to Lisa

Submitted by Straight_Talk_Luigi (United States), Jan 24, 2009 at 15:13

Angie....I will tell you like luigi.....He is not telling me ANY STORY at all. He does not compare himself to others or make excuses for anyone. He holds himself accountable for himself. He has to liove with his own actions but so do I.....He does not smooth talk me or try to convince me so you can believe what you want to believe about someone you do not even know or have been around or talked too....He has never fed me crap what I read here or what you implied. and yes I am 9 years older but so was his last Moroccan woman who was 6 years older.

1) Let's see....he was already with an older woman from his own culture and that didn't work out. That should tell you something right there.

2) He doesn't need to smooth talk you, Lisa, because he has you right where he wants you. I'll even bet he's not even scared that you'll leave him.

3) 9 years as compared to 20-30? The only difference there is Lisa, that dating sites will openly admit a a 20 year age difference rarely means success. If the woman is older than the man and you are talking about marriage over the internet, that's a BIG problem.

To get something straight Angie, I have no doubts about my Fiance so I do not appreciate you thinking you know me,lol and saying i do.....

The thing is Lisa, we don't have to know you personally to see what's going on here. I can't speak for Angie, but what I can say is that I've been through this myself many times before. The quick marriage talk, the i love yous before you even meet.

I know you don't appreciate it, Lisa. I'm sure you just want the rest of us to say how great Morocco is and how wonderful your Moroccan man is. Have you ever noticed how the other Muslim posters on here are only interested in the truth instead of expecting the red carpet to be rolled out for their culture?

. He doesn't play games and does not know i even stumbled across this board several months ago. I searched like many others (Moroccan men) and found this blog when trying to find out more about his culture. With this said just like Nora on here who posts i did not like to see all Muslim men and Moroccan men all lumped into the same category...

Show me the posts on here where they are all lumped into that same category. And if you were so about him, why do you even bother coming on-line? People who blog (and brag) about their relationships have issues and are just plain rude.

.I know when I started reading this blog i appreciated reading the informational things you can pick up from this blog...and some was helpful for when I traveled to Morocco....and he was not telling me the story of the Moroccan and french lady to smooth talk me...see people like you and luigi like to read and put your own scenerios without knowing the context of how things came about in conversations.

Actually, Lisa, I know the context of your relationship better than anyone else's relationship on here, mainly because I see all the warning signs with an objective point of view, not one based on sympathy for Muslim political causes or because I think my sig. other is handsome and charming.

I've read all I need to see what is going on.

We don't have to know what your favourite color is or what kind of ice cream you like to see what's really going on here.

..well let me share why i was told this story so you will know he did not have an agenda. even though I should not have to explain anything to you and really you shouldn't even be posting anything negative about him cause you do not know him at all....you are like the others and want to accuse all these men of the same storyes of conning women......

First of all, most (ok, pretty much all) of the stories on here represent failed international relationships. Many are scammers, but for the ones that are not, you still have your usual pool of liars, cheats, and jerks. Then, on top of that, you have cultural differences.

Not exactly great odds for success. Hence,that is why this blog exists and has by far more comments than any other article Dr. Pipes has posted.

a lady friend was telling me her fiance wanted to buy a business in Morocco and he told her women's names could not be on the deeds/papers and I told her I can ask Simo and see if it is truth or lie and Simo knows this couple I was asking about and he told me this story for me to tell her to help her to "love with eyes wide open" and to know he lied to her for whatever reasons. See Angie you took something I said and made it into what you wanted to hear. I have just as much trust in this man as he does me which is a lot...

Real trust does not happen over the internet or during a one-time visit.

..He has not tried to hide anything from me......i have been in his bedroom on his personal computer and in his files (out of curiousity and I let him know when he walked in that i had looked and I had read all his e-mails and i have seen his messenger list of 5 people and i know who they are (yes one is girl that was a frnd he hasn't talked to in about 13 months and heard she may have married) but with this said, he did not have to tell me anything about her but he did..

Do you see the contradiction here, Lisa---you just told us you both trusted each other, and yet you had to search his computer without his permission? And hedidn't have a problem with that? Perhaps he was even expecting that?

I cannot even imagine going into someone else's home and browsing their personal files! Heck, when I go over to someone's place, I even ask if I can sit down somewhere!

Not that I blame you for doing what you did, it's just that story is all over the place now.

.He could have said it was all male friends... and I have held his cell phone....He is home early hrs of the night. He doesn't drink or smoke I have been in this relationship now for one year....

Well, home is where his computer is, yeah, I'd say so. All male friends? You really believe that, Lisa? Wow.

Angie, I am not trying to be ugly. I just dislike posters who assume they know him better than me when they do not know his intentions.....I

Lisa, we represent an outside, objective, rational point of view that is not entangled with emotion. If you really want to find true love, you must learn to love with both your heart and mind, with both passion and logic.

also know women can be jealous of others and sometimes I wonder if this resentment toward me and my posting is related to women do not want to see others happy or ina good relationship just because theirs failed and they were conned.

No, it's because your relationship has all the markings of disater. It seems to me, Lisa, you're the one who is upset because the majority of responses to your situation do not glorify or support it, and the ones that do, well, like I said, they either won't date a man they meet on-line or they are taking many more precautions than you are, yet still support you. Why? Because its not their hides on the line here, so naturally, they just don't care as much.

I am not saying this is the case but you have to admit there are some here who would LOVE to see my relationship fail..... I do feel for the ones hurt and I wish to see them let all the bitterness and anger released or they will never trust or love again....The world can be lonely without love.

The thing is Lisa, it's your posts who have been edited, not mine. So, I wonder who is angry and bitter? I've already written a letter to my myspace woman forgiving her for all her debt and what she did to me a long time ago.

It's you, not us, who is writing all these long essays about how this is great and grand and glorious. And the sheer length of it has, no doubt, gained you support as in often the case in technical communication. But really, Lisa, bloggers like myself who are experienced in matters like these know that intimate details don't cut it. Every story is unique, but deciet and lies follow patterns in relationships across cultural and international boundaries, because, like you say, we are all human.

A lonely world without love? Trouble is, Lisa, lots of people these days don't know what REAL, TRUE love is. They think it's always taking the easy way out, doing what feels good always, or just giving into their primal urges while the entire time shaking their fist at the rest of us telling us they are in control in different when it's so obvious they are not. Sad, really.

These are the kinds of people you can expect to find navigating the internet. Some people are mentally ill, others feel socially isolated, despite the fact that they have friends and family in real life who care about them, they just don't like it, they need more drama, more excitement. You would not believe the time that people in my age range and even in your man's age range waste away in cyberspace. For others, well, it's just a way to con people.

Ulimately, though, Lisa, the internet has not made the world smaller because you can talk to a Moroccan everyday. The truth is, between referencing me on here and talking to this man of yours, you're cutting yourself off from the people in your life more than you seem to realize.

It's obvious why you are attracted to this man, and I sure do not blame you for that, even if you do think he's more of a man than I am. He's sweet and handsome and young. I don't think anyone is blaming you for having feelings towards someone like that and yeah, it's probably intoxicating to get attention from someone like that, even over the internet.

All we want is for you to recognize the situation for what it is. Want you relationship to fail? Lisa, what we don't want is for is see to some man hurt you again. Underneath all this anger towards me, I see that you are looking for a decent guy, but myself and others are not convinced this Moroccan man is not it. This is not the type of blog where most people are looking to get revenge or hurt others. I hope you can see that sometimes those who really care about you are the ones who will stand up to some of the choices you make in life instead of blindly following and supporting you like a robot.

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