even though i have strong feelings for him, it is the hardest thing for me to trust him. Specifically with other women. He most of the time flirts when there is another woman in our company and he is good at it to the point he made me believe that it is natural for him.

I am not an angel and i do the same sometimes but from my side sometimes its innocent. He makes it very obvious especially when i hurt him and he is mad at me. Due to the fact that we have been best friends, after he wanted us to move on to a deeper level, i kept feeling free to speak to him about other men as well. He was always like 'i'm your best friend and you will never get to lose that and you can speak to me about everything. But deep inside he was burning.

Last time i met him in Egypt i checked his messages on the phone and i saw this message from this girl saying that her man left her for this other woman and that she wishes for MY friend to be there because she needs him. As far as i understand, he is trying to help her through her breakup..and i don't know what rights does he give to her in order for her to tell him she needs him. I frozed when i saw it and when i asked him he started explaining that its from a friend who after her breakup she was having one night stands with people for a month and she told her ex, so now her ex knows her secret and he is threatening her.

Last, i will never forget when we were in the US, there was this hot arab girl who was in town for a small period of town and everyone was talking about how pretty she is. And because on his birthday i didnt say happy birthday to him at 12midnight and i was burning cds on the computer without paying attention to him (didn't do it on purpose; i was on my period, bad mood. however i spent the whole day searching for a present and a cake which ended up on his face). His friend came to pick him up and they returned back to his house while i was still there burning cds with 2 girls (one of them was this hot girl) and one more arab guy to have a house party. I got sooo mad i went to my house upstairs i grabbed the cake and i put it on his nface. What pissed me off is that next day he only went to apologies for the insident to this girl and not to the rest of the 2 persons who where there that night.

Lately, i made him confess what he told her and one of the things was that i was jealous of her. I said hey, what pissed me off was you leaving the house without even asking me if i would like to join you, and second its your way...and the fact you have told another girl that i am so jealous. Guess what? I am not jealous. I admire female beauty. The reason i get mad is because of your way.

Is this what he will do next time he will see a hot girl? Dump me and go tell her im jealous? Put me down in front of other people's eyes? How can i trust him this way? This incident happened 3.5 years ago and i will never forgive him about it or forget it. This has increased my fears and reasons not to trust him. With regards to religious issues, we do not have any major problems for now since we freely express our opinions and he has never disrespected my religion.

On the other hand, i am the one who has sometimes disrespected him but his answer was that he doesn't take me wrong because he knows me by heart. I wouldn't convert to Islam. On the other hand, i wouldn't mind for my kids ton be muslim or have arabic names. He doesn't seem to be a fanatic muslim but just a normal person practising his religion without taking it too far.

Any comments on my story? What do you think? Do you see any future? Is this a bunch of BS? Should i end it now? Can someone help me see clearly what is going on here?

