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Reader comment on item: Advice to Non-Muslim Women against Marrying Muslim Men
in response to reader comment: re: General Question (Egyptian/Muslim)

Submitted by Stephanie (United States), Jun 26, 2009 at 18:17

Hey Sweety:

You asked me some questions before about what to watch out for and if a man can seem so loving at first and then really change. I can assure you the man I knew was completely and totally kind and loving for a complete 2 1/2 years before he ever showed his really bad side. Also remember we were just friends for a year before I ever responded to any kind of affection. He acted like a best friend the first year, listening and giving advice.

The second year things changed and we grew close. I felt I couldn't communicate with my husband at all at the time. I thought I tried but he didn't ever seem to listen to me. I had a job that I had been stuck in for many years and I wanted a less strenuous job. I felt unhappy. I remember trying to talk with him about it but he'd always get angry and there was never any negotiating. It was just his way. I stopped approaching him about anything and I let my affections go to this other man. I know it never made things right and of course there was alot more involved.

That was just one instance that motivated me. This Egyptian man would always saying how beautiful I was but they all did. With him he was a bit different than the rest. He didn't always ask for the cam all the time. He seemed happy just talking most of the time. He had a ton of pictures of me of course but he wasn't like most of the men I had met that would think you were there for them sexually. I would delete those men automatically lol. He seem more polite and respectful at the time.

Once we got close he didn't want me talking to other men. In a way, I like a man to be a bit jealous but not to the extreme. I had some friends that were just that, friends and I cut them off for the majority when he asked me to. Still when I felt confused about Egyptian culture and the way he might act or respond I remember a few times I went to friends I had known for a long time to ask questions. If I ever told him how my friends responded, he'd freak out for me just talking with another about our relationship. If someone ever commented that he was just seeking a Greencard or well most said he was basically after sex.

When I seemed scared about this and doubted our relationship he'd get so angry. He'd say I was unable to think for myself, that I was not like Egyptian women because they knew how to treat their man, how to respect their man and not go around talking to everyone about their man. Keep inmind I had three friends total other than him that I only ever spoke with and I'd go months never speaking with anyone but him. He was dedicated to me. He called me everyday and when he ran out of credit for his phone he used his mother's phone. We also talked perhaps two to three or even four hours on the internet at times daily. He let me have access to all his emails so we were able to make calls off of yahoo and Skype. He bought credit and we like talking on the phone way more than typing on the internet and we found it was much cheaper buying credit through these sites and calling each other than using our cellphones.

I never questioned how he felt about me. I met his mother online on the cam and a friend said that was a huge deal. I didn't know. I remember when I went on his id's to call him he didn't even have but maybe ten other people other than me and some were men so I felt pretty secure. I was all over his myspace and he plastered my pic hugely saying I was his Queen. We started talking of a time when I could visit him. He seem to be growing desperate saying being away from each other wasn't good for us. We of course got much closer and started to feel desperate to really touch each other. By this time I had known him for atleast two years. He never went two weeks without talking to me. He never went a day without talking to me. If I didn't call him by a certain time he'd act all worried every day.

When we met in Egypt, I just went for a visit because I had a five year old daugter at home. At first I felt like he was a stranger. It just felt odd. He was all smiley and he kissed me right away. I was shaking so hard. I was just so terrified. He introduced me to everyone, his cousins, his aunts and uncles and they all said I looked like a beautiful Arabic woman. They were all incredibly kind and he had a rich aunt and uncle that said I was too refined, that he had to buy a place where they lived quickly for me. I didn't want to stay and he didn't seem to care about my daughter. He didn't like it I mean and he was totally jealous of her. He told me he couldn't see how his woman could love another, even a child more than him. He wanted me to go to a certain Mosque there in Egypt and revert...then he wanted to marry in the Mosque but there was waiting time of four months.

Really it all scared me and felt utterly rushed and when I chose not to do it he was visibly upset with me. He kept saying if I'd just be patient, in a few months he'd take me back , get my daughter and we'd fly together. He also wanted me pregnant so I wouldn't leave. By the way my grandfather was from Syria but my Grandmother was from England and then my father, he is Indian.

