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Nightmare Surfer Soufian from Agadir Morocco

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Submitted by Amber, May 2, 2017 at 02:28

Hello, everyone! I wanted to share more of my experience with everyone here.

Please keep in mind that this is just MY experience, and I realize not all are the same, just another that happens to unfortunately match up to the stereotypes. I met this young man about a year ago online and we instantly hit it off. There was a sweetness and a sincerity in the things he would say that made me want to get to know him more and more. My very first instinct, which I regret not following, was to ignore his initial messages and not take them seriously because he was over 6,000 miles away. He kept messaging, for an entire month, like he just had to get to know me better. I gave in and talked to him and things got really serious really fast.

Not even 3 months into talking, I was on a plane to see him for the first time. We were so in love and had to see each other. The fighting started before I even went to see him the first time. He would make rude comments about my body, and that really upset me. I am a curvy girl, but in a way I think a lot of people usually appreciate. I had a little bit of a belly at the time, but wasn't soooo big. He told me I needed to be more active and healthy and exercise more and eat better. He kept pushing me to go to the gym and asking me how much I weighed, things like that which were really annoying to me. He told me he loved my curves before that. He just didn't make a lot of sense, but that continues later.

I went to see him the first time and I saw that he still had some active dating profiles and was still having inappropriate communications with other women on Facebook. He told me a bunch of lies and tried to manipulate me into thinking I was crazy and everything was my fault, a common theme here, it would seem. He wanted to work things out, so I told him to get rid of the accounts. He hesitated to delete them, but after a little more persisting, it finally happened.

There was a point during that trip where we had a fight following what happened with the dating stuff, and we didn't say a word to each other for 3 days, after which he tried to manipulate me into apologizing by saying he was going to leave for the remaining week and leave me with his family, who barely spoke any English, while he went and did what he wanted with his friends. I was terrified by the thought of that, so I made nice for that time and for the rest of the trip, but I was really shocked at how he played that card.

I went home after that and planned to return last December for my Winter Break. The fights continued, and his comments about my appearance and sometimes even my character continued. I swear, this was the MOST fighting I have ever had with someone I have dated in my life, and it is exhausting and unnecessary. One night after I finished an exam for school, he thought it was cute and funny to call me a fat ass. I got up from my class because I couldn't help the giant tears that came from my face reading that. Of course that sparked another fight, because who wants to be treated that way? We had a long discussion after that, and he agreed to stop with those comments, although he still tried to say a lot of the same things more tactfully after that.

I was really nice and helped him build a website for a business he was interested in promoting, and paid the fees because he asked me to help out a little, and that wasn't a problem for me. He treated me like an employee and was constantly bossing me around and making me make one change after another to perfect things his way, which was far from the fun project I hoped we could do together. I noticed that he seemed to have less interest in playing with me on webcam, as we had done at least once a week before my first visit, and the enjoyment seemed mutual. Something he seemed to really want a lot before, suddenly coming to a screeching halt. I began to wonder if he wasn't satisfying himself in other ways, so I looked up an old username from when we talked before.

The search returned results from different adult sites, many of which were webcam communities, and one said that he had broadcasted very recently. This was, of course, on a night that he told me he was really tired and needed to sleep soon. I confronted him about it, with the concern that he was camming with other people and completely neglecting me. He told me he was just on there testing his camera. He tells the dumbest lies known to man, but there is so much more! He promised he would make things right and we should 'focus on our love and just forget,' about all of the bad things he was doing.

Finally, I made it back to visit again in December. I brought some very nice and thoughtful gifts for him and the family just out of the kindness of my heart. His family had been very warm and welcoming during the first visit, so I offered to bring them something. I bought him two different wetsuits and some other spear fishing equipment, which he was supposed to just hold onto the money for our adventures since he couldn't send what he had through their Western Union. I helped, but I don't think he put as much money aside as he said he was going to. We seemed to almost always be doing things that were either very cheap, or free. I think he was keeping as much of the money for himself as he could, because it didn't add up, and there should have been a bit left over. I didn't make a big deal since I was a guest and they took me in.

