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Women in islam part II - Adolescence

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Submitted by Margaret (Poland), Nov 3, 2009 at 03:14

Please note- the film was not made by me- the authors are Arabs from Arab Atheist Network- this is the script...

An adolescent woman experiences disparagement at the first sign of her becoming an adult woman, which is the beginning of menses. Scientifically speaking, menstruation is normal blood that passes due to the fall of the arterioles that multiplied to from a layer in the uterine wall so that the expected fertilized egg be attached to and fed by.

Due largely to the ignorance of the people of the old days, there is wide misunderstanding on the nature of menses, a number of cultures and religions dealt with the menses as unclean and imposed demeaning rituals for the woman in her menstrual period. Islam is one of these religions.

The Quran says (2: 222), "And they ask you about menstruation. Say: it is a hurt and a pollution: So keep away from women in their courses, and do not approach them until they are clean."

In Islam, a woman in her time of menstruation is not permitted to pray or fast. Muhammad said as recorded in "Al-Bukhari's authentic" (vol. 2 p.45), "Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?..This is the deficiency in her religion."

Now that she is an adult woman, she is put on equal footing with the donkey and the dog insofar as abolishing the prayer of a Muslim male if she would just pass in front of him. Mohammad said as recorded in "Muslim's authentic" (vol. 2 p.60), the third authoritative book in Islam next to the Quran and "Al-Bukhari's authentic", "A woman, a donkey and a dog disrupt the prayer".

In Islam, a woman is of a lesser mind than the man, and so her testimony in financial dealings is only worth half his, according to the Quran (2:282), "and get two witnesses, out of your own men, and if there are not two men (available), then a man and two women, such as you choose, for witnesses, so that if one of them (two women) errs (by forgetting), the other can remind her".

Muhammad said about women as recorded in "Al-Bukhari's authentic" (vol. 1, p. 115), "I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you (women). A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you." The women asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?" He said, "Is not the witness of two women equal to the witness of one man?". They replied in the affirmative. He said, "That is from the deficiency in her intelligence."

Women cannot provide witness in the case of felonies and penalties. They cannot give witness without a man except in matters which men should not be exposed to. Ali Bin Abi Talib (Muhammad's cousin) said, "Women's witness is not permitted in the case of divorce, marriage, felonies and blood". (See: Abdul Razzaiq's collection, vol. 8, pp. 329-330).

Ibn Al Munther (856-931) said: "Muslim jurists have unanimously agreed on the literal reading of this verse in that they permitted women's testimony alongside that of men. They limited this to finances and debts. But they said that her witness is not allowed in the case of felonies and penalties. They didn't reach agreement on the position of her testimony in marriage, divorce, genealogy and loyalties. While the majority prohibited it, the Kufis permitted it. Muslim jurists have also agreed on accepting their testimonies without a man in matters which men should not be exposed to such as menstruation and the giving of birth". (See: Fat'h Al-Bari by Ibn Hajar, vol. 5 p. 266).

(Quran 4:5) "To those fools do not give away your property which Allah has made for you a (means of) support".

Ibn Kathir (1302-1373), the most notable Quran commentator, says:

"'The 'fool' is the ignorant, simple-minded person who has little knowledge in areas of benefit and harm. This is why, according to the majority of the scholars, Allah used the term foolish to include women and children, when He said (4:5) "To those fools do not give away your property which Allah has made for you a (means of) support". (See: Ibn Kathir's Tafsir vol. 1 p. 290, Sura 2 verse no. 13).

(Quran 2:228) "men have a degree (of advantage) over them (women)"

Ibn Kathir (1302-1373) commentated: "men are in a more advantageous position than women physically as well as in their mannerism, status, obedience (of women to them), spending, taking care of the affairs and in general, in this life and in the Hereafter".

(Quran 4:34) "Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property".

Ibn Kathir commentated: "meaning, the man is responsible for the woman, and he is her maintainer, caretaker and leader who disciplines her if she deviates. 'because Allah has made one of them to excel the other', meaning, because men excel over women and are better than them. This is why prophethood was exclusive of men, as well as other important positions of leadership. The Prophet said, 'People who appoint a woman to be their leader, will never achieve success.' Al-Bukhari recorded this Hadith. Such is the case with appointing women as judges or on other positions of leadership. A man in himself is superior to the woman and he bestows favour upon her always. For these reasons it is suitable that he is appointed her maintainer".

A female in Islam is allotted half of what a male gets in inheritance. (Quran 4:11) "Allah directs you regarding your Children's (Inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females".

A woman is also an image of devil as recorded in "Muslim's authentic" (vol. 4, p. 129), that the prophet "saw a woman, and so he came to his wife, Zainab, as she was tanning a leather and had sexual intercourse with her.He then went to his Companions and told them: a woman advances and retires in the image of a devil, so when one of you sees a woman, he should come to his wife (for sex), for that will repel what he feels in his heart."

After adolescence, it is an obligation for the woman to cover her body in front of men who might not be "Maharem" (ie. Father, siblings, sons, uncles and nephews), or a spouse. In our age, Muslims claim that the veil was sanctioned out of guarding modesty and morality and also so that a woman will not entice a man. But historical facts from Islamic sources reveal that the veil was originally sanctioned as a classifying law to separate slave girls, who would be captives of war, from free women. The veil verse says, (33:59) "O Prophet! say to your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers that they let down upon them their over-garments; this will be more proper that they should be recognized and not annoyed".