After spending one month with him I told him I was going home. He was so angry with me, screaming at me at first and then crying. Other than this instance my whole stay there was very good and I was treated well. I just wanted to get back to my daughter and I told him from the begnning I couldn't live without her. I guess I took it as he loved me when he was so desperate. I left, came home and spent some time in the hospital. The whole time I didn't eat in Egypt and I just kind of wasted away. I am 5 foot 5...and I weighed like 95 pounds upon returning. It was so different. He wanted me to live there with his mom and him and I felt like I was constantly being watched and nothing was mine. Don't get me wrong. She treated me like I was a Queen and as someone else said, she and the whole family gave me a ton of gifts. I guess that is not a good sign lol.

I went from everything being mine to feeling like nothing was and of course I could never leave my baby. I do have a new home, three cars, I am somewhat spoiled here so I wasn't used to the difference and I never thought of myself as superficial but cooking in my own kitchen or being alone at times, well it a big deal to me. I didn't want to be there permantly and he expected me to drop everything I had and stay there with him forever.

After I returned he went from missing me profusely and crying to being angry...to saying he couldn't live without his heart. He applied for a visa which that is another story. He worked for Citibank and after I left he said they were firing him but he lingered on for a few months still with his company until he came here. He was to train the new person they hired I guess. So He gets here and he is so different. He seems uptight all the time, yelling and in a total rush to get married. He was alot different than in Egypt as well. He became very hard on me when he was more patient with me before and tender in Egypt.

He thew fits like a child. I mean like a literal spoiled child. This side never showed online and he was very selfish. He talked degradingly to me in general about women saying they always screwed up everything etc... At one point he threw all my clothes at me when I started to cry about the divorce process and everything. He screamed at me and told me to just go. He even grabbed me and pushed me out the door and then when I am about an hour away he was crying and begging me to come back. I remember how he was and I was like, to h*ll with this, I'm outta here. I drove all the way back home (16 hours). Then we talked and he wanted me to come back. I missed him of course or I missed sex (seriously it was about the only thing that was good between us)

When we were together it just didn't feel right. He didn't seem right in his head. I went back after a week of being away from him cause he made me feel so guilty saying he never treated me as I did in his country and how he always took care of me and stood by me. I saw his id and he'd added more people and at this point I was no longer on his myspace or facebook because I had deleted mine.

I realized at this time he talked with the woman he actually literally married during the few days we were apart. I don't even think they hardly talked before this but the visa was only for three months and he had to figure out how to stay. If I wasn't going to be his ticket he was going to find someone else.

At the time I really didn't want to believe he was like that but it points to that. I wanted time to get to know him better under less stressful conditions. He'd say he left a good job for me in Egypt, he gave up everything for me to be treated like this. I felt great guilt. While we were living apart I reqested him to add me to his myspace. I'd made a new one. He totally refused. He completely and utterly refused. I felt something definitely wasn't right by this time and it hurt deeply how he had gotten with me.

He started to get secretive but he had an answer as to why for everything. Basically I wasn't respecting him or being good if I felt jealous and he told me he could talk to anyone anywhere so it wasn't a big deal about really adding me to his Myspace. I hated how he worded it and then he said, it was me who he wanted to marry and didn't I know who I was? How I effected him? How much he loved me? etc.... He still talked to me every day but not as much as he did before. We hardly ever used the internet but we talked about an hour every day. I swear if he had gone for two weeks with no communication I'd not even think he stilled cared. When I complained that he didn't make time for me we'd argue alot and then after a few days come to a truce and have like this five hour talk.

He always made me feel guilty for almost everything. Any suffering ...anything he said he endured. I guess this woman he had talked with like in December of 2007...well by Feb. of 2008 they made an agreement to marry without even meeting and in Apil of 2008 a few days before his visa expired he married her the first time he saw her in Vegas. I didn't know and...on top of it, right after they married, within the next few days he was in my city with me for about two weeks.

At this point he started acting perverted sexually. He wanted me to be with another woman...just me and he wanted to be able to watch. When I got upset and was like no way he was like see what I do for you and you can't even do this for me. I didn't either. After his stay with me he said ...baby I only want you but the way he was before really scared me. I thought God, was the USA making him perverted? I was lied to for the last year...............and it only got worse....he wanted me to be with other men and him at the same time, he wanted to watch me with other men and women and well ...he wanted other women while I watched ...I mean he wanted group sex ok and I literaly hate myself for not seeing this in him at the beginning and this is what it came down to...