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good evening catherine [208 words]MimiFeb 5, 2023 16:02264747
20To Brainwashed Smasher about the true meaning of nikah [505 words]A very concerned readerMar 1, 2021 01:44264398
16To Sherry: Veils for answering the nature's call, the Muslim men's right to rape the unveiled women [345 words]A very concerned readerFeb 26, 2021 14:24264318
25About the houris [690 words]A very concerned readerFeb 23, 2021 00:17264210
22To N and S: some replies to your questions and resources for you! [632 words]A very concerned readerFeb 18, 2021 18:26264041
36Long Live the Non-Muslim [847 words]AliciaFeb 18, 2021 15:37264035
15So beautifully written. Real facts. Why Islam can't be compared to other religions [353 words]A very concerned readerFeb 19, 2021 15:43264035
5Breath Taking and True Post [15 words]ChelseaMar 16, 2021 19:18264035
27Talking about morals: to Alicia on her last post which by the way I love! [314 words]A very concerned readerFeb 16, 2021 00:03263953
18Reply to A very concerned reader [115 words]Jessica (Canada)Feb 17, 2021 00:04263953
22A mix of fear, convenience, jealousy and pride: women's role in Islam [652 words]A very concerned readerFeb 18, 2021 04:44263953
6Hi A very concerned reader [516 words]N and SFeb 18, 2021 13:06263953
17Muslims Countries vs The rest of the World [305 words]AliciaFeb 18, 2021 13:52263953
13Muslim's misgiving [167 words]PrashantFeb 18, 2021 16:33263953
14Wrong religion, wrong site! [84 words]A very concerned readerFeb 19, 2021 16:06263953
7100 percent correct [68 words]Jessica (Canada)Feb 20, 2021 01:34263953
8Well said a Very concerned reader [153 words]Jessica (Canada)Feb 20, 2021 01:52263953
12Here's a nice example [79 words]JeffFeb 20, 2021 21:21263953
8Oh, The houris... [441 words]A very concerned readerFeb 20, 2021 23:52263953
11Once again, one-sided love [66 words]A very concerned readerFeb 22, 2021 13:33263953
1Failure to Notice Where Devotion to God is Supreme in Eternity [211 words]M ToveyFeb 22, 2021 15:38263953
4Haha A concerned reader [12 words]jessica (canada)Feb 22, 2021 18:43263953
14A God with no compassion, a reward full of lust [116 words]A very concerned readerFeb 22, 2021 22:48263953
2Very well said [5 words]PrasthantFeb 23, 2021 22:09263953
11Recovery [76 words]SherryFeb 24, 2021 11:35263953
4Relationships that Serve the Prideful Self Always Breaks the Hearts of Others [366 words]M ToveyFeb 24, 2021 12:49263953
9NPD in Muslim men and Ali Sina [317 words]A very concerned readerFeb 24, 2021 13:25263953
9Very nice reflection, M Tovey: time comes when the only thing you see is the Muslim man [358 words]A very concerned readerFeb 25, 2021 01:35263953
4Objection on Religious Grounds - Men and Women Equal in Eyes of Heaven, Salvation [479 words]M ToveyFeb 26, 2021 18:53263953
9Narcissist destroy, empaths create: a selfish religion to cater one man's needs? [483 words]A very concerned readerMar 1, 2021 15:06263953
2Correction [45 words]A very concerned readerMar 1, 2021 17:43263953
3Male-Female Emotional Disparity - Seeking Common Ground of Love [342 words]M ToveyMar 2, 2021 13:31263953
5Sowing what we truly embrace and want to reap! [314 words]A very concerned readerMar 3, 2021 02:48263953
5Emotional Survival of the Most Desperate Kind [438 words]M ToveyMar 4, 2021 11:49263953
8To N and S [233 words]Lana(USA)Feb 11, 2021 21:19263845
17Thank you FAtou [88 words]BaboonFeb 9, 2021 12:49263786
9Hi Jessica [190 words]N and SFeb 9, 2021 15:57263786
10N and S [228 words]LinaFeb 9, 2021 17:05263786
19It's more dangerous than people may think [254 words]A very concerned readerFeb 10, 2021 14:57263786
8Very good points [213 words]LinaFeb 10, 2021 22:17263786
