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Submitted by Stephanie (United States), Sep 3, 2009 at 10:01

I've taken this area to relay a message because I know it's a wellknown site. Ignoring her seems to pee her off even more. So I've decided to make this strictly for her reading. A stranger whom I do not know on the other side of the U.S.A. writes all over her pages calling me a bitch and whore because a man she cares has always loved me. Which of course, I could never help. What I really want this woman to know is, I am sorry he doesn't love you as you wish him to. I know it must break your heart and the odd thing is, I do feel for you. I am sorry after all this time, you couldn't make him see who you really are and if he does, well sometimes people look for certain things in others the one just can't offer. I know you thought if I was out of the picture he'd fall into your arms. The truth is, people can't help who they love. Most likely he will fall into someone else's arms when I am not around because you can never force love. I remember you writing on your Myspace once that you had finally won and he was still with me at the time. For me it was never a battle between you and I. Either the man loves me or he doesn't and I can't help that. You were never an issue with me or some kind of competition. I won't be with any man that would ever put me in that situation where I felt like I was competing for his affection. No man is worth that and especially not him and no man is good enough for me that would ever do such an asinine thing. We both know He will fight for what he truly wants and you will fight for what you want and then in the end where will you be? Will he finally just automatically think you are his world even though he has had plenty of time to figure that out...or...will he finally reach his breaking point and hate you for being so obsessive and start blaming you for what he has ultimately lost? Who knows. I assure you, I have taken my steps back and looked at the whole scenario and I chose another way of life completely far away from him. I don't care for the man you so desperately want any more. Is that clear? Even if he says he loves me, I don't care any more.

I never had to hack into anything as you say. This man you love had showed me some of your emails before when we resided together and when I had Myspace, I was well aware when you were just a friend. I had remembered your Id from you page on Myspace. By the way, at one point I even had his password to his accounts because he gave them to me for us to keep contact. I never had to ever hack. I never was so obsessed with doing crazy things to figure anything out. Any normal person, when they find out years of their life had not been as it seemed, and the one that said every day he adored her and loved her, well I suppose anyone would wonder to some degree how the hell...I couldn't help it. Even if he was afraid of losing me, no one should have to learn in the heat of anger what I did. It caused a bit of curiosity but I don't think I intruded on your life as you seem to insinuate by just looking at your page. After all I never say a thing to you or do anything. But hacking you? really I don't know why you seem to have all that in your head. Obviously someone else is either bothering or...you are making it up...or you are doing it yourself to gain attention. It's not hard to look up things on the Internet but I have never hacked any one. Another thing, I definitely would never want to be you. Honestly, after reading all I have to say this should be very clear.

Personally, I think it would suck to be so desperate for someone that didn't feel the same. Also it's a great waste of time and life is way too short to just waste. There is a beautiful man out there that would give you his whole heart, give you the sex and not just a platonic relationship and you'd know he was sincere. The man you want, He might love you as a friend but even if he stayed around acting the role because he was scared or even at times he felt sad he caused you pain, you would still know he'd have a real love on the side and you would still just be the good friend. I know him and he always reaches a breaking point when he has had enough. It will come to that with you too. People can only take so much. Deep down you know you will never ever be able to trust him and what kind of life is that? It doesn't mean he's bad since he isnt happy with you because he can't help that. You can't help it either.

I have no reasons to want to cause you pain. I am just telling you to open your eyes. I won't splatter hateful things about you or bad name calling all over my sites referring to you as you have done to me. I do want you to know some things. Tell me, with your power right now, he does live in a bit of fear of what he thinks you can do. He does from me too but the only time I will ever make trouble is if I realize his being here effects me. If he lays low and doesn't mess with my life in anyway we shall do just fine. The truth is, he has more to worry about with you. If you get so upset that what you expected to happen never happens just remember if you do anything to him, you both will get into trouble. I hope you are intelligent enough to realize that. With your son, I wouldn't ever take that risk. Also, I was allowed to read an email showing me you offering him to marry him for the greencard as friends so you can't argue if things go wrong that you just never knew he was that way. I would testify you were full aware of it all. Right now he worries what you could do so he tries to appease you but eventually that will change. Deep down you will always know everything you get, if he talks to you, acknowledges you, even gives you the light of day, it has not been from the heart. To me, I couldn't bear that thought, to know nothing was ever real, yet maybe you are just happy to have what you can get?