During this second trip, I noticed he had been signing into a couple of fake Facebook accounts. I decided to check them out, and both had correspondence of the inappropriate nature with women from all over the world, of course. The conversations made it obvious he was meeting these women from the webcam sites and trying to get them to play with him when he said he was going to sleep. He had been talking to these women the entire time we had been together. He even told some of them to come visit him in Morocco. I guess they were a little smarter than me.

I felt really humiliated at that point and tried to leave, but the family stepped in and asked me to stay. I don't think they really understood too much, and of course he lied to them to make it look like I was just upset for no reason. Later he apologized for all of that and agreed to delete the fake accounts he was using. Not too reassuring when you know he can just make another one in minutes. I don't think the trust was ever the same after that point. I just felt awful the rest of that trip. At one point, I was literally sick one day and he basically said I was just lazy and didn't feel like doing anything. I really didn't feel like explaining myself to a complete idiot that day, so I let him leave me there and go surf with his friends. I hung in there for the rest of that trip, also, and it seemed like almost all of the things we did centered around what he wanted to do.

He didn't take the things I wanted or needed into consideration too much. I think there was ONE day we actually spent the whole day together without any friends or family or surfing. I had bought a camera for that trip as well, and I spent about 1/3 of the time I was there filming him at his request, which made me feel like he was being a little selfish with the time I had left. I was only there for 3 weeks. After I left to go home, it seemed like he suddenly missed me more and wanted to try to work on things.

We were to meet in Bali next, in June. I was a little nervous and unsure about him being responsible enough to handle paying his own way. He did end up asking me to pay for his whole ticket, and when I told him I wasn't going to have the money for two tickets at once, he told me he should just go alone if I can't help him. That felt pretty awful after all of the other sweet things I had done. I stopped talking to him again at that point, but I continued to make excuses for him. He was just younger and stupid and maybe his culture encourages certain behaviors. It still didn't make it any more fun for me.

I also found out that he had gone back to the fake Facebook accounts he told me he deleted because he 'needed something from them.' I'm sure that was exactly it, but he promised to make them gone after that, and they were deleted soon after. We kept going and fighting again and again because he kept making choices that were bad for our relationship. The biggest thing that was bothering me were the comments he would make about my appearance. I think he said things more to try to break my spirit so I wouldn't feel good about myself, because he was always putting himself up very high and thought he was better than me. He had some cute Facebook pics, but in person it wasn't quite the same. Still not BAD, but you know what I mean.

He had an inflated ego based on the attention he got as an Instagram surfer, that kind of thing. He really seemed to need a lot of attention from social media. A LOT. I think he had some problems with his own self-confidence and wanted me to feel like I was beneath him to control me more. Too bad for him, I wasn't having it anymore. I came to the realization that I was a lot happier with myself and the way I looked before he came along, and the only way I could feel good about myself again is to get rid of the one person who made me feel like there was ever anything wrong with me. HIM. I tried to approach him nicely and tell him how he has made me feel about myself, and he just started blaming me for everything again. It was my choice to feel the way that I do, and I could just choose to be happy instead.

It was my fault for starting all of our fights and just being so sick and so crazy. I told him I didn't want to be with him anymore, because I was tired of being treated that way, and he started attacking my character and appearance again. He reminded me again that I was not the only girl in this world. I told him he was welcome to go find someone he was actually happy with, since he seemed to have such a big problem with me. We didn't talk for 5 days after that, and when we did, I told him my decision to end our relationship was final. He went on to create several different fake Facebook accounts to harass me with over the past couple of days. As soon as I would block one, he created a new one that wasn't blocked.