Our last conversation I asked him if he really wanted such things and he told me my mind was f* up...my mind. No I never did anything in that way with him but if he lied to me about so much that whole time then I suppose he was lying to me about his faithfulness as well. He was just plain nasty. So yes Amber they can seem to care, and lie out their a*s but there is a point you just care so much you don't want to believe it and you start thinking how the heck did you give so much, sacrifice so much effort and time for nothing. I knew he was not being sensible when he didn't care for my baby and he was jealous of her but I guess I'd hope he'd overcome it or get better and it was just stress of having a difficult time adjusting to the states.

After I came to this site I was like "OMG" everything just made complete sense then. I feel bad I almost risked a man that does love me so much, a stable and secure life for my baby for the unknown and you really don't know what kind of men these people are from the internet. For me I really don't love him lol. Yes it confused me how someone can lay there and hold you and treat you like they love you and then be a total other person. I missed what I knew of him in Egypt but it really just hurt more to know I was used for basically sex. I mean by the end he wanted me to scour the malls for another to have sex with us. Seriously he asked this of me.

When I said I can't do that he was like it's easy. You are beautiful, anyone would want to have sex with you. So there it is. You ask what he could possibly want with you. Well easy enough, sex is a huge thing and as broke as you may think you are he also may think he can get some money from you in time as well. Also remember they usually never just come out and point blank ask for money. They give you the guilt trip. We all know there are good and bad people everywhere and I don't judge. I just know what happened to me and I think the man I knew was even worse than the majority of all of them with the orgy stuff. He's just totally warped.

It's just that these countries are well known for these tactics so keep yourself safe my dear and .don't succumb to anyone that tells you if you love them you will be willing to please them in even the worst of ways. Search for truth and don't let him make you feel guilt for doing so. If this man loves you he will guard and protect your heart and everything you hold dear. Oh by the way...I saw him this last February and his list had grown to what seem like over 100 by then lol.

The Best of Wishes In All Your Life.

