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Submitted by Lisa (United States), Oct 31, 2009 at 11:56

In response to my info I left for Cold Feet in USA and Luigi's comments back to the poster (myself-Lisa USA) in reference to my info I left Cold Feet concerning marriage and knowledge of marriage in other countries and knowing the person you are engaged to in on-line mixed marriages....Lisa

Luigi states :First of all, if your marriage is so wonderful, what prompted you to search for this stuff on-line?

Second of all, I don't appreciate people coming on here and generalizing about posters. My statements are backed in full by experience, facts, investigations and relationship insight. To answer your statement Luigi, First of all I found this board BEFORE I married my husband and my husband is a good man. I have never said he is "wonderful". He is a human-being. We all have faults,even if its leaving water on floor in the bathroom,lol....He is an honest man, doesn't lavish sweet words i just want to hear. Our conversations consists of our daily activities and how are the kids and we talk about his new job. We don't talk about visa's and America. He knows when I hear something, I will tell him our news. We have a normal marriage about as normal as it can be living in two different worlds. We miss one another and we do the best we can to keep our love alive considering the situation. It takes a lot of patience on both ends for these relationships to work and you have to be able to feel you trust your husbands and Fiances. They have to be able to do the same of you. How does he know you are not cheating on him? If there is no trust, these long-distance relationships will never work. Only you know your conversations, how he acts with you, what he talks about with you, what kind of family he has, their demeanor toward others, how he treats them, how he is valued around family and friends. Only she will know this or be able to learn these facts. She will not learn that from you constantly criticizing "ALL" of these Arabic men. If "Coldfeet in USA" is on here asking advice and having to take a friend with her because she does not trust her fiance of two years, she needs to ask herself why she is having cold-feet. What are her reasons? His actions, has he sent her mixed signals within the two years? Has he disappeared on her within the two years or has he been there for her daily in two years? Has he been patient with her within these two years and understanding? His character and rages if any.... How many more years and time is she going to waste before she allows herself to meet another man to share her life? If this is something she is head-strong about, she will not allow herself to move forward til she meets him and decides (without pressure) if this is something she really wants. Maybe she wants to take a friend because others suggested it here and i don't think she has said its cause she does not trust him or I would not be giving her this advice. She is scared of traveling cause she never has traveled. If she wants to take a friend for companionship to share this trip with her, she should be able to without being criticized for it, don't you think Luigi? If its cause she has seen these patterns and red flags mentioned here, then she needs to end it. Its her choice and she has to be the one to live with her decisions not you and not myself or others here.

Luigi's statement to knowing your partner: That is absolutely incorrect. There are very clear behavior patterns and red flags that signify whether or not the relationship is real. She has not posted any info other than having cold feet about traveling alone and his not having knowledge about marrying. My advice to her was maybe he is being honest about the embassy. My husband did not know how to go about getting married as well. He had to go and talk to a lawyer friend to ask to make sure and only after I did research on-line and told hgim what needs to be done. If he has never married, he will not know how to go about getting married. My husband was hoping his father was going to help in this matter, but we went at it our own and we wasted a whole week of our trip trying to find out how to marry from day to day and being sen t here and there and back again. I told him I would have to go to the Embassy but after that, he would have to find out where to go afterwards which he did through sisters after they knew about me. Luigi she didn't give us any knowledge in her relationship, and you quickly said he has red flags. I think before you can say this about him, she would have to post more private details and even with this you are too quick to judge these men because you don't want to see that any are good. Oh but you will say there are good ones and how you haven't said this but if a lady comes here and posts advice or give knowledge through her experiences you automatically say she too is looking for answers and how her man is bad too. You have even gone as far and have posted here i don't love my husband. You don't know how I feel about my husband and what we have shared together. Ask my kids If I love my husband! What I have endeared from being in a mixed relationship. The negativity from a brother not cause my husband is an Arabic or Muslim or Foreigner but because he may have black somewhere in his genes (who cares...we may have black within our ancestors too) but he has made it known to me, he is not his brother in-law cause of the black factor and if he is from Africa continent then he has to be black,lol. His ignorance not mine.

Luigi states My statements are backed in full by experience, facts, investigations and relationship insight.