He says the same things every time. He was soooo sorry and he loves me so much and he will make everything better if I just give him one more chance, but then nothing changes. Typical pattern of abuse. Speaking of which, I found a checklist that mental health professionals use for victims of psychological abuse by their partners, and the ONLY things I could not check off and rate at the highest degree of frequency were because we did not have children together. I have hesitated on the ideas of children and marriage. He seemed to want to rush both, but we had agreed to wait until I finished school for children to be a possibility, which was two more years. For the marriage, he kept insisting we hurry on that since the paperwork could take a while and he just wanted to come see me so bad. He did nothing to help me financially with anything during this whole process.

None of the trips or the paperwork he wanted me to submit for the fiance visa (still haven't, and definitely not happening now). He claimed he worked and made some money helping with a small family business attached to their house, which may have been true, but he never said anything about it or mentioned it until I started getting curious about what he was doing, other than surfing, and why I seemed to be expected to handle so much financially. He never seemed to have anything to show from that, and certainly never helped me with anything at all, if he did.

At one point, he told me he had a former girlfriend who died in an accident to make me feel bad and talk to him when we were fighting. These men will literally say anything to make you come back to their madness. I asked him when he first told me about it what the girl's name was, and he told me. Later I would ask him that again because my better instincts were telling me I still can't trust him, and of course the second time, he forgot he had already been asked the same question and gave me a completely different name. He also stated before that when I asked that nobody in his circle of family or friends could verify this girl ever existed.

I told him he was a terrible person who can't seem to stop telling so many lies, and have since deleted my Facebook and Instagram accounts, because that was the only way I could keep him from contacting me in those places. I have also had to block his phone number so he can't call or text me. IIt is REALLY going to take NO CONTACT with this person to rid him from my life, but it needs to happen. I came into this situation with an open mind and open heart, not wanting to believe any of the negative stereotypes I have learned. Unfortunately, HE made all of those things true all by himself. I'm sure things would only get worse if I stayed.

My advice to anyone who is contacted by these men is to stop everything before it starts. Ignore them, block them, whatever you have to do. Just keep them away from you because they will promise you love and happiness and break you down instead.

Sorry that was long. There is more if anyone has any questions. Time to take care of MYSELF again!

