Second Response to Lina

Submitted by Straight_Talk_Luigi (United States), Oct 30, 2009 at 18:36

You generalized me in that you've evaluated my entire character as "naive" based on a few paragraphs on the internet. Sweeping enough for me.

Again, I said what you wrote was naive, and no, that is not a sweeping generalization.

Talking of contradiction, you have consistently criticized online dating and yet you have hooked up with several needy or scheming women via social networking websites. Discuss?

I have and I share my experiences to prevent others from making the same mistakes I have. And yes, Lina, Moroccan men can be just as bad and I could care less whether or not that affects your personal feelings.

I HOPE Lisa's relationship is real... I have nothing against intercultural relationships... I admit I do have a problem with certain online dating scenarios, where the outcome is clear for everyone to see. Lisa strikes me as intelligent and streetwise, and I've seen no major red flags between Simo and she. Maybe there have been some, but they've passed me by...

How convienent. I don't suppose they've "passed you by" because you and Simo have a common heritage and Lisa wastes her time defending you because you agree with her despite numerous posts made previously by you indicating that on-line dating is not a good thing to say the least.

And yet you've determined that she's an intelligent just from her posts, but having much more experience on blogging than you do, I am apparently unable to notice a person's character?

I do hope you realize your contradictions on here, Lina. Defense posts are teeming rich with them.

I supported Lisa before I even saw her Myspace. Schmaltzy wedding photos are incapable of swaying my judgement.

Didn't you reply to her that you liked her photos, and now they are schmaltzy?

Like I said, contradictions.

I have no personal or selfish vendetta at all. I have nothing against anyone, as long as their character is what I deem honest, I don't see people as their race or social status... and therefore I'm not out to defend an entire culture. I'm sure statistics are very important in the field of science and several other fancy-pantsy departments, but on the mean streets they don't mean jack most of the time - I wish they did, but when have they really helped anyone lately?

They have been useful to me in terms of helping people on this board. That's who they have helped. Relationships and this street cred that you talk about----it's all in the numbers and all quantifiable. Stats and facts go hand in hand, and relationship defense posts on here cringe and despise them because it defeats their emotive whirlwind arguements defnintively.

Trying to downplay my intelligence, eh? Cute.

In an earlier post, we both agreed that education and intelligence are two seperate things. However, you only seem to want to apply facts when they suit your needs. A typical(often intentional) error made in blogging.

If you think that makes me cute, I'll take it as a compliment.

Especially when you've accused so many Arab and Muslim men of attempting to lower women's self-esteem.

I want to see the exact posts where I specifically said this about Arab and Muslim men.

Stop playing the race and religion card, Lina.

Oh, and Btw, onl abouty 20% of Muslims are Arabs.

Really, Luigi, it's schoolyard behaviour and it doesn't contribute to anything positive.

That's why I don't do it.

I don't really care how anyone perceives me on here, I know who I am and I'm proud. I say "lol" because I have a sense of humour. Excuse my adolescence.

I'm sure that in the future a lot of posters will and many already do. Humility will get you a lot further in life.

Why does Simo concern you? What do you think his intentions are? And where is your concrete evidence?

Quick marriage, visa, Lisa running around here defending him, ect. All the signs are there, Lina. I am convinced he's up to no good. I've seen the exact behavior before and I've experienced myself.

Lisa's posts concern me not just for herself, but because she has put forth information that I find to be incorrect and that needs to be contended.

Even you know this, what with you meeting ladies on Myspace.

I don't do that anymore. I'm in a stable, normal relationship now. And you're right, it did take me more than lesson to learn what I needed to learn.

Also, you will find people with mental disorders prowling bars, outside schools and on the streets... they're really not fussy, it's just that the internet provides predators a more anonymous and slick way to target victims (ie. lonely women) and calculate schemes.

You're more likely to find these individuals on the internet because it's a more secure medium where they can avoid face-to-face contact.

It's also a big reason why many scams operate over phone and mail. It's easier to conceal the deceit and you are more likely to get a big, fat YES.

You don't know that... maybe some avant-garde people have exchanged e-rings at some point, lol (oh, sorry)

Show me a documented case of it then. And don't tell me what I know. All that suggests is that you have anything tangible to back up your claims.

Marriage in every country I know of, even in the decaying secular ones, is a contract between at least two people and usually requires at least one witness.

Of course, given how many Western government leaders now see marriage as an obstacle to their uncouth sexual appetites, I would not be surprised if that were to happen in the future.

I'm aware of that, Luigi, it's just that, if you catch up with the world a tad you'll find that it's becoming quite a phenomenon in Morocco lately, with the country emerging as a sex tourism hotspot - not just for women, but for paedophiles. It's well-known in the Middle East, and Moroccan women have an iffy reputation throughout.