Well Luigi having a myspace girl friend you were in love with and you were foolish enough to send her money and give her your credit card info in your 20's and you were so naive to do this and want to help her and she turns out to be sleeping with others and she couldn't be trusted does not exactly make you an expert on advice and insight into others relationships because yours failed. Not all men scam and not all women are money grubbers. Not all women are as naive as you allowed yourself to be. Boys in their 20's can make foolish decisions like women who allow themselves to be mistreated. You also have admitted here you still go on-line and meet women BUT LOCAL women after telling people here not to...and you have gone and met women you trusted on-line and met out in public. You are doing the same thing but choose to do so locally. Its the same as meeting strangers in your town or traveling abroad. If women meet someone that they have interest in, who lives afar they have two choices, meet him or not. Its their choice if they want to spend their money to choose to travel and do so. Not for you to constantly criticize these women when you are doing the same thing at times which you have admitted too here on this blog. Your insight is "your opinion" not based on facts. Its YOUR FACTS and you have not investigated any of these men, so what are you talking about? You don't have an open-mind to any of these mixed relationships and you are quick to judge people and make false accusations judged on "your opinion" and it doesn't matter if the man is different or has a good heart and good intentions because you and scorned women here will say there is not any of these men different and you say the women are stupid if they believe otherwise. I am not a stupid woman and I am not also a naive woman that can be intimidated by my man or any man or by your postings. That is why I will stand up to you on this board. I can be just as head-strong and stubborn as you. That is why you don't like me and you criticize my husband without knowing facts or knowing him. You hate that I post positive things here cause it goes against what you are trying to preach to these women about Arabic men. These women need to hear "Both sides' not just yours. I think a woman in her 40's who have actually been in a mixed relationship, presently married to an Arabic man, had an on-line relationship for almost two years, and who have traveled to foreign countries more than once and who have been married for years prior, separated on and off in this marriage relationship with this married partner, I have seen cheating ways and experienced it with my ex and who have a son in the 20's like your age have way more knowledge than you can ever have by basing things on your "Opinions based on other's scams and your Myspace woman" You want to post you have so much more knowledge than anyone here posting when in fact you don't.

Secondly, if she were so sure about him and his character, she would not need her friend to go along with her and she would not need third party advice from us. I have touched on this statement from you above. I will add, sometimes reading this board will allow yourself to kill a relationship before it even begins because how you Luigi automatically want to see red flags in all these relationships and so does others here who have had failed relationships with these men and do not trust mixed relationships or had sorry men to begin with. We don't know these facts from Cold-feet. but yet you 'generalize-your favorite word' . How about quit trying to read between lines and planting stuff there that may not be there and let people decide for themselves cause they will see patterns in their fiance or husbands to know. The red Flags are posted here. ladies if you are any older than your Fiance or husband, Luigi has your relationship deemed red flags just cause he likes younger women and feel older women and younger men relationships fail. Its simply not true for all relationships. My mom was married to an American man who was 10-12 years younger as I have stated in other posts. He died loving my mom cause she was a good woman and they met when she already had 4 kids and could not have more and he did not have his own kids....and its not an isolated case. I know of several relationships which have worked with younger men. Luigi just cause these men are younger doesn't mean they will not out-live the woman! My step father died before my mom and they met in 30's and she is now 63. So please don't tell me how it just does not happen in society.

Luigi states Also---marriage is the finish line in these relationships. I invite you to consider this in your own relationship. marriage is the BEGINNING not an ending Luigi and some people take marriage seriously and its not a game to some. For you to say this about everyone is unfair and unjust and childish for you to say. Not all are Visa seekers! Relationships fail for many reasons. Sometimes unknown to us. Sometimes we just simply don't work hard enough at the marriage to make it successful. Sometimes both people are at fault. Sometimes we just give up and take each other for granted and sometimes we think 'its greener on the other side" which was my husbands way of thinking too, but now he regrets his decisions and no longer with this woman and is single again but its a little too late! I did find love with my new husband and I Love my husband. Im really sic and tired of seeing you post I don't love my husband. What grounds do you base this on and what makes you think I don't love him? Im not a teenager and I am way past infactuations. I would not have my childrens lives turn upside down for someone I don't love. Not only will I have to get used to living with a man in the household again and not always doing what I think is best...my kids at ages 12 14 and 23 will have to adjust their lives too learning a foreigners accent and religion, ways,etc. as he will have to learn my kids too. and from experience Luigi, my daughters are more accepting to the idea of the new step father than my son at age almost 24 and it has nothing to do with our age difference with him. He is more concerned about him being a foreigner and different and afraid he can't understand him and his accented English and the Unknown. He has mixed feelings and he feels my husband loves me and my son is more worried about me marrying someone who may get a portion of life insurance, so its selfish reasons on his part.