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3Curious [54 words]SherryOct 17, 2021 15:08264747
Resposta para Mimi [35 words]AleJan 30, 2022 15:56264747
Rat or not [175 words]MimiJan 31, 2022 13:42264747
4Do Not Be Enticed - An Empty Heart Cannot Be Filled with Empty Promsies [158 words]M ToveyJan 31, 2022 17:42264747
9Do you want my opinion? [133 words]Robin M.Feb 8, 2022 15:02264747
Rat or not [179 words]MimiFeb 9, 2022 13:59264747
4Time to let go [62 words]Robin M.Feb 9, 2022 16:38264747
Rat or not [92 words]MimiJun 23, 2022 16:27264747
2Money scamming is not the main reason [148 words]PrashantJun 24, 2022 08:49264747
Rat or not [249 words]MimiJun 24, 2022 13:12264747
3Overcoming a Fear of Separation Anxiety - Insincerity is the Witness Seen in this Delusion [239 words]M ToveyJun 25, 2022 00:00264747
2Be careful [41 words]Catherine Elaine PeppersFeb 4, 2023 14:50264747
good evening catherine [208 words]MimiFeb 5, 2023 16:02264747
20To Brainwashed Smasher about the true meaning of nikah [505 words]A very concerned readerMar 1, 2021 01:44264398
16To Sherry: Veils for answering the nature's call, the Muslim men's right to rape the unveiled women [345 words]A very concerned readerFeb 26, 2021 14:24264318
25About the houris [690 words]A very concerned readerFeb 23, 2021 00:17264210
22To N and S: some replies to your questions and resources for you! [632 words]A very concerned readerFeb 18, 2021 18:26264041
36Long Live the Non-Muslim [847 words]AliciaFeb 18, 2021 15:37264035
15So beautifully written. Real facts. Why Islam can't be compared to other religions [353 words]A very concerned readerFeb 19, 2021 15:43264035
5Breath Taking and True Post [15 words]ChelseaMar 16, 2021 19:18264035
27Talking about morals: to Alicia on her last post which by the way I love! [314 words]A very concerned readerFeb 16, 2021 00:03263953
18Reply to A very concerned reader [115 words]Jessica (Canada)Feb 17, 2021 00:04263953
22A mix of fear, convenience, jealousy and pride: women's role in Islam [652 words]A very concerned readerFeb 18, 2021 04:44263953
6Hi A very concerned reader [516 words]N and SFeb 18, 2021 13:06263953
17Muslims Countries vs The rest of the World [305 words]AliciaFeb 18, 2021 13:52263953
13Muslim's misgiving [167 words]PrashantFeb 18, 2021 16:33263953
14Wrong religion, wrong site! [84 words]A very concerned readerFeb 19, 2021 16:06263953
7100 percent correct [68 words]Jessica (Canada)Feb 20, 2021 01:34263953
8Well said a Very concerned reader [153 words]Jessica (Canada)Feb 20, 2021 01:52263953
12Here's a nice example [79 words]JeffFeb 20, 2021 21:21263953
8Oh, The houris... [441 words]A very concerned readerFeb 20, 2021 23:52263953
11Once again, one-sided love [66 words]A very concerned readerFeb 22, 2021 13:33263953
1Failure to Notice Where Devotion to God is Supreme in Eternity [211 words]M ToveyFeb 22, 2021 15:38263953
4Haha A concerned reader [12 words]jessica (canada)Feb 22, 2021 18:43263953
14A God with no compassion, a reward full of lust [116 words]A very concerned readerFeb 22, 2021 22:48263953
2Very well said [5 words]PrasthantFeb 23, 2021 22:09263953
11Recovery [76 words]SherryFeb 24, 2021 11:35263953
4Relationships that Serve the Prideful Self Always Breaks the Hearts of Others [366 words]M ToveyFeb 24, 2021 12:49263953
9NPD in Muslim men and Ali Sina [317 words]A very concerned readerFeb 24, 2021 13:25263953
9Very nice reflection, M Tovey: time comes when the only thing you see is the Muslim man [358 words]A very concerned readerFeb 25, 2021 01:35263953
4Objection on Religious Grounds - Men and Women Equal in Eyes of Heaven, Salvation [479 words]M ToveyFeb 26, 2021 18:53263953
9Narcissist destroy, empaths create: a selfish religion to cater one man's needs? [483 words]A very concerned readerMar 1, 2021 15:06263953
2Correction [45 words]A very concerned readerMar 1, 2021 17:43263953
3Male-Female Emotional Disparity - Seeking Common Ground of Love [342 words]M ToveyMar 2, 2021 13:31263953