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Allora buona fortuna - In Seeking Contentment [35 words]M ToveySep 30, 2021 19:05264747
11Mental Torment [324 words]ChelseaOct 3, 2021 18:18264747
1Bună Spice [109 words]MIMIOct 10, 2021 15:45264747
5Strength of Woman's Identity Not Tied to Any Man [172 words]M ToveyOct 11, 2021 16:36264747
1Bună Spice [103 words]MimiOct 12, 2021 16:19264747
3Islam is Easy on the Muslim Man - Its Record Speaks for Itself [170 words]M ToveyOct 12, 2021 18:58264747
1Bună Spice [337 words]MimiOct 13, 2021 13:11264747
5Empty Promises Lead to Empty Hearts - Seek Spiritual Truth First [199 words]M ToveyOct 14, 2021 12:20264747
3Curious [54 words]SherryOct 17, 2021 15:08264747
Resposta para Mimi [35 words]AleJan 30, 2022 15:56264747
Rat or not [175 words]MimiJan 31, 2022 13:42264747
4Do Not Be Enticed - An Empty Heart Cannot Be Filled with Empty Promsies [158 words]M ToveyJan 31, 2022 17:42264747
9Do you want my opinion? [133 words]Robin M.Feb 8, 2022 15:02264747
Rat or not [179 words]MimiFeb 9, 2022 13:59264747
4Time to let go [62 words]Robin M.Feb 9, 2022 16:38264747
Rat or not [92 words]MimiJun 23, 2022 16:27264747
2Money scamming is not the main reason [148 words]PrashantJun 24, 2022 08:49264747
Rat or not [249 words]MimiJun 24, 2022 13:12264747
3Overcoming a Fear of Separation Anxiety - Insincerity is the Witness Seen in this Delusion [239 words]M ToveyJun 25, 2022 00:00264747
2Be careful [41 words]Catherine Elaine PeppersFeb 4, 2023 14:50264747
good evening catherine [208 words]MimiFeb 5, 2023 16:02264747
20To Brainwashed Smasher about the true meaning of nikah [505 words]A very concerned readerMar 1, 2021 01:44264398
16To Sherry: Veils for answering the nature's call, the Muslim men's right to rape the unveiled women [345 words]A very concerned readerFeb 26, 2021 14:24264318
25About the houris [690 words]A very concerned readerFeb 23, 2021 00:17264210
22To N and S: some replies to your questions and resources for you! [632 words]A very concerned readerFeb 18, 2021 18:26264041
36Long Live the Non-Muslim [847 words]AliciaFeb 18, 2021 15:37264035
15So beautifully written. Real facts. Why Islam can't be compared to other religions [353 words]A very concerned readerFeb 19, 2021 15:43264035
5Breath Taking and True Post [15 words]ChelseaMar 16, 2021 19:18264035
27Talking about morals: to Alicia on her last post which by the way I love! [314 words]A very concerned readerFeb 16, 2021 00:03263953
18Reply to A very concerned reader [115 words]Jessica (Canada)Feb 17, 2021 00:04263953
22A mix of fear, convenience, jealousy and pride: women's role in Islam [652 words]A very concerned readerFeb 18, 2021 04:44263953
6Hi A very concerned reader [516 words]N and SFeb 18, 2021 13:06263953
17Muslims Countries vs The rest of the World [305 words]AliciaFeb 18, 2021 13:52263953
13Muslim's misgiving [167 words]PrashantFeb 18, 2021 16:33263953
14Wrong religion, wrong site! [84 words]A very concerned readerFeb 19, 2021 16:06263953
7100 percent correct [68 words]Jessica (Canada)Feb 20, 2021 01:34263953
8Well said a Very concerned reader [153 words]Jessica (Canada)Feb 20, 2021 01:52263953
12Here's a nice example [79 words]JeffFeb 20, 2021 21:21263953
8Oh, The houris... [441 words]A very concerned readerFeb 20, 2021 23:52263953
11Once again, one-sided love [66 words]A very concerned readerFeb 22, 2021 13:33263953
1Failure to Notice Where Devotion to God is Supreme in Eternity [211 words]M ToveyFeb 22, 2021 15:38263953
4Haha A concerned reader [12 words]jessica (canada)Feb 22, 2021 18:43263953
14A God with no compassion, a reward full of lust [116 words]A very concerned readerFeb 22, 2021 22:48263953
2Very well said [5 words]PrasthantFeb 23, 2021 22:09263953
11Recovery [76 words]SherryFeb 24, 2021 11:35263953
4Relationships that Serve the Prideful Self Always Breaks the Hearts of Others [366 words]M ToveyFeb 24, 2021 12:49263953
9NPD in Muslim men and Ali Sina [317 words]A very concerned readerFeb 24, 2021 13:25263953
9Very nice reflection, M Tovey: time comes when the only thing you see is the Muslim man [358 words]A very concerned readerFeb 25, 2021 01:35263953