"more proper that they should be recognized" which means their being recognized as free women and not slave girls. Throughout the ages, the Muslim commentators of the Quran have backed up this interpretation.

Al-Tabari (839-923) says, "To draw their cloaks close round them helps them in not being identified by anybody passing by so that they might know that these are not slave girls, thus harassing them".

Al-Baghawi (1045-1117) says, "This verse was revealed in the case of those adulterers who would chase in Al-Madinah after women who might have to go outside to use the bathroom. At first they would wink at the woman, and if she keeps silent they keep following her, but if she rebukes them, they would leave her alone. They were only seeking after slave girls, and yet it was hard for them to identify a free woman from a slave girl since they all dressed alike, dressed in some kind of cover. They complained to their husbands and it got mentioned to the messenger of Allah and thus the verse was revealed".

Az-Zamakhshari (1074-1143) says, "In the beginning of Islam, women who were following their customs dressed immodestly. Young men would go out in the fields and palm lots at night in order to chase after slave girls going to bathroom. They would try to sexually harass a free woman under the pretext that she might be a slave girl, and so they were ordered to change their attire from that of the slave girls by wearing cloaks, quilts, and covering both heads and faces".

Ibn Al-Jawzi (1114-1201) said, "'should be recognized' means their being recognized as free women".

Al-Qurtubi (1204-1273) said, "Before this verse was revealed, a woman of the household of believers would go outside to use the bathroom and some perverts would try to harass her thinking that she is a slave girl. She would scream and he goes away. They complained to the prophet and this verse was revealed for that reason".

Ibn Kathir (1302-1373) said, "means, if they do that, it will be known that they are free, and that they are not slaves or whores."

Al-Mahali and As-Syyoutti (1445-1505) both said, " 'more proper' that is they are closer to be 'to be recognized' i.e. that they are free women 'and not annoye' that is, by sexually harassing them unlike the slave girls, as they are not covered in their faces and getting harassed by hypocrites".

Al Alousi (1802-1854) said, " 'Adna' means closer to 'to be recognized' that is being set apart from the slave girls who were vulnerable to being sexually harassed".

Ummar Bin Al-Khattab, a prominent companion of Mohammad and second successor (caliph) to him, used to beat a slave girl if she wore the veil. Anas Bin Malik, a companion of Muhammad, said, "Omar saw a slave girl of ours wearing the veil, he struck her and said to her: "Don't be dressed like free women" (See: Ibn Abi Shaiba's collection, vol. 3, p. 127). Anas Bin Malik also said:"A slave girl went on into where Omar Bin Al-Khattab was sitting. She had a dressed that she used for a veil. Omar asked her, "Have you been freed?". She said, "No". He said, "What then is the veil for? Move it away from your head, for the viel is to be on the heads of free women". She tarried and Omar got up to her and struck her on her head with a rod until she moved it away from her head". (See: Ibn Abi Shaiba's collection, vol. 3 p. 128).

Anas Ibn Malik also said, "slave girls of Omar were waiting on us with their hair being uncovered and their breasts shaking". (See: As-Sunnan Al-Kubra by Al-Bayhaqi, vol. 2 p. 321). This narration is authentic according to Al-Albani. (See: Hijab Al-mar;a Walibasuha Fe Al-Sala, Ibn Taymyyah p. 43 , checked by Al-Albani). Al Bayhaqi said, "These narrations about Omar Bin Al-Khattab are authentic". (See: As-Sunnan Al-Kubra by Al Bayhaqi, vol. 2 p. 321).

For a slave girl what parts in view of another male is the same thing that a male should not show in front of another male, and that stretches from the navel to the knees. Mohammad said, "When one of you marries off his female servant to his slave or to his employee, he should not look at her private part below the navel and above the knees." (See: The authentic of Abu Dawood' collection, by Al-Albani, vol. 2, p. 523). That means if a slave girl gets married, she changes status as far as her owner is concerned in that he is no longer allowed to see more than what is between the navel and the knees, and this is what has been established by most Muslim jurisprudents. Al-Nawawi (1233-1277) said: "Man's private parts would be what is between his navel and knees, and the same goes for the slave girl. But a free woman can show only her face and hands". (See: Minhaj Al-Talibeen by Al-Nawawi, p. 105).

Al-Maqdisi (1160-1227) says, "A slave girl's privates are the same like man". (See: Sharh Al-Umdah, p. 65).

Al-Dardeer (1715-1786) says, "private parts for a man is his male organ and buttocks, and for the slave girl it is the same". (See: Al-sharh Al- Sagheer, vol. 1 p. 285).

In the history of Islam, slave girls were being sold in the markets, stripped naked and men would check them out in any form they wanted to. If Ubdallah Bin Omar Bin Al-Khattab, a companion of Mohammad, wanted to buy a slave girl, he would place his hand on her buttocks, take a look at her legs, belly, put his hand between her breasts and then shake her. (See Abdul Razzaq's collection, vol. 7 p. 286. and see also As-Sunnan Al-Kubra by Al-Bayhaqi, vol. 5 p. 537).