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2Be careful [41 words]Catherine Elaine PeppersFeb 4, 2023 14:50264747
good evening catherine [208 words]MimiFeb 5, 2023 16:02264747
20To Brainwashed Smasher about the true meaning of nikah [505 words]A very concerned readerMar 1, 2021 01:44264398
16To Sherry: Veils for answering the nature's call, the Muslim men's right to rape the unveiled women [345 words]A very concerned readerFeb 26, 2021 14:24264318
25About the houris [690 words]A very concerned readerFeb 23, 2021 00:17264210
22To N and S: some replies to your questions and resources for you! [632 words]A very concerned readerFeb 18, 2021 18:26264041
36Long Live the Non-Muslim [847 words]AliciaFeb 18, 2021 15:37264035
15So beautifully written. Real facts. Why Islam can't be compared to other religions [353 words]A very concerned readerFeb 19, 2021 15:43264035
5Breath Taking and True Post [15 words]ChelseaMar 16, 2021 19:18264035
27Talking about morals: to Alicia on her last post which by the way I love! [314 words]A very concerned readerFeb 16, 2021 00:03263953
18Reply to A very concerned reader [115 words]Jessica (Canada)Feb 17, 2021 00:04263953
22A mix of fear, convenience, jealousy and pride: women's role in Islam [652 words]A very concerned readerFeb 18, 2021 04:44263953
6Hi A very concerned reader [516 words]N and SFeb 18, 2021 13:06263953
17Muslims Countries vs The rest of the World [305 words]AliciaFeb 18, 2021 13:52263953
13Muslim's misgiving [167 words]PrashantFeb 18, 2021 16:33263953
14Wrong religion, wrong site! [84 words]A very concerned readerFeb 19, 2021 16:06263953
7100 percent correct [68 words]Jessica (Canada)Feb 20, 2021 01:34263953
8Well said a Very concerned reader [153 words]Jessica (Canada)Feb 20, 2021 01:52263953
12Here's a nice example [79 words]JeffFeb 20, 2021 21:21263953
8Oh, The houris... [441 words]A very concerned readerFeb 20, 2021 23:52263953
11Once again, one-sided love [66 words]A very concerned readerFeb 22, 2021 13:33263953
1Failure to Notice Where Devotion to God is Supreme in Eternity [211 words]M ToveyFeb 22, 2021 15:38263953
4Haha A concerned reader [12 words]jessica (canada)Feb 22, 2021 18:43263953
14A God with no compassion, a reward full of lust [116 words]A very concerned readerFeb 22, 2021 22:48263953
2Very well said [5 words]PrasthantFeb 23, 2021 22:09263953
11Recovery [76 words]SherryFeb 24, 2021 11:35263953
4Relationships that Serve the Prideful Self Always Breaks the Hearts of Others [366 words]M ToveyFeb 24, 2021 12:49263953
9NPD in Muslim men and Ali Sina [317 words]A very concerned readerFeb 24, 2021 13:25263953
9Very nice reflection, M Tovey: time comes when the only thing you see is the Muslim man [358 words]A very concerned readerFeb 25, 2021 01:35263953
4Objection on Religious Grounds - Men and Women Equal in Eyes of Heaven, Salvation [479 words]M ToveyFeb 26, 2021 18:53263953
9Narcissist destroy, empaths create: a selfish religion to cater one man's needs? [483 words]A very concerned readerMar 1, 2021 15:06263953
2Correction [45 words]A very concerned readerMar 1, 2021 17:43263953
3Male-Female Emotional Disparity - Seeking Common Ground of Love [342 words]M ToveyMar 2, 2021 13:31263953
5Sowing what we truly embrace and want to reap! [314 words]A very concerned readerMar 3, 2021 02:48263953
5Emotional Survival of the Most Desperate Kind [438 words]M ToveyMar 4, 2021 11:49263953
8To N and S [233 words]Lana(USA)Feb 11, 2021 21:19263845
17Thank you FAtou [88 words]BaboonFeb 9, 2021 12:49263786
9Hi Jessica [190 words]N and SFeb 9, 2021 15:57263786
10N and S [228 words]LinaFeb 9, 2021 17:05263786
19It's more dangerous than people may think [254 words]A very concerned readerFeb 10, 2021 14:57263786