4Objection on Religious Grounds - Men and Women Equal in Eyes of Heaven, Salvation [479 words]M ToveyFeb 26, 2021 18:53263953
9Narcissist destroy, empaths create: a selfish religion to cater one man's needs? [483 words]A very concerned readerMar 1, 2021 15:06263953
2Correction [45 words]A very concerned readerMar 1, 2021 17:43263953
3Male-Female Emotional Disparity - Seeking Common Ground of Love [342 words]M ToveyMar 2, 2021 13:31263953
5Sowing what we truly embrace and want to reap! [314 words]A very concerned readerMar 3, 2021 02:48263953
5Emotional Survival of the Most Desperate Kind [438 words]M ToveyMar 4, 2021 11:49263953
8To N and S [233 words]Lana(USA)Feb 11, 2021 21:19263845
17Thank you FAtou [88 words]BaboonFeb 9, 2021 12:49263786
9Hi Jessica [190 words]N and SFeb 9, 2021 15:57263786
10N and S [228 words]LinaFeb 9, 2021 17:05263786
19It's more dangerous than people may think [254 words]A very concerned readerFeb 10, 2021 14:57263786
8Very good points [213 words]LinaFeb 10, 2021 22:17263786
7Very true [120 words]A very concerned readerFeb 11, 2021 15:22263786
7N and S [471 words]Lana(USA)Feb 11, 2021 21:09263786
4N and S reply [645 words]jessica (canada)Feb 12, 2021 18:23263786
7Hi A very concerned reader [516 words]N and SFeb 17, 2021 16:51263786
3WEAK [23 words]alanaSep 12, 2021 07:00263786
48To Fatou/Adja, to the immigration officers of Western countries, to this forum readers. To those googling "I'm in love with a Muslim man" [812 words]A very concerned readerFeb 9, 2021 00:36263772
17I wish I could raise a toast to this [174 words]AliciaFeb 10, 2021 01:16263772
11Cheers! [230 words]A very concerned readerFeb 10, 2021 14:16263772
5Let's raise* that toast!!! [23 words]A very concerned readerFeb 10, 2021 15:11263772
11I could not agree more! [178 words]Lana(USA)Feb 11, 2021 01:10263772
19Why they don't like Christianity [713 words]A very concerned readerFeb 11, 2021 06:28263772
10Big hypocrite [222 words]Lana(USA)Feb 11, 2021 09:16263772
14Hijab and the hypocrisy of it [144 words]A very concerned readerFeb 11, 2021 15:13263772
4Where is the Truth Hiding When No One is Looking for it [233 words]M ToveyFeb 11, 2021 21:35263772
14My insight about Islam and why a Non Muslim woman can fit in this ideology [648 words]A very concerned readerFeb 14, 2021 00:18263772
2Why Non Muslim women can't fit* [14 words]A very concerned readerFeb 14, 2021 01:18263772
18Their lives and hearts are so dark [102 words]Ella AustraliaFeb 14, 2021 23:54263772
11Why they don't like Christianity [19 words]Lisa D.Feb 15, 2021 12:35263772
1Why Eternal Fulfillment is of Love/Respect is Hard to See [282 words]M ToveyFeb 15, 2021 18:02263772
7Well said, Islam has straight jacketed itself into self destruction. [139 words]PrasthantFeb 15, 2021 18:30263772
12Same feeling here, Ella, while we make great efforts to integrate their culture [144 words]A very concerned readerFeb 16, 2021 02:18263772
2Basis of Anthipathy Towards Judeo-Christian (Messianic) Beliefs [220 words]M ToveyFeb 19, 2021 21:55263772
3Great Truth teachings on Islam [99 words]SherryFeb 24, 2021 11:56263772
5Veils for answering the nature's call, the Muslim men's right to rape the unveiled women [338 words]A very concerned readerFeb 26, 2021 06:33263772
4Muslim dislike Christian / Christians have POWER over them [7 words]BrendaSep 17, 2021 15:28263772
7Hijab should not be used to exemplify diversity [274 words]PrashantFeb 7, 2021 01:39263720
21To Fatou: we wish we were discarded by your men!/ Thank us for warning you that they don't respect you either [335 words]A very concerned readerFeb 6, 2021 15:12263711
10Ladies here last comment [146 words]FatouFeb 6, 2021 09:56263707
Rat or not? [106 words]MimiAug 16, 2021 15:20263707
10Muslim Men will NEVER Marry a 53 year old Woman [243 words]AliciaAug 16, 2021 21:34263707
Female 53 years old. [102 words]MimiAug 17, 2021 14:42263707
5Hijab should not be presented as a symbol of diversity [159 words]PrashantFeb 6, 2021 01:47263699
7Hijab as a political statement [45 words]Lisa D.Feb 9, 2021 15:10263699
4Lina reply [90 words]FatouFeb 5, 2021 17:30263683
12Fatou: We wish they discard us!/ you should thank us for warning you [247 words]A very concerned readerFeb 6, 2021 14:57263683