Ali Bin Abi Talib, Mohammad's cousin and the fourth caliph, was asked about the slave girl being sold. "Is it permissible to look at her legs, buttocks, and her belly?". He replied, "No problem with that. No prohibition. She was not made to stand except to be checked out as a bargain" (See Abdul Razzaq's collection, vol. 7 p. 287).

Abdullah Bin Masood, a prominent Quran scholar and a close companion of Mohammad, said in relation to the slave girl being sold, "If I touch her or a wall, I don't care; it is all the same to me". (See Abdul Razzaq's collection, vol.7 p.287).

In Islam, a man is entitled to marry up to 4 wives. Yet he has an unlimited number of slave girls that he is entitled to have sex with. A woman, however, has nobody but her own husband.

(Quran 4:3) "marry such women as seem good to you, two and three and four; but if you fear that you will not do justice (between them), then (marry) only one or what your right hands possess".

(Quran 23:5-6) "And who guard their private parts, Except with their wives or what their right hands possess,- for (in their case) they are free from blame".

(comments on the last verse)

Al-Tabari (839-923) says, " 'what their right hands possess' refers to the slave girls."

Al Baghawi (1045-1117) says, "This verse is specific of men as evidenced in his saying 'or whom their right hands possess', since that a woman isn't allowed to sexually enjoy her own slave."

Az-Zamakhshari (1074-1143) says, "what is meant is that they guard their private parts at all times except in the case of their marrying or having slave girls".

Ibn Al Jawzi (1114-1201) expounds, " 'But who ever seeks', that is, he actually sought after, 'beyond that' referring to wives and slave girls."

Ibn Kathir (1302-1373) says, "and do not approach anyone except the wives whom Allah has made permissible for them or their right hand possessions from the captives".

Al Mahali and As-Soyyoutti (1445-1505) both said: " 'what their right hands possess' " referring to slave girls."

Al-Aloussi (1802-1854) says, "what is meant is whatever slave girl their right hand has owned. Note that Allah used the word 'what' in describing who they are instead of the word 'whom'. This signifies that they are objects, articles of merchandise for sale. Or signifies that they are considered non-sentient beings because of their femininity which points to their lacking brains in reasoning. Women's being non-sentient is quite obvious whether they be Circassian, Roman or anything like that. But how obvious would it be if they be Negro or from any black ethnicity?, I swear that if they supposedly aren't belonging to the animals class, then they aren't far from belonging to it. The verse is specific to men, since that women unanimously aren't permitted to have sex with their slaves".

(Quran 4:24) "Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those which your right hands possess".

It's recorded in "Muslim's authentic" (vol. 4 p.170) that "at the Battle of Hanain Allah's Messenger sent an army to Autas and encountered the enemy and fought with them. Having overcome them and taken them captives, the Companions of Allah's Messenger seemed to refrain from having sex with married captive women. Then Allah sent down regarding that: " Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those which your right hands possess " (i.e. it's lawful to have sex with them when their 'Idda' period came to an end)."

Ibn Kathir says in his commentary: "you are prohibited from marrying women who are already married, 'except those which your right hands possess', meaning, except those whom you acquire through war, it's allowed for you to have sex with such women after making sure they are not pregnant. The verse was revealed for this case."

What Muslims claim to be the privileges of Mohammad is the fact that he could marry more than 4 wives. Anas Bin Malik, a close companion of Mohammad, said as recorded in "Al-Bukhari's authentic" (vol. 1 p.110), "The Prophet used to visit (for sex) all his wives in one night and he had nine wives at that time."

As for the slave-girls of Mohammad, the Quran says, (33:50) "O Prophet! surely We have made lawful to you your wives whom you have given their dowries, and what your right hand possesses out of what Allah has given to you as prisoners of war".

Ibn Kathir says in his commentary, "means, the slave-girls whom you took from the war booty are also permitted to you. He owned Safiyyah and Juwayriyah, then he manumitted them and married them, and he owned Rayhanah bint Sham'un An-Nadariyyah and Mariyah Al-Qibtiyyah, the mother of his son Ibrahim; they were both among the slave-girls".

Muslims' many raids resulted in capturing many women, which multiplied the number of slave-girls in Muslim lands. Ali Bin Abi Talib, Mohammad's cousin and the fourth caliph, passed away while he had 19 slave girls in his property. (See: Abdul Razzaq' collection, vol. 7 p. 288).

At the end of the first century of Islamic era, Musa Bin Nusair conquered Morocco. Ibn Kathir says in his history on this regard:

"Plenty of pretty boys and pretty women were taken as captives. and sent off to the caliph, 40, 000 heads, which is fifth of what he captured. . . when he went entered upon the caliph in Damascus he came along with 30,000 of captives, not to mention what we already listed. This was fifth of what he captured in the last raid which he launched into the lands of Morocco." (See: Al Bidaya wa Al-Nihayyah, vol. 12 p. 629).

The caliph of Abbasid period, Harun Al Rashid, a very well-renowned caliph for the Abbassaid State which ruled the Muslims for 5 centuries, had in his house 4,000 slave-girls. (See: Al Bidaya wa Al-Nihaya, Ibn Kathir, vol. 14 p. 49).