If he chooses to call me it really shouldn't matter and from what I gathered during the last months you have been really concerned if we have contact. Also, I'm a big girl and he is a big boy. Whatever he does he will do whether you act like a saint to him or an evil witch. He will just hide it and do it behind your back like a child if you make trouble...and then lie to you while he's doing it. Is that really how you want it? At some point you surely understand no one can be made to love you. As for me, I don't play in the picture any more and not because you forced me out or there were no feelings on our part. For me it is my choice. It's because I don't want any part of this situation any more or have to even deal with you either. I will never know if what he tells me is true or lies which for me is sad. I will never trust him again or see him as a sincere person. I know that in itself causes him pain. When he tries to tell me all you ever were was just a friend, this great friend, after he threw you in my face...I will never look at him as I used to. There is no changing that and he has to bear that. He knows what we shared...yet what is done is done. It's how I was treated during the time that led up to what he chose from trying desperately to keep all the lies from me and after, even though there might be some emotions there and memories, I know for a fact I could never go back. I choose to walk away. I could never live like that so I have moved on and he needs to...and you need to too. I will never call you names or say derogatory remarks towards you but I think I have a right to say what I feel. I sit back and listen to you rant and rave all the time. Crying over loving someone that doesn't love you or...assume I am some whore because he had chosen me over you. It's all ...bullsh*it.

I wish you well in your life and I hope some day in your life you do find your real love. I suppose the man I speak about will find his life too and eventually we will all know where our proper places are. For now I am done caring about anything you have to say anymore and this is to let you know. I was with him long before you ever came into the picture. Most people would think you would be the bad one in this situation so I never understood how you just sat back and called me a whore simply because he didn't love you. Very strange.

I don't blame you by the way, for the situation. I do blame him. It wasn't a situation either one of us should have had to be in and if he had been a loving person he wouldn't have put either one of us through this. There shouldn't have been a question of who was the lover and who was the friend and the respect should have been to all parties involved. You came in, wanted what you couldn't have but could give him something he desperately needed, the greencard. Me, I was his girlfriend but not ready to totally commit because I just wasn't ready and I shouldn't have been forced to marry quickly just because he needed to stay here. Usually it's not such an issue in a normal relationship to get married but our time limit was within the three months he cames into the U.S. A... Nothing was normal but somehow are relationship continued. So he kept me, used you...got what he needed and lied to us both I suppose, although he said you always knew upfront you were just his friend and the situation. Who knows. Who can believe anyone or anything? In the end, none of it should have happened. Please, in the utmost sense of the word, take care. ...