8Very good points [213 words]LinaFeb 10, 2021 22:17263786
7Very true [120 words]A very concerned readerFeb 11, 2021 15:22263786
7N and S [471 words]Lana(USA)Feb 11, 2021 21:09263786
4N and S reply [645 words]jessica (canada)Feb 12, 2021 18:23263786
7Hi A very concerned reader [516 words]N and SFeb 17, 2021 16:51263786
3WEAK [23 words]alanaSep 12, 2021 07:00263786
48To Fatou/Adja, to the immigration officers of Western countries, to this forum readers. To those googling "I'm in love with a Muslim man" [812 words]A very concerned readerFeb 9, 2021 00:36263772
17I wish I could raise a toast to this [174 words]AliciaFeb 10, 2021 01:16263772
11Cheers! [230 words]A very concerned readerFeb 10, 2021 14:16263772
5Let's raise* that toast!!! [23 words]A very concerned readerFeb 10, 2021 15:11263772
11I could not agree more! [178 words]Lana(USA)Feb 11, 2021 01:10263772
19Why they don't like Christianity [713 words]A very concerned readerFeb 11, 2021 06:28263772
10Big hypocrite [222 words]Lana(USA)Feb 11, 2021 09:16263772
14Hijab and the hypocrisy of it [144 words]A very concerned readerFeb 11, 2021 15:13263772
4Where is the Truth Hiding When No One is Looking for it [233 words]M ToveyFeb 11, 2021 21:35263772
14My insight about Islam and why a Non Muslim woman can fit in this ideology [648 words]A very concerned readerFeb 14, 2021 00:18263772
2Why Non Muslim women can't fit* [14 words]A very concerned readerFeb 14, 2021 01:18263772
18Their lives and hearts are so dark [102 words]Ella AustraliaFeb 14, 2021 23:54263772
11Why they don't like Christianity [19 words]Lisa D.Feb 15, 2021 12:35263772
1Why Eternal Fulfillment is of Love/Respect is Hard to See [282 words]M ToveyFeb 15, 2021 18:02263772
7Well said, Islam has straight jacketed itself into self destruction. [139 words]PrasthantFeb 15, 2021 18:30263772
12Same feeling here, Ella, while we make great efforts to integrate their culture [144 words]A very concerned readerFeb 16, 2021 02:18263772
2Basis of Anthipathy Towards Judeo-Christian (Messianic) Beliefs [220 words]M ToveyFeb 19, 2021 21:55263772
3Great Truth teachings on Islam [99 words]SherryFeb 24, 2021 11:56263772
5Veils for answering the nature's call, the Muslim men's right to rape the unveiled women [338 words]A very concerned readerFeb 26, 2021 06:33263772
4Muslim dislike Christian / Christians have POWER over them [7 words]BrendaSep 17, 2021 15:28263772
7Hijab should not be used to exemplify diversity [274 words]PrashantFeb 7, 2021 01:39263720
21To Fatou: we wish we were discarded by your men!/ Thank us for warning you that they don't respect you either [335 words]A very concerned readerFeb 6, 2021 15:12263711
10Ladies here last comment [146 words]FatouFeb 6, 2021 09:56263707
Rat or not? [106 words]MimiAug 16, 2021 15:20263707
10Muslim Men will NEVER Marry a 53 year old Woman [243 words]AliciaAug 16, 2021 21:34263707
Female 53 years old. [102 words]MimiAug 17, 2021 14:42263707
5Hijab should not be presented as a symbol of diversity [159 words]PrashantFeb 6, 2021 01:47263699
7Hijab as a political statement [45 words]Lisa D.Feb 9, 2021 15:10263699
4Lina reply [90 words]FatouFeb 5, 2021 17:30263683
12Fatou: We wish they discard us!/ you should thank us for warning you [247 words]A very concerned readerFeb 6, 2021 14:57263683
4I would just leave it be [64 words]AjdaFeb 8, 2021 02:01263683
11Hmmm Fatou we all wonder [66 words]jessica (canada)Feb 8, 2021 11:51263683
5Ajda [7 words]FatouFeb 8, 2021 15:39263683
11Fatou's self-righteousness stinks [110 words]PrashantFeb 9, 2021 18:12263683
3Married [25 words]To Jessica canadaFeb 11, 2021 10:11263683
5Big hypocrites too!!! [263 words]Lana(USA)Feb 11, 2021 10:51263683
9Religion over Science [77 words]Lisa DFeb 11, 2021 12:35263683