(A video clip from Iqra Channel in a show entitled "Before You are Judged" by Basma Wahba)

(Basma: Well, now, folks, I have now 2 of the giants of Al-Azhar Islamist scholars. They are required to refute this allegation, that Islam encourages slavery and the companions of the Prophet were sexually enjoying whatever their right hands possessed. How shall we respond to that?

Jamal Qutub: whoever doesn't like it can bang his head against the wall.

Mabrook: I have a very small question. Do you believe that the Quran is the Word of God?. Or it is the same like Hadith which some are authentic and some are questionable?

Basma: I am Basma Wahbah a believer.

Mabrook: I am asking Ms. Basma in the same way I am asking any of the people watching the TV show now.

Basma: We are indeed believers.

Mabrook: This is not the point. We are trying to objectively discuss an issue now. What does objectivity here mean? It means, I ask people if they believe that the Quran is the Word of God? A person might say, yes and there is no corruption in the Quran. He might quote for me the verse in the Quran "We have revealed the Book and we are guarding it". Great! Is everybody fully at peace that it is the Word of God? Yes!. Then read from surat Al-Nissa ("women" chapter). I read "marry such women as seem good to you, two and three and four; but if you fear that you will not do justice (between them), then (marry) only one or what your right hands possess". Do I have any right to abolish such a verse? What do I do about it now? Erase it with an eraser? In order to make it a beautiful religion and I defend it, I do this to the Quran?. And this was the first question.

Basma: I am a believer. How do I answer (the allegation)? How do I answer?.

Mabrook: (islam) is not accused so no need to answer. My religion is God's Word. It says "Or what your right hands possess". In surat Al-Muminin, (sura 23), it begins with saying, "Successful indeed are the believers. Who are humble in their prayers,….." until he said " "And who guard their private parts, Except with their wives or what their right hands possess,- for (in their case) they are free from blame. But whoever seeks to go beyond that, these are they that exceed the limits.". Having read this, how shall I answer? I simply say, "This is my religion".

Basma: So, in brief, you have no answer.

Mabrook: No! We have a world!.

Basma: This is how our religion works and if anyone doesn't like it he can bang his head against the wall.

Basma: what if somebody we meet at the street is asking, we can't reply? I just want to know. I really want to know.

Jamal Qutb: What do you want to know?

Basma: I want to know.

Jamal: We are telling you that the Quran is there and this verse is not abrogated.

Basma: Sheikh Jamal, May I frankly say something to you? I want to frankly tell you that 90% of Muslims including me don't know what the point is in this verse saying "or what your right hands possess".

Jamal: you don't need to know.

Basma: And we frankly can't stomach this verse.

Jamal: you don't need to know.

Basma: what do you mean "I don't need to"? Is that a reasonable answer sheikh Jamal?.

Jamal: Of course, all Muslims don't need to…..

Basma: I come to ask you a question and you tell me that I don't need to know?

Jamal: is there a wise person in the world who would claim to express the divine wisdom that god knows?. Is there anybody in the world Dr Mabrook who would know how to express divine wisdom in these verses? .

Mabrook: only god would.

Basma: This is not about divine wisdom, this is about human liberty.

Jamal: No everybody is free with himself.

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the movie is on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrfZ81b-nBw&feature=related