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17Muslims Countries vs The rest of the World [305 words]AliciaFeb 18, 2021 13:52263953
13Muslim's misgiving [167 words]PrashantFeb 18, 2021 16:33263953
14Wrong religion, wrong site! [84 words]A very concerned readerFeb 19, 2021 16:06263953
7100 percent correct [68 words]Jessica (Canada)Feb 20, 2021 01:34263953
8Well said a Very concerned reader [153 words]Jessica (Canada)Feb 20, 2021 01:52263953
12Here's a nice example [79 words]JeffFeb 20, 2021 21:21263953
8Oh, The houris... [441 words]A very concerned readerFeb 20, 2021 23:52263953
11Once again, one-sided love [66 words]A very concerned readerFeb 22, 2021 13:33263953
1Failure to Notice Where Devotion to God is Supreme in Eternity [211 words]M ToveyFeb 22, 2021 15:38263953
4Haha A concerned reader [12 words]jessica (canada)Feb 22, 2021 18:43263953
14A God with no compassion, a reward full of lust [116 words]A very concerned readerFeb 22, 2021 22:48263953
2Very well said [5 words]PrasthantFeb 23, 2021 22:09263953
11Recovery [76 words]SherryFeb 24, 2021 11:35263953
4Relationships that Serve the Prideful Self Always Breaks the Hearts of Others [366 words]M ToveyFeb 24, 2021 12:49263953
9NPD in Muslim men and Ali Sina [317 words]A very concerned readerFeb 24, 2021 13:25263953
9Very nice reflection, M Tovey: time comes when the only thing you see is the Muslim man [358 words]A very concerned readerFeb 25, 2021 01:35263953
4Objection on Religious Grounds - Men and Women Equal in Eyes of Heaven, Salvation [479 words]M ToveyFeb 26, 2021 18:53263953
9Narcissist destroy, empaths create: a selfish religion to cater one man's needs? [483 words]A very concerned readerMar 1, 2021 15:06263953
2Correction [45 words]A very concerned readerMar 1, 2021 17:43263953
3Male-Female Emotional Disparity - Seeking Common Ground of Love [342 words]M ToveyMar 2, 2021 13:31263953
5Sowing what we truly embrace and want to reap! [314 words]A very concerned readerMar 3, 2021 02:48263953
5Emotional Survival of the Most Desperate Kind [438 words]M ToveyMar 4, 2021 11:49263953
8To N and S [233 words]Lana(USA)Feb 11, 2021 21:19263845
17Thank you FAtou [88 words]BaboonFeb 9, 2021 12:49263786
9Hi Jessica [190 words]N and SFeb 9, 2021 15:57263786
10N and S [228 words]LinaFeb 9, 2021 17:05263786
19It's more dangerous than people may think [254 words]A very concerned readerFeb 10, 2021 14:57263786
8Very good points [213 words]LinaFeb 10, 2021 22:17263786
7Very true [120 words]A very concerned readerFeb 11, 2021 15:22263786
7N and S [471 words]Lana(USA)Feb 11, 2021 21:09263786
4N and S reply [645 words]jessica (canada)Feb 12, 2021 18:23263786
7Hi A very concerned reader [516 words]N and SFeb 17, 2021 16:51263786
3WEAK [23 words]alanaSep 12, 2021 07:00263786
48To Fatou/Adja, to the immigration officers of Western countries, to this forum readers. To those googling "I'm in love with a Muslim man" [812 words]A very concerned readerFeb 9, 2021 00:36263772
17I wish I could raise a toast to this [174 words]AliciaFeb 10, 2021 01:16263772
11Cheers! [230 words]A very concerned readerFeb 10, 2021 14:16263772
5Let's raise* that toast!!! [23 words]A very concerned readerFeb 10, 2021 15:11263772
11I could not agree more! [178 words]Lana(USA)Feb 11, 2021 01:10263772
19Why they don't like Christianity [713 words]A very concerned readerFeb 11, 2021 06:28263772
10Big hypocrite [222 words]Lana(USA)Feb 11, 2021 09:16263772
14Hijab and the hypocrisy of it [144 words]A very concerned readerFeb 11, 2021 15:13263772
4Where is the Truth Hiding When No One is Looking for it [233 words]M ToveyFeb 11, 2021 21:35263772
14My insight about Islam and why a Non Muslim woman can fit in this ideology [648 words]A very concerned readerFeb 14, 2021 00:18263772
2Why Non Muslim women can't fit* [14 words]A very concerned readerFeb 14, 2021 01:18263772
18Their lives and hearts are so dark [102 words]Ella AustraliaFeb 14, 2021 23:54263772
11Why they don't like Christianity [19 words]Lisa D.Feb 15, 2021 12:35263772
1Why Eternal Fulfillment is of Love/Respect is Hard to See [282 words]M ToveyFeb 15, 2021 18:02263772
7Well said, Islam has straight jacketed itself into self destruction. [139 words]PrasthantFeb 15, 2021 18:30263772
12Same feeling here, Ella, while we make great efforts to integrate their culture [144 words]A very concerned readerFeb 16, 2021 02:18263772
2Basis of Anthipathy Towards Judeo-Christian (Messianic) Beliefs [220 words]M ToveyFeb 19, 2021 21:55263772
3Great Truth teachings on Islam [99 words]SherryFeb 24, 2021 11:56263772
5Veils for answering the nature's call, the Muslim men's right to rape the unveiled women [338 words]A very concerned readerFeb 26, 2021 06:33263772
4Muslim dislike Christian / Christians have POWER over them [7 words]BrendaSep 17, 2021 15:28263772
7Hijab should not be used to exemplify diversity [274 words]PrashantFeb 7, 2021 01:39263720