5Gifts [12 words]LinaFeb 11, 2021 15:48263683
19Marriage means nothing in Islam, my dear [101 words]A very concerned readerFeb 11, 2021 18:04263683
6Reply about Married- and why are you using my name [143 words]jessica (canada)Feb 12, 2021 16:23263683
13Islam is the worst, Muslim countries will never prosper they just get worse [87 words]AliciaFeb 12, 2021 17:33263683
6Alicia is right about Islam [96 words]PrashantFeb 15, 2021 18:42263683
6Cannot say Merry Christmas in here. [43 words]Jessica (Canada)Feb 15, 2021 22:34263683
9You're very right, that's why our women need to be aware of this [300 words]A very concerned readerFeb 15, 2021 23:12263683
7Big thank you and my best wishes always [263 words]A very concerned readerFeb 15, 2021 23:37263683
2Rat?? [99 words]MimiAug 18, 2021 05:17263683
1ROP celebrations in Dhaka [184 words]PrashantApr 5, 2022 21:00263683
Another violent incidence in Tel Aviv [122 words]PrashantApr 7, 2022 21:03263683
15The true face of a real Muslim Woman [1019 words]AliciaFeb 5, 2021 13:58263674
21To Fatou: Muslimahs are deceived too. Are you surprised? [294 words]A very concerned readerFeb 5, 2021 13:14263670
4We all wait for Fatou reply to your comments [11 words]jessica (canada)Feb 8, 2021 11:56263670
2Lina [144 words]FatouFeb 5, 2021 09:16263662
1Explain to concerned reader [145 words]FatouFeb 5, 2021 09:08263661
16Your points [64 words]LinaFeb 5, 2021 13:54263661
21Correction and more unreplied questions [209 words]A very concerned readerFeb 5, 2021 14:43263661
14Purpose of the board [233 words]LinaFeb 5, 2021 17:34263661
8Things that happen in males parties and when nobody is watching [39 words]A very concerned readerFeb 5, 2021 20:01263661
13I'll take what I want from your culture and insult the rest [125 words]JeffFeb 5, 2021 20:44263661
16The reasons why Fatou is here and the controversial respect topic [290 words]A very concerned readerFeb 6, 2021 16:03263661
3Lina and other who take this tone in comments [107 words]FatouFeb 7, 2021 09:55263661
7Don't forget [144 words]LinaFeb 8, 2021 14:38263661
6Thank you [125 words]LinaFeb 8, 2021 14:48263661
5Or better still [18 words]LinaFeb 8, 2021 14:50263661
8So true, Lina [123 words]A concerned readerFeb 8, 2021 23:15263661
3Thanks to you too! [23 words]A very concerned readerFeb 8, 2021 23:52263661
8That is why Muslims (and the reader Fatou) need education [157 words]PrashantFeb 9, 2021 17:59263661
27Muslim Marriages the REAL WAY [1437 words]AliciaFeb 4, 2021 23:03263645
12What a good picture of Pakistani societal system [281 words]A very concerned readerFeb 5, 2021 13:58263645
7Yes muslim will never like non-muslim [86 words]jessica (canada)Feb 8, 2021 12:07263645
6This part is so true Alicia [387 words]jessica (canada)Feb 8, 2021 12:45263645
1Pipes Response/Our Religion [36 words]FatouFeb 4, 2021 16:31263624
3Teaching basic Arabic to wannabe Arabs our dear Fatou [241 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 5, 2021 14:14263624
4Guiding the perplexed our dear Fatou and deciphering the Arabic language [97 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 5, 2021 14:29263624
1Our dear Fatou and the word الصلوة/الصلاة (PRAYER) in the Qur'an [398 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 6, 2021 07:50263624
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AjdaFeb 8, 2021 09:53263624
23About arranged marriages: what Western women must know [299 words]A very concerned readerFeb 3, 2021 22:30263589
19In response to Fatou 2: It's all about respect [123 words]A very concerned readerFeb 3, 2021 17:55263578
10A very concerned reader: The correct translation of صلى الله عليه وسلم is not the PBUH nonsense [158 words]
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