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Is the Qur'an a Kitab Mubeen? Is al-Tabari Allah's Editor-in Chief? And the Muslim Bobeds of early Islam. Slight correction [6 words]dhimmi no moreNov 12, 2021 06:24275986
Thanks - But to Continue - See Next in Search For Kitab Mubeen [342 words]M ToveyNov 12, 2021 15:17275986
Kitab Mubeen - Next Session - Translation Transition - Which Came First - Classical or Quranic? [107 words]M ToveyNov 12, 2021 19:24275986
The Greek Persian War Timeline and al-Tabari [413 words]dhimmi no moreNov 14, 2021 06:57275986
Footnote: Why al-Tabari's tafsir? [351 words]dhimmi no moreNov 14, 2021 08:47275986
1Is the holy Quran just a holy idol? [715 words]PrashantNov 14, 2021 19:12275986
Persian Influence Calls to Question of Kitab Mubeen for an Undeveloped Quran [152 words]M ToveyNov 14, 2021 22:31275986
1Objects of Worship - Anything Made by Human Endeavor is Suspect [195 words]M ToveyNov 14, 2021 22:57275986
2Criminality of Palestinian Authority [107 words]PrashantNov 15, 2021 00:40275986
Reading Surat al-Ruum 1-4, Opaque Revelations and Real History! [908 words]dhimmi no moreNov 15, 2021 09:44275986
Historical Persian Launch of Islam in Post Babylonian Middle East [62 words]M ToveyNov 15, 2021 12:20275986
Dependent Upon Sources - Quranic Control of Middle East Inconclusive - Shiite or Sunni? [86 words]M ToveyNov 15, 2021 16:36275986
Reading Surat al-Ruum:4 and Refuting Bogus Claims! [476 words]dhimmi no moreNov 16, 2021 07:14275986
Potential Limitation of Islamist Claim To Middle East [74 words]M ToveyNov 16, 2021 14:52275986
1Heraclius' Farwell Address to Syria! 636 AD [156 words]dhimmi no moreNov 17, 2021 07:16275986
The Byzantines' Did Not Preserve the Biblical Truth - The Tanakh Tells Why [130 words]M ToveyNov 17, 2021 16:57275986
Tovey: Did you mean غزوة تبوك or the "Battle" of Tabouk? [246 words]dhimmi no moreNov 18, 2021 09:35275986
DNM - مَعْرَكَة مُؤْتَة - Battle of Mu'tah [207 words]M ToveyNov 18, 2021 12:58275986
Tovey: Why did the Arabs starting in 633 AD, invade the Middle East and beyond? [122 words]dhimmi no moreNov 18, 2021 13:44275986
Kitab Mubeen - Next Session - Territorial Ambitions Prime Motivations? [181 words]M ToveyNov 18, 2021 19:44275986
Tovey: You need to read Noth's: Quellenkritische! The flying carpet of Soulyman and other sordid matters [465 words]dhimmi no moreNov 19, 2021 07:20275986
Muu'ta and the raids of the Arabs, in the border areas of both the Persian empire and the Lands of al-Ruum in late antiquity [61 words]dhimmi no moreNov 20, 2021 16:48275986
Legends, Myths and Fables - Part Two [268 words]M ToveyNov 21, 2021 04:40275986
13hiring private detectives to spy waste of money. [21 words]SharonOct 12, 2021 07:50275645
11Advice [51 words]K.Sep 24, 2021 20:05275087
13Going to jail [19 words]SamanthaSep 16, 2021 22:22274719
5Posted back in 2017 [183 words]LuhxJun 22, 2021 17:32268671
3Hello everyone and nice to see you back again Luhx [949 words]Jessica (Canada)Jul 2, 2021 00:42268671
3Update [290 words]jessica (canada)Jul 12, 2021 14:40268671
7Congrats to you [54 words]CandyappleAug 4, 2021 12:21268671
23You don't discover anything until you dig deeper [177 words]PrashantAug 5, 2021 01:14268671
3Thank you for your comment Prashant [299 words]jessica (canada)Aug 11, 2021 18:01268671
4Thank you so much Candyapple [179 words]jessica (canada)Aug 11, 2021 18:19268671
11Luhx might like to explain her position [296 words]PrashantAug 12, 2021 01:51268671
6We are always here for you Jessica [102 words]AliciaAug 16, 2021 21:28268671
1Thanks so much Alicia [358 words]jessica (canada)Aug 20, 2021 19:13268671
3Update 2 [118 words]jessica (canada)Aug 29, 2021 12:48268671
3Typing error [75 words]jessica (canada)Aug 30, 2021 17:25268671
1Update 3 - Rebooked my ticket again [106 words]jessica (canada)Sep 4, 2021 13:46268671
2Counting down the days to Morocco [136 words]Jessica (Canada)Sep 9, 2021 15:08268671
4Update again FLIGHT CANCELED AGAIN [83 words]jessica (canada)Sep 25, 2021 12:59268671
12I agree with you Prashant [73 words]Pumpkin SpiceSep 26, 2021 16:21268671
2Rebooked my ticket again for December [281 words]Jessica (Canada)Sep 27, 2021 21:30268671
12Misunderstanding Marriage is Miscarriage of Marriage [422 words]M ToveyJun 9, 2021 13:48268070
12fell in love with Morracan man in states [46 words]DanielleJun 9, 2021 10:12268057
24Run! [97 words]Lana(USA)Jun 10, 2021 08:39268057
5Yes I pretty sure you got played [80 words]Jessica (Canada)Jul 1, 2021 23:53268057
8Let us judge others [89 words]PrashantAug 6, 2021 18:04268057
8Western apologists for Islam [213 words]PrashantAug 7, 2021 17:52268057
3Wrong citation; correction. [29 words]PrashantAug 9, 2021 00:19268057
4So sorry [36 words]PollyJan 31, 2022 11:53268057
2My advice to Danielle (why is it so difficult?) [80 words]PrashantJan 31, 2022 23:02268057