5Sowing what we truly embrace and want to reap! [314 words]A very concerned readerMar 3, 2021 02:48263953
5Emotional Survival of the Most Desperate Kind [438 words]M ToveyMar 4, 2021 11:49263953
8To N and S [233 words]Lana(USA)Feb 11, 2021 21:19263845
17Thank you FAtou [88 words]BaboonFeb 9, 2021 12:49263786
9Hi Jessica [190 words]N and SFeb 9, 2021 15:57263786
10N and S [228 words]LinaFeb 9, 2021 17:05263786
19It's more dangerous than people may think [254 words]A very concerned readerFeb 10, 2021 14:57263786
8Very good points [213 words]LinaFeb 10, 2021 22:17263786
7Very true [120 words]A very concerned readerFeb 11, 2021 15:22263786
7N and S [471 words]Lana(USA)Feb 11, 2021 21:09263786
4N and S reply [645 words]jessica (canada)Feb 12, 2021 18:23263786
7Hi A very concerned reader [516 words]N and SFeb 17, 2021 16:51263786
3WEAK [23 words]alanaSep 12, 2021 07:00263786
48To Fatou/Adja, to the immigration officers of Western countries, to this forum readers. To those googling "I'm in love with a Muslim man" [812 words]A very concerned readerFeb 9, 2021 00:36263772
17I wish I could raise a toast to this [174 words]AliciaFeb 10, 2021 01:16263772
11Cheers! [230 words]A very concerned readerFeb 10, 2021 14:16263772
5Let's raise* that toast!!! [23 words]A very concerned readerFeb 10, 2021 15:11263772
11I could not agree more! [178 words]Lana(USA)Feb 11, 2021 01:10263772
19Why they don't like Christianity [713 words]A very concerned readerFeb 11, 2021 06:28263772
10Big hypocrite [222 words]Lana(USA)Feb 11, 2021 09:16263772
14Hijab and the hypocrisy of it [144 words]A very concerned readerFeb 11, 2021 15:13263772
4Where is the Truth Hiding When No One is Looking for it [233 words]M ToveyFeb 11, 2021 21:35263772
14My insight about Islam and why a Non Muslim woman can fit in this ideology [648 words]A very concerned readerFeb 14, 2021 00:18263772
2Why Non Muslim women can't fit* [14 words]A very concerned readerFeb 14, 2021 01:18263772
18Their lives and hearts are so dark [102 words]Ella AustraliaFeb 14, 2021 23:54263772
11Why they don't like Christianity [19 words]Lisa D.Feb 15, 2021 12:35263772
1Why Eternal Fulfillment is of Love/Respect is Hard to See [282 words]M ToveyFeb 15, 2021 18:02263772
7Well said, Islam has straight jacketed itself into self destruction. [139 words]PrasthantFeb 15, 2021 18:30263772
12Same feeling here, Ella, while we make great efforts to integrate their culture [144 words]A very concerned readerFeb 16, 2021 02:18263772
2Basis of Anthipathy Towards Judeo-Christian (Messianic) Beliefs [220 words]M ToveyFeb 19, 2021 21:55263772
3Great Truth teachings on Islam [99 words]SherryFeb 24, 2021 11:56263772
5Veils for answering the nature's call, the Muslim men's right to rape the unveiled women [338 words]A very concerned readerFeb 26, 2021 06:33263772
4Muslim dislike Christian / Christians have POWER over them [7 words]BrendaSep 17, 2021 15:28263772
7Hijab should not be used to exemplify diversity [274 words]PrashantFeb 7, 2021 01:39263720
21To Fatou: we wish we were discarded by your men!/ Thank us for warning you that they don't respect you either [335 words]A very concerned readerFeb 6, 2021 15:12263711
10Ladies here last comment [146 words]FatouFeb 6, 2021 09:56263707
Rat or not? [106 words]MimiAug 16, 2021 15:20263707
10Muslim Men will NEVER Marry a 53 year old Woman [243 words]AliciaAug 16, 2021 21:34263707
Female 53 years old. [102 words]MimiAug 17, 2021 14:42263707
5Hijab should not be presented as a symbol of diversity [159 words]PrashantFeb 6, 2021 01:47263699
7Hijab as a political statement [45 words]Lisa D.Feb 9, 2021 15:10263699
4Lina reply [90 words]FatouFeb 5, 2021 17:30263683
12Fatou: We wish they discard us!/ you should thank us for warning you [247 words]A very concerned readerFeb 6, 2021 14:57263683
4I would just leave it be [64 words]AjdaFeb 8, 2021 02:01263683
11Hmmm Fatou we all wonder [66 words]jessica (canada)Feb 8, 2021 11:51263683
5Ajda [7 words]FatouFeb 8, 2021 15:39263683