4I would just leave it be [64 words]AjdaFeb 8, 2021 02:01263683
11Hmmm Fatou we all wonder [66 words]jessica (canada)Feb 8, 2021 11:51263683
5Ajda [7 words]FatouFeb 8, 2021 15:39263683
11Fatou's self-righteousness stinks [110 words]PrashantFeb 9, 2021 18:12263683
3Married [25 words]To Jessica canadaFeb 11, 2021 10:11263683
5Big hypocrites too!!! [263 words]Lana(USA)Feb 11, 2021 10:51263683
9Religion over Science [77 words]Lisa DFeb 11, 2021 12:35263683
5Gifts [12 words]LinaFeb 11, 2021 15:48263683
19Marriage means nothing in Islam, my dear [101 words]A very concerned readerFeb 11, 2021 18:04263683
6Reply about Married- and why are you using my name [143 words]jessica (canada)Feb 12, 2021 16:23263683
13Islam is the worst, Muslim countries will never prosper they just get worse [87 words]AliciaFeb 12, 2021 17:33263683
6Alicia is right about Islam [96 words]PrashantFeb 15, 2021 18:42263683
6Cannot say Merry Christmas in here. [43 words]Jessica (Canada)Feb 15, 2021 22:34263683
9You're very right, that's why our women need to be aware of this [300 words]A very concerned readerFeb 15, 2021 23:12263683
7Big thank you and my best wishes always [263 words]A very concerned readerFeb 15, 2021 23:37263683
2Rat?? [99 words]MimiAug 18, 2021 05:17263683
1ROP celebrations in Dhaka [184 words]PrashantApr 5, 2022 21:00263683
Another violent incidence in Tel Aviv [122 words]PrashantApr 7, 2022 21:03263683
15The true face of a real Muslim Woman [1019 words]AliciaFeb 5, 2021 13:58263674
21To Fatou: Muslimahs are deceived too. Are you surprised? [294 words]A very concerned readerFeb 5, 2021 13:14263670
4We all wait for Fatou reply to your comments [11 words]jessica (canada)Feb 8, 2021 11:56263670
2Lina [144 words]FatouFeb 5, 2021 09:16263662
1Explain to concerned reader [145 words]FatouFeb 5, 2021 09:08263661
16Your points [64 words]LinaFeb 5, 2021 13:54263661
21Correction and more unreplied questions [209 words]A very concerned readerFeb 5, 2021 14:43263661
14Purpose of the board [233 words]LinaFeb 5, 2021 17:34263661
8Things that happen in males parties and when nobody is watching [39 words]A very concerned readerFeb 5, 2021 20:01263661
13I'll take what I want from your culture and insult the rest [125 words]JeffFeb 5, 2021 20:44263661
16The reasons why Fatou is here and the controversial respect topic [290 words]A very concerned readerFeb 6, 2021 16:03263661
3Lina and other who take this tone in comments [107 words]FatouFeb 7, 2021 09:55263661
7Don't forget [144 words]LinaFeb 8, 2021 14:38263661
6Thank you [125 words]LinaFeb 8, 2021 14:48263661
5Or better still [18 words]LinaFeb 8, 2021 14:50263661
8So true, Lina [123 words]A concerned readerFeb 8, 2021 23:15263661
3Thanks to you too! [23 words]A very concerned readerFeb 8, 2021 23:52263661
8That is why Muslims (and the reader Fatou) need education [157 words]PrashantFeb 9, 2021 17:59263661
27Muslim Marriages the REAL WAY [1437 words]AliciaFeb 4, 2021 23:03263645
12What a good picture of Pakistani societal system [281 words]A very concerned readerFeb 5, 2021 13:58263645
7Yes muslim will never like non-muslim [86 words]jessica (canada)Feb 8, 2021 12:07263645
6This part is so true Alicia [387 words]jessica (canada)Feb 8, 2021 12:45263645
1Pipes Response/Our Religion [36 words]FatouFeb 4, 2021 16:31263624
3Teaching basic Arabic to wannabe Arabs our dear Fatou [241 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 5, 2021 14:14263624
4Guiding the perplexed our dear Fatou and deciphering the Arabic language [97 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 5, 2021 14:29263624
1Our dear Fatou and the word الصلوة/الصلاة (PRAYER) in the Qur'an [398 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 6, 2021 07:50263624
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AjdaFeb 8, 2021 09:53263624
23About arranged marriages: what Western women must know [299 words]A very concerned readerFeb 3, 2021 22:30263589
19In response to Fatou 2: It's all about respect [123 words]A very concerned readerFeb 3, 2021 17:55263578
10A very concerned reader: The correct translation of صلى الله عليه وسلم is not the PBUH nonsense [158 words]
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