7Very true [120 words]A very concerned readerFeb 11, 2021 15:22263786
7N and S [471 words]Lana(USA)Feb 11, 2021 21:09263786
4N and S reply [645 words]jessica (canada)Feb 12, 2021 18:23263786
7Hi A very concerned reader [516 words]N and SFeb 17, 2021 16:51263786
3WEAK [23 words]alanaSep 12, 2021 07:00263786
48To Fatou/Adja, to the immigration officers of Western countries, to this forum readers. To those googling "I'm in love with a Muslim man" [812 words]A very concerned readerFeb 9, 2021 00:36263772
17I wish I could raise a toast to this [174 words]AliciaFeb 10, 2021 01:16263772
11Cheers! [230 words]A very concerned readerFeb 10, 2021 14:16263772
5Let's raise* that toast!!! [23 words]A very concerned readerFeb 10, 2021 15:11263772
11I could not agree more! [178 words]Lana(USA)Feb 11, 2021 01:10263772
19Why they don't like Christianity [713 words]A very concerned readerFeb 11, 2021 06:28263772
10Big hypocrite [222 words]Lana(USA)Feb 11, 2021 09:16263772
14Hijab and the hypocrisy of it [144 words]A very concerned readerFeb 11, 2021 15:13263772
4Where is the Truth Hiding When No One is Looking for it [233 words]M ToveyFeb 11, 2021 21:35263772
14My insight about Islam and why a Non Muslim woman can fit in this ideology [648 words]A very concerned readerFeb 14, 2021 00:18263772
2Why Non Muslim women can't fit* [14 words]A very concerned readerFeb 14, 2021 01:18263772
18Their lives and hearts are so dark [102 words]Ella AustraliaFeb 14, 2021 23:54263772
11Why they don't like Christianity [19 words]Lisa D.Feb 15, 2021 12:35263772
1Why Eternal Fulfillment is of Love/Respect is Hard to See [282 words]M ToveyFeb 15, 2021 18:02263772
7Well said, Islam has straight jacketed itself into self destruction. [139 words]PrasthantFeb 15, 2021 18:30263772
12Same feeling here, Ella, while we make great efforts to integrate their culture [144 words]A very concerned readerFeb 16, 2021 02:18263772
2Basis of Anthipathy Towards Judeo-Christian (Messianic) Beliefs [220 words]M ToveyFeb 19, 2021 21:55263772
3Great Truth teachings on Islam [99 words]SherryFeb 24, 2021 11:56263772
5Veils for answering the nature's call, the Muslim men's right to rape the unveiled women [338 words]A very concerned readerFeb 26, 2021 06:33263772
4Muslim dislike Christian / Christians have POWER over them [7 words]BrendaSep 17, 2021 15:28263772
7Hijab should not be used to exemplify diversity [274 words]PrashantFeb 7, 2021 01:39263720
21To Fatou: we wish we were discarded by your men!/ Thank us for warning you that they don't respect you either [335 words]A very concerned readerFeb 6, 2021 15:12263711
10Ladies here last comment [146 words]FatouFeb 6, 2021 09:56263707
Rat or not? [106 words]MimiAug 16, 2021 15:20263707
10Muslim Men will NEVER Marry a 53 year old Woman [243 words]AliciaAug 16, 2021 21:34263707
Female 53 years old. [102 words]MimiAug 17, 2021 14:42263707
5Hijab should not be presented as a symbol of diversity [159 words]PrashantFeb 6, 2021 01:47263699
7Hijab as a political statement [45 words]Lisa D.Feb 9, 2021 15:10263699
4Lina reply [90 words]FatouFeb 5, 2021 17:30263683
12Fatou: We wish they discard us!/ you should thank us for warning you [247 words]A very concerned readerFeb 6, 2021 14:57263683
4I would just leave it be [64 words]AjdaFeb 8, 2021 02:01263683
11Hmmm Fatou we all wonder [66 words]jessica (canada)Feb 8, 2021 11:51263683
5Ajda [7 words]FatouFeb 8, 2021 15:39263683
11Fatou's self-righteousness stinks [110 words]PrashantFeb 9, 2021 18:12263683
3Married [25 words]To Jessica canadaFeb 11, 2021 10:11263683
5Big hypocrites too!!! [263 words]Lana(USA)Feb 11, 2021 10:51263683
9Religion over Science [77 words]Lisa DFeb 11, 2021 12:35263683
5Gifts [12 words]LinaFeb 11, 2021 15:48263683