35Understanding the narcissistic Muslim men who never will love their wives (In response to Tracy's post) [554 words]A very concerned readerMay 4, 2021 17:00266404
25Got some good posters on here [191 words]ChelseaMar 15, 2021 15:08264747
12Chelsea [78 words]LinaMar 23, 2021 19:43264747
12Absolutely! [119 words]Lana(USA)Mar 25, 2021 10:02264747
18Good to hear from you! [92 words]Robin M.Apr 6, 2021 07:36264747
6So true,but... [63 words]Lana(USA)Apr 22, 2021 00:43264747
8Is he married? [500 words]TraceyMay 4, 2021 08:53264747
15Understanding the narcissistic Muslim man who never will love their wives [474 words]A very concerned readerMay 4, 2021 16:32264747
9True Marriage is About Sacrifice - What are You Willing to Give Up? [124 words]M ToveyMay 4, 2021 16:35264747
17Advice to Tracey [338 words]PrashantMay 5, 2021 00:37264747
17Run [173 words]HopeMay 5, 2021 15:18264747
6To Tracy from a very concerned reader [17 words]Ella AustraliaMay 12, 2021 01:09264747
11Thanks to you, Ella [188 words]A very concerned readerMay 13, 2021 19:43264747
6TRACEY - ERHAN [26 words]KARENMay 20, 2021 18:44264747
11Agree [39 words]Lana(USA)May 21, 2021 15:59264747
3Rat or not? [88 words]MimiAug 16, 2021 14:09264747
14R A T !!!!! [144 words]ChelseaAug 22, 2021 12:11264747
4TOTAL SCAMMER MIMI [100 words]jessica (canada)Aug 23, 2021 19:09264747
1Rat or not [102 words]MimiAug 24, 2021 13:02264747
5RAT [190 words]jessica (canada)Aug 25, 2021 18:33264747
13You seriously need to research into Muslim men [197 words]Pumpkin SpiceSep 27, 2021 08:04264747
1Rat or not? [111 words]MimiSep 27, 2021 13:21264747
2Bună Spice [127 words]MimiSep 27, 2021 13:37264747
2Four Clues to Insincerity [101 words]M ToveySep 27, 2021 17:02264747
1Hello [94 words]MimiSep 28, 2021 04:35264747
4And Greetings of Peace to You; And a Simple Hello as Well [610 words]M ToveySep 28, 2021 12:08264747
6Message for Mimi [59 words]PrashantSep 28, 2021 13:26264747
Ciao [1362 words]MimiSep 29, 2021 14:34264747
2Bună Spice [95 words]MimiSep 29, 2021 17:29264747
Allora buona fortuna - In Seeking Contentment [35 words]M ToveySep 30, 2021 19:05264747
11Mental Torment [324 words]ChelseaOct 3, 2021 18:18264747
1Bună Spice [109 words]MIMIOct 10, 2021 15:45264747
5Strength of Woman's Identity Not Tied to Any Man [172 words]M ToveyOct 11, 2021 16:36264747
1Bună Spice [103 words]MimiOct 12, 2021 16:19264747
3Islam is Easy on the Muslim Man - Its Record Speaks for Itself [170 words]M ToveyOct 12, 2021 18:58264747
1Bună Spice [337 words]MimiOct 13, 2021 13:11264747
5Empty Promises Lead to Empty Hearts - Seek Spiritual Truth First [199 words]M ToveyOct 14, 2021 12:20264747
3Curious [54 words]SherryOct 17, 2021 15:08264747
Resposta para Mimi [35 words]AleJan 30, 2022 15:56264747
Rat or not [175 words]MimiJan 31, 2022 13:42264747
4Do Not Be Enticed - An Empty Heart Cannot Be Filled with Empty Promsies [158 words]M ToveyJan 31, 2022 17:42264747
9Do you want my opinion? [133 words]Robin M.Feb 8, 2022 15:02264747
Rat or not [179 words]MimiFeb 9, 2022 13:59264747
4Time to let go [62 words]Robin M.Feb 9, 2022 16:38264747
Rat or not [92 words]MimiJun 23, 2022 16:27264747
2Money scamming is not the main reason [148 words]PrashantJun 24, 2022 08:49264747
Rat or not [249 words]MimiJun 24, 2022 13:12264747
3Overcoming a Fear of Separation Anxiety - Insincerity is the Witness Seen in this Delusion [239 words]M ToveyJun 25, 2022 00:00264747
2Be careful [41 words]Catherine Elaine PeppersFeb 4, 2023 14:50264747
good evening catherine [208 words]MimiFeb 5, 2023 16:02264747
20To Brainwashed Smasher about the true meaning of nikah [505 words]A very concerned readerMar 1, 2021 01:44264398
16To Sherry: Veils for answering the nature's call, the Muslim men's right to rape the unveiled women [345 words]A very concerned readerFeb 26, 2021 14:24264318
25About the houris [690 words]A very concerned readerFeb 23, 2021 00:17264210
22To N and S: some replies to your questions and resources for you! [632 words]A very concerned readerFeb 18, 2021 18:26264041
36Long Live the Non-Muslim [847 words]AliciaFeb 18, 2021 15:37264035
15So beautifully written. Real facts. Why Islam can't be compared to other religions [353 words]A very concerned readerFeb 19, 2021 15:43264035
5Breath Taking and True Post [15 words]ChelseaMar 16, 2021 19:18264035
27Talking about morals: to Alicia on her last post which by the way I love! [314 words]A very concerned readerFeb 16, 2021 00:03263953
18Reply to A very concerned reader [115 words]Jessica (Canada)Feb 17, 2021 00:04263953
22A mix of fear, convenience, jealousy and pride: women's role in Islam [652 words]A very concerned readerFeb 18, 2021 04:44263953
6Hi A very concerned reader [516 words]N and SFeb 18, 2021 13:06263953
17Muslims Countries vs The rest of the World [305 words]AliciaFeb 18, 2021 13:52263953