11Fatou's self-righteousness stinks [110 words]PrashantFeb 9, 2021 18:12263683
3Married [25 words]To Jessica canadaFeb 11, 2021 10:11263683
5Big hypocrites too!!! [263 words]Lana(USA)Feb 11, 2021 10:51263683
9Religion over Science [77 words]Lisa DFeb 11, 2021 12:35263683
5Gifts [12 words]LinaFeb 11, 2021 15:48263683
19Marriage means nothing in Islam, my dear [101 words]A very concerned readerFeb 11, 2021 18:04263683
6Reply about Married- and why are you using my name [143 words]jessica (canada)Feb 12, 2021 16:23263683
13Islam is the worst, Muslim countries will never prosper they just get worse [87 words]AliciaFeb 12, 2021 17:33263683
6Alicia is right about Islam [96 words]PrashantFeb 15, 2021 18:42263683
6Cannot say Merry Christmas in here. [43 words]Jessica (Canada)Feb 15, 2021 22:34263683
9You're very right, that's why our women need to be aware of this [300 words]A very concerned readerFeb 15, 2021 23:12263683
7Big thank you and my best wishes always [263 words]A very concerned readerFeb 15, 2021 23:37263683
2Rat?? [99 words]MimiAug 18, 2021 05:17263683
1ROP celebrations in Dhaka [184 words]PrashantApr 5, 2022 21:00263683
Another violent incidence in Tel Aviv [122 words]PrashantApr 7, 2022 21:03263683
15The true face of a real Muslim Woman [1019 words]AliciaFeb 5, 2021 13:58263674
21To Fatou: Muslimahs are deceived too. Are you surprised? [294 words]A very concerned readerFeb 5, 2021 13:14263670
4We all wait for Fatou reply to your comments [11 words]jessica (canada)Feb 8, 2021 11:56263670
2Lina [144 words]FatouFeb 5, 2021 09:16263662
1Explain to concerned reader [145 words]FatouFeb 5, 2021 09:08263661
16Your points [64 words]LinaFeb 5, 2021 13:54263661
21Correction and more unreplied questions [209 words]A very concerned readerFeb 5, 2021 14:43263661
14Purpose of the board [233 words]LinaFeb 5, 2021 17:34263661
8Things that happen in males parties and when nobody is watching [39 words]A very concerned readerFeb 5, 2021 20:01263661
13I'll take what I want from your culture and insult the rest [125 words]JeffFeb 5, 2021 20:44263661
16The reasons why Fatou is here and the controversial respect topic [290 words]A very concerned readerFeb 6, 2021 16:03263661
3Lina and other who take this tone in comments [107 words]FatouFeb 7, 2021 09:55263661
7Don't forget [144 words]LinaFeb 8, 2021 14:38263661
6Thank you [125 words]LinaFeb 8, 2021 14:48263661
5Or better still [18 words]LinaFeb 8, 2021 14:50263661
8So true, Lina [123 words]A concerned readerFeb 8, 2021 23:15263661
3Thanks to you too! [23 words]A very concerned readerFeb 8, 2021 23:52263661
8That is why Muslims (and the reader Fatou) need education [157 words]PrashantFeb 9, 2021 17:59263661
27Muslim Marriages the REAL WAY [1437 words]AliciaFeb 4, 2021 23:03263645
12What a good picture of Pakistani societal system [281 words]A very concerned readerFeb 5, 2021 13:58263645
7Yes muslim will never like non-muslim [86 words]jessica (canada)Feb 8, 2021 12:07263645
6This part is so true Alicia [387 words]jessica (canada)Feb 8, 2021 12:45263645
1Pipes Response/Our Religion [36 words]FatouFeb 4, 2021 16:31263624
3Teaching basic Arabic to wannabe Arabs our dear Fatou [241 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 5, 2021 14:14263624
4Guiding the perplexed our dear Fatou and deciphering the Arabic language [97 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 5, 2021 14:29263624
1Our dear Fatou and the word الصلوة/الصلاة (PRAYER) in the Qur'an [398 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 6, 2021 07:50263624
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AjdaFeb 8, 2021 09:53263624
23About arranged marriages: what Western women must know [299 words]A very concerned readerFeb 3, 2021 22:30263589
19In response to Fatou 2: It's all about respect [123 words]A very concerned readerFeb 3, 2021 17:55263578
10A very concerned reader: The correct translation of صلى الله عليه وسلم is not the PBUH nonsense [158 words]
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