19Marriage means nothing in Islam, my dear [101 words]A very concerned readerFeb 11, 2021 18:04263683
6Reply about Married- and why are you using my name [143 words]jessica (canada)Feb 12, 2021 16:23263683
13Islam is the worst, Muslim countries will never prosper they just get worse [87 words]AliciaFeb 12, 2021 17:33263683
6Alicia is right about Islam [96 words]PrashantFeb 15, 2021 18:42263683
6Cannot say Merry Christmas in here. [43 words]Jessica (Canada)Feb 15, 2021 22:34263683
9You're very right, that's why our women need to be aware of this [300 words]A very concerned readerFeb 15, 2021 23:12263683
7Big thank you and my best wishes always [263 words]A very concerned readerFeb 15, 2021 23:37263683
2Rat?? [99 words]MimiAug 18, 2021 05:17263683
1ROP celebrations in Dhaka [184 words]PrashantApr 5, 2022 21:00263683
Another violent incidence in Tel Aviv [122 words]PrashantApr 7, 2022 21:03263683
15The true face of a real Muslim Woman [1019 words]AliciaFeb 5, 2021 13:58263674
21To Fatou: Muslimahs are deceived too. Are you surprised? [294 words]A very concerned readerFeb 5, 2021 13:14263670
4We all wait for Fatou reply to your comments [11 words]jessica (canada)Feb 8, 2021 11:56263670
2Lina [144 words]FatouFeb 5, 2021 09:16263662
1Explain to concerned reader [145 words]FatouFeb 5, 2021 09:08263661
16Your points [64 words]LinaFeb 5, 2021 13:54263661
21Correction and more unreplied questions [209 words]A very concerned readerFeb 5, 2021 14:43263661
14Purpose of the board [233 words]LinaFeb 5, 2021 17:34263661
8Things that happen in males parties and when nobody is watching [39 words]A very concerned readerFeb 5, 2021 20:01263661
13I'll take what I want from your culture and insult the rest [125 words]JeffFeb 5, 2021 20:44263661
16The reasons why Fatou is here and the controversial respect topic [290 words]A very concerned readerFeb 6, 2021 16:03263661
3Lina and other who take this tone in comments [107 words]FatouFeb 7, 2021 09:55263661
7Don't forget [144 words]LinaFeb 8, 2021 14:38263661
6Thank you [125 words]LinaFeb 8, 2021 14:48263661
5Or better still [18 words]LinaFeb 8, 2021 14:50263661
8So true, Lina [123 words]A concerned readerFeb 8, 2021 23:15263661
3Thanks to you too! [23 words]A very concerned readerFeb 8, 2021 23:52263661
8That is why Muslims (and the reader Fatou) need education [157 words]PrashantFeb 9, 2021 17:59263661
27Muslim Marriages the REAL WAY [1437 words]AliciaFeb 4, 2021 23:03263645
12What a good picture of Pakistani societal system [281 words]A very concerned readerFeb 5, 2021 13:58263645
7Yes muslim will never like non-muslim [86 words]jessica (canada)Feb 8, 2021 12:07263645
6This part is so true Alicia [387 words]jessica (canada)Feb 8, 2021 12:45263645
1Pipes Response/Our Religion [36 words]FatouFeb 4, 2021 16:31263624
3Teaching basic Arabic to wannabe Arabs our dear Fatou [241 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 5, 2021 14:14263624
4Guiding the perplexed our dear Fatou and deciphering the Arabic language [97 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 5, 2021 14:29263624
1Our dear Fatou and the word الصلوة/الصلاة (PRAYER) in the Qur'an [398 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 6, 2021 07:50263624
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AjdaFeb 8, 2021 09:53263624
23About arranged marriages: what Western women must know [299 words]A very concerned readerFeb 3, 2021 22:30263589
19In response to Fatou 2: It's all about respect [123 words]A very concerned readerFeb 3, 2021 17:55263578
10A very concerned reader: The correct translation of صلى الله عليه وسلم is not the PBUH nonsense [158 words]
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