13Muslim's misgiving [167 words]PrashantFeb 18, 2021 16:33263953
14Wrong religion, wrong site! [84 words]A very concerned readerFeb 19, 2021 16:06263953
7100 percent correct [68 words]Jessica (Canada)Feb 20, 2021 01:34263953
8Well said a Very concerned reader [153 words]Jessica (Canada)Feb 20, 2021 01:52263953
12Here's a nice example [79 words]JeffFeb 20, 2021 21:21263953
8Oh, The houris... [441 words]A very concerned readerFeb 20, 2021 23:52263953
11Once again, one-sided love [66 words]A very concerned readerFeb 22, 2021 13:33263953
1Failure to Notice Where Devotion to God is Supreme in Eternity [211 words]M ToveyFeb 22, 2021 15:38263953
4Haha A concerned reader [12 words]jessica (canada)Feb 22, 2021 18:43263953
14A God with no compassion, a reward full of lust [116 words]A very concerned readerFeb 22, 2021 22:48263953
2Very well said [5 words]PrasthantFeb 23, 2021 22:09263953
11Recovery [76 words]SherryFeb 24, 2021 11:35263953
4Relationships that Serve the Prideful Self Always Breaks the Hearts of Others [366 words]M ToveyFeb 24, 2021 12:49263953
9NPD in Muslim men and Ali Sina [317 words]A very concerned readerFeb 24, 2021 13:25263953
9Very nice reflection, M Tovey: time comes when the only thing you see is the Muslim man [358 words]A very concerned readerFeb 25, 2021 01:35263953
4Objection on Religious Grounds - Men and Women Equal in Eyes of Heaven, Salvation [479 words]M ToveyFeb 26, 2021 18:53263953
9Narcissist destroy, empaths create: a selfish religion to cater one man's needs? [483 words]A very concerned readerMar 1, 2021 15:06263953
2Correction [45 words]A very concerned readerMar 1, 2021 17:43263953
3Male-Female Emotional Disparity - Seeking Common Ground of Love [342 words]M ToveyMar 2, 2021 13:31263953
5Sowing what we truly embrace and want to reap! [314 words]A very concerned readerMar 3, 2021 02:48263953
5Emotional Survival of the Most Desperate Kind [438 words]M ToveyMar 4, 2021 11:49263953
8To N and S [233 words]Lana(USA)Feb 11, 2021 21:19263845
17Thank you FAtou [88 words]BaboonFeb 9, 2021 12:49263786
9Hi Jessica [190 words]N and SFeb 9, 2021 15:57263786
10N and S [228 words]LinaFeb 9, 2021 17:05263786
19It's more dangerous than people may think [254 words]A very concerned readerFeb 10, 2021 14:57263786
8Very good points [213 words]LinaFeb 10, 2021 22:17263786
7Very true [120 words]A very concerned readerFeb 11, 2021 15:22263786
7N and S [471 words]Lana(USA)Feb 11, 2021 21:09263786
4N and S reply [645 words]jessica (canada)Feb 12, 2021 18:23263786
7Hi A very concerned reader [516 words]N and SFeb 17, 2021 16:51263786
3WEAK [23 words]alanaSep 12, 2021 07:00263786
48To Fatou/Adja, to the immigration officers of Western countries, to this forum readers. To those googling "I'm in love with a Muslim man" [812 words]A very concerned readerFeb 9, 2021 00:36263772
17I wish I could raise a toast to this [174 words]AliciaFeb 10, 2021 01:16263772
11Cheers! [230 words]A very concerned readerFeb 10, 2021 14:16263772
5Let's raise* that toast!!! [23 words]A very concerned readerFeb 10, 2021 15:11263772
11I could not agree more! [178 words]Lana(USA)Feb 11, 2021 01:10263772
19Why they don't like Christianity [713 words]A very concerned readerFeb 11, 2021 06:28263772
10Big hypocrite [222 words]Lana(USA)Feb 11, 2021 09:16263772
14Hijab and the hypocrisy of it [144 words]A very concerned readerFeb 11, 2021 15:13263772
4Where is the Truth Hiding When No One is Looking for it [233 words]M ToveyFeb 11, 2021 21:35263772
14My insight about Islam and why a Non Muslim woman can fit in this ideology [648 words]A very concerned readerFeb 14, 2021 00:18263772
2Why Non Muslim women can't fit* [14 words]A very concerned readerFeb 14, 2021 01:18263772
18Their lives and hearts are so dark [102 words]Ella AustraliaFeb 14, 2021 23:54263772
11Why they don't like Christianity [19 words]Lisa D.Feb 15, 2021 12:35263772
1Why Eternal Fulfillment is of Love/Respect is Hard to See [282 words]M ToveyFeb 15, 2021 18:02263772
7Well said, Islam has straight jacketed itself into self destruction. [139 words]PrasthantFeb 15, 2021 18:30263772
12Same feeling here, Ella, while we make great efforts to integrate their culture [144 words]A very concerned readerFeb 16, 2021 02:18263772
2Basis of Anthipathy Towards Judeo-Christian (Messianic) Beliefs [220 words]M ToveyFeb 19, 2021 21:55263772
3Great Truth teachings on Islam [99 words]SherryFeb 24, 2021 11:56263772
5Veils for answering the nature's call, the Muslim men's right to rape the unveiled women [338 words]A very concerned readerFeb 26, 2021 06:33263772
4Muslim dislike Christian / Christians have POWER over them [7 words]BrendaSep 17, 2021 15:28263772
7Hijab should not be used to exemplify diversity [274 words]PrashantFeb 7, 2021 01:39263720
21To Fatou: we wish we were discarded by your men!/ Thank us for warning you that they don't respect you either [335 words]A very concerned readerFeb 6, 2021 15:12263711
