Abortion, Turkish man, race and Islam

Submitted by Straight_Talk_Luigi (United States), Nov 15, 2011 at 18:33

If you are indeed so keen on the "quality" of life, Charlotte, I suggest you do a search of the psychological effects of abortion on women and do note that many individuals in the pro-life movement are former abortion doctors.

Finally - in your desperation to take a cheap stab at me for disagreeing with your stance that a woman has a duty to incubate over actually live a quality life - you revealed you don't very much at all about the middle eastern people you critique constantly. My husband is TURKISH, I've said it MANY times on this site.

I can't recall a single time on here where I was desperate and your husband's nationality is next to irrelevant.

. Not all Muslims are Arab - in fact, MOST of them are NOT.

Yeah, I learned that a long time ago.

A year has passed since I last came across this post - I'm still an atheist, I'm still a flaming liberal, and I'm still married to my Muslim Man. Sorry to burst your malevolent fantasy that he would kick my behind, marry a cousin, or take off after getting a green card - nothing of the sort has happened. On the contrary, he's applying for his US citizenship now, as I am applying for my Turkish citizenship.

-sigh-

I don't recall ever saying that your man was abusive, but if you've only been with him a year....that's not every much time, especially if you and he don't yet have citizenship. These kinds of scandals can take weeks, months or even years. All I am now pointing out is that if you are on here defending your relationship, then somewhere in there issues are apparent.

As far as your theory concerning if I married him because he's "different" and that some how makes me "feel good" - it's another ridiculous thought.

Actually, it's perfectly legitimate concern. One reason women on here drag out these encounters as long as they do is because of the age difference and the different race/religion/culture. Oh, I'm sure it's fun for a while, heck, I've even indulged in that myself, but in the end stable, committed relationships are based on similarities and harmony, not on major differences or shallow notions that your man is great because of his country, culture and/or religion.

My parents are immigrants from Europe - thus I have always been "different" than my fellow Americans - no need to fill that void with external people considering my entire family and cultural identity fills it for me. I married my husband because he's one of the most intellectual, compassionate, thoughtful, conversive, studious, adventurous, artistic, ambitious, ethical, and understanding people I have ever and will ever have the pleasure to befriend -

That is absolutely irrelevant to this discussion. So many women on here get caught up in such details. If you were so sure about this, you wouldn't even be searching for this on-line, much less writing a lengthy reply to me.

I knew from his character he was the type of person I wanted to build a life with.

Again, if you really knew him, I doubt you'd be on here.

I know it's hard for you to get your head around someone actually posting here because they have insight into how to make eastern/western-interfaith relationships work from experience;

What you are posting isn't terribly ijnsightful, at least, not in the way you think. It does reaffirm my remarks and arguments, however. Otherwise, Charlotte, it's the usual banter of relationship defense that I've seen for six years and yours is not different from any other except in irrelevant details.

especially considering you only post to shove your fundamentalist right wing beliefs down the mouths of desperate women who entered relationships with people you find morally reprehensible for being brown and muslim - but that doesn't mean folks like me don't exist.

Funny, I wasn't aware that advising women not to marry someone they've never met or seen a few times was "shoving fundamentalist right wing beliefs down the mouths of desperate women". I tend to think of it more of common sense.

Brown and Muslim? Well, I've had two middle-eastern roommates and I support my Church's ministry towards Hispanics.

I know there's plenty of readers out there who love to turn this into a race/religion war, but that's not happening with me, Charlotte.

All you've managed to do is support my stance on here and from what you are saying, it looks like race and religion are used to justify in some way, shape or form your relationship.

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