21To Fatou: we wish we were discarded by your men!/ Thank us for warning you that they don't respect you either [335 words]A very concerned readerFeb 6, 2021 15:12263711
10Ladies here last comment [146 words]FatouFeb 6, 2021 09:56263707
Rat or not? [106 words]MimiAug 16, 2021 15:20263707
10Muslim Men will NEVER Marry a 53 year old Woman [243 words]AliciaAug 16, 2021 21:34263707
Female 53 years old. [102 words]MimiAug 17, 2021 14:42263707
5Hijab should not be presented as a symbol of diversity [159 words]PrashantFeb 6, 2021 01:47263699
7Hijab as a political statement [45 words]Lisa D.Feb 9, 2021 15:10263699
4Lina reply [90 words]FatouFeb 5, 2021 17:30263683
12Fatou: We wish they discard us!/ you should thank us for warning you [247 words]A very concerned readerFeb 6, 2021 14:57263683
4I would just leave it be [64 words]AjdaFeb 8, 2021 02:01263683
11Hmmm Fatou we all wonder [66 words]jessica (canada)Feb 8, 2021 11:51263683
5Ajda [7 words]FatouFeb 8, 2021 15:39263683
11Fatou's self-righteousness stinks [110 words]PrashantFeb 9, 2021 18:12263683
3Married [25 words]To Jessica canadaFeb 11, 2021 10:11263683
5Big hypocrites too!!! [263 words]Lana(USA)Feb 11, 2021 10:51263683
9Religion over Science [77 words]Lisa DFeb 11, 2021 12:35263683
5Gifts [12 words]LinaFeb 11, 2021 15:48263683
19Marriage means nothing in Islam, my dear [101 words]A very concerned readerFeb 11, 2021 18:04263683
6Reply about Married- and why are you using my name [143 words]jessica (canada)Feb 12, 2021 16:23263683
13Islam is the worst, Muslim countries will never prosper they just get worse [87 words]AliciaFeb 12, 2021 17:33263683
6Alicia is right about Islam [96 words]PrashantFeb 15, 2021 18:42263683
6Cannot say Merry Christmas in here. [43 words]Jessica (Canada)Feb 15, 2021 22:34263683
9You're very right, that's why our women need to be aware of this [300 words]A very concerned readerFeb 15, 2021 23:12263683
7Big thank you and my best wishes always [263 words]A very concerned readerFeb 15, 2021 23:37263683
2Rat?? [99 words]MimiAug 18, 2021 05:17263683
1ROP celebrations in Dhaka [184 words]PrashantApr 5, 2022 21:00263683
Another violent incidence in Tel Aviv [122 words]PrashantApr 7, 2022 21:03263683
15The true face of a real Muslim Woman [1019 words]AliciaFeb 5, 2021 13:58263674
21To Fatou: Muslimahs are deceived too. Are you surprised? [294 words]A very concerned readerFeb 5, 2021 13:14263670
4We all wait for Fatou reply to your comments [11 words]jessica (canada)Feb 8, 2021 11:56263670
2Lina [144 words]FatouFeb 5, 2021 09:16263662
1Explain to concerned reader [145 words]FatouFeb 5, 2021 09:08263661
16Your points [64 words]LinaFeb 5, 2021 13:54263661
21Correction and more unreplied questions [209 words]A very concerned readerFeb 5, 2021 14:43263661
14Purpose of the board [233 words]LinaFeb 5, 2021 17:34263661
8Things that happen in males parties and when nobody is watching [39 words]A very concerned readerFeb 5, 2021 20:01263661
13I'll take what I want from your culture and insult the rest [125 words]JeffFeb 5, 2021 20:44263661
16The reasons why Fatou is here and the controversial respect topic [290 words]A very concerned readerFeb 6, 2021 16:03263661
3Lina and other who take this tone in comments [107 words]FatouFeb 7, 2021 09:55263661
7Don't forget [144 words]LinaFeb 8, 2021 14:38263661
6Thank you [125 words]LinaFeb 8, 2021 14:48263661
5Or better still [18 words]LinaFeb 8, 2021 14:50263661
8So true, Lina [123 words]A concerned readerFeb 8, 2021 23:15263661
3Thanks to you too! [23 words]A very concerned readerFeb 8, 2021 23:52263661
8That is why Muslims (and the reader Fatou) need education [157 words]PrashantFeb 9, 2021 17:59263661
27Muslim Marriages the REAL WAY [1437 words]AliciaFeb 4, 2021 23:03263645
12What a good picture of Pakistani societal system [281 words]A very concerned readerFeb 5, 2021 13:58263645
7Yes muslim will never like non-muslim [86 words]jessica (canada)Feb 8, 2021 12:07263645
6This part is so true Alicia [387 words]jessica (canada)Feb 8, 2021 12:45263645
1Pipes Response/Our Religion [36 words]FatouFeb 4, 2021 16:31263624
3Teaching basic Arabic to wannabe Arabs our dear Fatou [241 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 5, 2021 14:14263624
4Guiding the perplexed our dear Fatou and deciphering the Arabic language [97 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 5, 2021 14:29263624
1Our dear Fatou and the word الصلوة/الصلاة (PRAYER) in the Qur'an [398 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 6, 2021 07:50263624
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AjdaFeb 8, 2021 09:53263624
23About arranged marriages: what Western women must know [299 words]A very concerned readerFeb 3, 2021 22:30263589
19In response to Fatou 2: It's all about respect [123 words]A very concerned readerFeb 3, 2021 17:55263578
10A very concerned reader: The correct translation of صلى الله عليه وسلم is not the PBUH nonsense [158 words]
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