10Ladies here last comment [146 words]FatouFeb 6, 2021 09:56263707
Rat or not? [106 words]MimiAug 16, 2021 15:20263707
10Muslim Men will NEVER Marry a 53 year old Woman [243 words]AliciaAug 16, 2021 21:34263707
Female 53 years old. [102 words]MimiAug 17, 2021 14:42263707
5Hijab should not be presented as a symbol of diversity [159 words]PrashantFeb 6, 2021 01:47263699
7Hijab as a political statement [45 words]Lisa D.Feb 9, 2021 15:10263699
4Lina reply [90 words]FatouFeb 5, 2021 17:30263683
12Fatou: We wish they discard us!/ you should thank us for warning you [247 words]A very concerned readerFeb 6, 2021 14:57263683
4I would just leave it be [64 words]AjdaFeb 8, 2021 02:01263683
11Hmmm Fatou we all wonder [66 words]jessica (canada)Feb 8, 2021 11:51263683
5Ajda [7 words]FatouFeb 8, 2021 15:39263683
11Fatou's self-righteousness stinks [110 words]PrashantFeb 9, 2021 18:12263683
3Married [25 words]To Jessica canadaFeb 11, 2021 10:11263683
5Big hypocrites too!!! [263 words]Lana(USA)Feb 11, 2021 10:51263683
9Religion over Science [77 words]Lisa DFeb 11, 2021 12:35263683
5Gifts [12 words]LinaFeb 11, 2021 15:48263683
19Marriage means nothing in Islam, my dear [101 words]A very concerned readerFeb 11, 2021 18:04263683
6Reply about Married- and why are you using my name [143 words]jessica (canada)Feb 12, 2021 16:23263683
13Islam is the worst, Muslim countries will never prosper they just get worse [87 words]AliciaFeb 12, 2021 17:33263683
6Alicia is right about Islam [96 words]PrashantFeb 15, 2021 18:42263683
6Cannot say Merry Christmas in here. [43 words]Jessica (Canada)Feb 15, 2021 22:34263683
9You're very right, that's why our women need to be aware of this [300 words]A very concerned readerFeb 15, 2021 23:12263683
7Big thank you and my best wishes always [263 words]A very concerned readerFeb 15, 2021 23:37263683
2Rat?? [99 words]MimiAug 18, 2021 05:17263683
1ROP celebrations in Dhaka [184 words]PrashantApr 5, 2022 21:00263683
Another violent incidence in Tel Aviv [122 words]PrashantApr 7, 2022 21:03263683
15The true face of a real Muslim Woman [1019 words]AliciaFeb 5, 2021 13:58263674
21To Fatou: Muslimahs are deceived too. Are you surprised? [294 words]A very concerned readerFeb 5, 2021 13:14263670
4We all wait for Fatou reply to your comments [11 words]jessica (canada)Feb 8, 2021 11:56263670
2Lina [144 words]FatouFeb 5, 2021 09:16263662
1Explain to concerned reader [145 words]FatouFeb 5, 2021 09:08263661
16Your points [64 words]LinaFeb 5, 2021 13:54263661
21Correction and more unreplied questions [209 words]A very concerned readerFeb 5, 2021 14:43263661
14Purpose of the board [233 words]LinaFeb 5, 2021 17:34263661
8Things that happen in males parties and when nobody is watching [39 words]A very concerned readerFeb 5, 2021 20:01263661
13I'll take what I want from your culture and insult the rest [125 words]JeffFeb 5, 2021 20:44263661
16The reasons why Fatou is here and the controversial respect topic [290 words]A very concerned readerFeb 6, 2021 16:03263661
3Lina and other who take this tone in comments [107 words]FatouFeb 7, 2021 09:55263661
7Don't forget [144 words]LinaFeb 8, 2021 14:38263661
6Thank you [125 words]LinaFeb 8, 2021 14:48263661
5Or better still [18 words]LinaFeb 8, 2021 14:50263661
8So true, Lina [123 words]A concerned readerFeb 8, 2021 23:15263661
3Thanks to you too! [23 words]A very concerned readerFeb 8, 2021 23:52263661
8That is why Muslims (and the reader Fatou) need education [157 words]PrashantFeb 9, 2021 17:59263661
27Muslim Marriages the REAL WAY [1437 words]AliciaFeb 4, 2021 23:03263645
12What a good picture of Pakistani societal system [281 words]A very concerned readerFeb 5, 2021 13:58263645
7Yes muslim will never like non-muslim [86 words]jessica (canada)Feb 8, 2021 12:07263645
6This part is so true Alicia [387 words]jessica (canada)Feb 8, 2021 12:45263645
1Pipes Response/Our Religion [36 words]FatouFeb 4, 2021 16:31263624
3Teaching basic Arabic to wannabe Arabs our dear Fatou [241 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 5, 2021 14:14263624
4Guiding the perplexed our dear Fatou and deciphering the Arabic language [97 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 5, 2021 14:29263624
1Our dear Fatou and the word الصلوة/الصلاة (PRAYER) in the Qur'an [398 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 6, 2021 07:50263624
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23About arranged marriages: what Western women must know [299 words]A very concerned readerFeb 3, 2021 22:30263589
19In response to Fatou 2: It's all about respect [123 words]A very concerned readerFeb 3, 2021 17:55263578
10A very concerned reader: The correct translation of صلى الله عليه وسلم is not the PBUH nonsense [158 words]
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