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Moroccan men, on-line relationships, marriage, postingReader comment on item: Advice to Non-Muslim Women against Marrying Muslim Men Submitted by Straight_Talk_Luigi (United States), Aug 13, 2009 at 14:03 Hes not saying hes in Australia. He never once in his comment stated he was there, or still planning to get there, hes saying this woman wanted to take him to Australia...so how is it far fetched? He was just giving his side of the story, there are always two sides you know that right? Do you really expect us to believe that he's only interested in some kind of vacation? As a guy, I can pretty much verify that there's more interest here than just traveling partners or friends. Two sides of the "story"? Well, that is an interesting way to put it. I prefer to think of it as two sides to a sale. Either you're going to get the other person to believe you to make a sale, or you're going to believe the other person and not make a sale. Not just the western ladies?Just because hes a Moroccan man hes not allowed his say? As you can clearly see, his post is now on here, so he is very much allowed his say. The question you seem to be posing is why he is not received openly by the women on this site? Well, have you read their stories? Many of the them have been hurt by both Western and Muslim men, often after investing years, sometimes decades into the relationship that resulted in children---now they are struggling single parents, so can you really blame them? I don't blame them or this man either for feeling the way he does, but with all the suspicious activity on this site lately, it does require a grain of salt. I'm starting to think that you've never been seriously hurt by a man before. He's automatically branded a "liar" or someone who makes "far fetched" comments" No, he's branded as suspicious for the way he is acting, which is similar to other scams perpetrated by Russians Hmm It seems to me alot of people on here like to get a Moroccan/Egyptian partner some kind of Shirley Valentine thing? Or you guys just like to use him as an exotic object. Looking at the man-defense and cultural cheerleading posts over the years, I'd say in numerous cases it's all about being 1) exotic 2) younger That's really what it comes down to when you see past all the rationalizing on here. Make no mistake, though, the scammers discussed on here pretty much know what they are doing. Id like a response to know how his story is "far fetched"? Because as Isis said, The Australian government will not grant a visa to a man with such credentials. The USA and especially the UK now have rigid standards. They will not just let anyone in these days, which of course means setting their personal opinions about someone's nationality aside. Before you all jump on at me I am not married to or dating any Moroccan man, my Dad is Moroccan and my mother is English, they are still happily married to each other after 30 years. So, you came on here to defend your father's culture? Is that what this is all about? Some kind of cultural stand? Do you consider yourself, Moroccan, English, or both? Also, on-line scamming did not exist 30 years ago because the internet did not exist, and you do not specify the conditions under which they met, as in living and being raised in the same neighborhood. It does make a big difference and even then there are clearly some cultural differences to overcome. Needless to say, such situations are not very common, especially if the "relationship" is international. Some men are bad and some are good, thats life its nothing to do with Moroccans. That explanation has become commonplace on here lately and will not suffice for this board. It merely becomes an excuse to continue, as you say, a "Shirley Valentine" relationship. If its about what these men have done to you, I wonder if you have sympathy for men who are being used by Russian women? Or are you of the opinion "silly old man, what did he think someone that young/pretty would want him for?" I'm more of the opinion of "silly old man". No one can blame an older person for getting romantic and sexual attention from someone younger, but the facts and stats about these relationships do not lie: most of the those do not work out, even among people of the same nationality and neighborhood, so I'm sure you can appreciate how much more complicated---and unlikely to succeed----such a relationship becomes. I ask no less of the women who come on here in a very confused state of mind. A lot of the patterns I see in Russian women who scam American men are prevalent on this board. I have said repeatedly that it is has little to nothing to do with the Moroccan culture. These are just my opinions, I came accross this site as I was looking for advice on how to find a Muslim husband. You're telling me that you need to look on-line for advice on to find a good Muslim husband, yet you chide the women on this site for doing something similar? What about marrying a Christian man? Would that be so bad? I think the women here are very bitter (yes I understand your hurt!) but move on! Farrah I just dont understand you at all! Are you for real? Is everything your telling us the truth? As much as I dont agree with a lot that Lugi says, hes very balanced and he has good advice! Thanks for compliment, but most of the regular posters on here are not bitter. I do not think it's something you can fully appreciate until you've experienced it yourself. As he says if your posting "do you know this man" (for eg) theres something seriously wrong with you your partner or your relationship. Move on ladies and grow up! Well, I rather see the readers follow the advice given on this site about behavioral patterns instead of trying to catch and compare their man to someone else's, although considering the global nature of this site, I am surprised to see at how women have more than once realized they have the same man. It would be nice to get some more names on here if nothing else, to prevent more heartaches and disasters. Note: Opinions expressed in comments are those of the authors alone and not necessarily those of Daniel Pipes. Original writing only, please. Comments are screened and in some cases edited before posting. Reasoned disagreement is welcome but not comments that are scurrilous, off-topic, commercial, disparaging religions, or otherwise inappropriate. 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