Catch up to the world? I've already noted Morocco's position in the world as an emerging place for sexual business.

I know of several Moroccan women who would take offense to that. Listen, Lina, just because women dress up differently and don't look like nuns does not mean that they are asking for sex.

I agree that sex tourism there is a problem, and yes, it will increase.

You do? Must be a lot of Moroccan women in your state

I had a couple of Moroccan female friends. They always seemed interested in what I thought about their latest fashion choices. Just normal 18-19 year old girls.

Few relationships are perfect, on all scales.

The relationship does not have to be perfect to succeed. Statements like that only encourage women to do stupid things because some piece of them wants to believe what they have is real, and the idea that "nobody's perfect" is one that will just not fly here.

PS--I used that excuse before myself.

Most Moroccan men who prefer to marry Moroccan women do so because it's what's expected of them and because they're patriotic/untrusting of other races... especially Imazighen, who are "like" really proud of their heritage. It has nothing to do with looks.

You might be surprised at how some of the women married to such proud men really feel.

What does looking like a slut have to do with online dating? I'm baffled. I'd say it's the opposite, that women are scared of looking like wallflowers, while their men drool over pornstars

I have responded to Istanbulchick, Luigi, if you refer back to a post of mine.......

The difference with you and Hisham is that he doesn't attack women's characters and accuse random people of being mentally unsound.

Translation: You mean Hisham has never questioned Lisa or Isis's relationship and because he's an Egyptian, you find favor with him.

Also, I've never "accused" anyone of being mentally unsound, but I have pointed out several times that some individuals on here might have a mental illness.

What do you expect, Lina? Your average woman on here is going through a divorce, in some cases, the women carried children for these men and invested decades of their lives. Is it so unbelievable that they might at least be going through a depression?

I'm not really convinced that you've come to appreciate how devastating that can be. When I first got here, I thought I had had problems with all those myspace women you mentioned, but it's nothing compared to what happened to Isis and Yasmine.

No one said that Islam is behind anything? Usually these burns are caused by hypocrites, emotional abusers using religion as a crutch, con artists, mama's boy syndrome and a handful of personality disorders.

Exactly.

I'm done here. Every time I post something, I'm attacked and I can't express my opinion without you insulting its juxtaposition with yours.

I just went through this with Lisa---disagreeing with someone is not an attack. And you can express your opinion on here anytime you like as far as I am concerned, but if you geniuely feel that your posts are being edited or not posted, then you'll need to talk to moderators.

Otherwise, Lina, it just sounds like a lame excuse.

I myself am open to new ideas and suggestions, and try to develop and improve. But others, especially full-grown adults, are really stuck in their views and it's a shame.

Well, Lina, they are no longer the young, impressionable mind that you have. And people generally do not like change.

Again, there are few results here . Everything winds up in the same direction, and any psychologist will tell you that merely telling people not to do something will only make matters worse. You have to dig beneath the surface...

That's what I do, Lina. The trouble is some folks don't want to do that for themselves. Some (women especially) see it as a violation of their privacy. Other people are worried someone will find something to bust their relationship wide open with red flags.

these women are on here for a reason, they are going through serious problems.

I agree.

Women don't choose to be in these scenarios.

Eh, well, I can see the logic. Men biologically tend to have a lot of influence over women, whose natural instincts are on the spectrum of being led. That's why I have to explain in such detail what is going on, so they understand they are being misled.

The other problem is that many of the women on here have been married for a decade or more. 10 years ago, the internet was just coming on, and even then, there wasn't much in on-line dating, and facebook, myspace and all those social networking sites did not exist. They really have no idea how bad and insidious on-line people can be, and ironically, many of them are educated and if a door-to-door salesman showed up or if someone called their home asking them to switch telephone service, they would end it right there.

While I understand that, a court of law will not, even for you, now that you are 18. If you go in there and say "but I was swept off my feet, Your Honor" and believe me there's a gazillion stories of those, they'll tell you

a) To stay away from said individual and

b) Too bad. You're adult, you make your own decisions, and that's what the law says.

Why else do you think that these scammers are so anxious to enter into a marriage with their victim? Because that way, Lina, they get them to consent, because they know that a marriage is a contract between two people and the state.

Try telling a sexual predator to stop abusing his niece or nephew, think it'll work? That's why there's so much corruption, people aren't open enough about off-key or natural feelings. They become curious and go to places they shouldn't... you tell someone not to do something, they'll be even more tempted.

I am impressed by this observation, Lina. This is the sort of stuff I am used to from you. You're exactly right.

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