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Submitted by Lana(USA) (United States), May 15, 2017 at 19:31

Hello everyone

I just came across this article and think that it will be very helpful to share here for better understanding of how some of us were manipulated.(I was):

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From Your Quora Digest ·
Narcissism
How do you feel as narcisstic supply?
Bob Bobby
Bob Bobby
Answered May 6

You feel absolutely amazing at first. They come in showering you with affection and love (love bombing). They do everything they can to make their first impression be "perfect girlfriend" (or boyfriend). They have the same likes as you, you do the same stuff together, and you feel like you have somehow become a God because you have found the perfect person you have been wanting your entire life. They start talking about marriage quickly, kids, and a happily ever after. You think it's too early, but you disregard that because they are just perfect in every way. Granted, some minor red flags, but you ignore because what they provide is much better than worrying about some minor issues.

You reach the top of your pedestal, raise your arms and let out a roar. They hear it. Then comes the devaluation.

It may be an event, an anniversary of some type for them, something that reminds them of something, or they feel like they have complete control over you. They want you to meow like a cat, and you do. They want you to do stuff, and you do. They now have complete control because you're still in the love-bombing phase while they have begun to devalue you.

Now, everything they once loved about you becomes things they seem to hate. They used to love bombarding you with text messages every 5 minutes. It didn't matter if you were with your family, they wanted full attention, but they were perfect so you gave it to them. All we ever do is all we ever knew, so we start bombarding them with text messages because that's what they wanted, but suddenly just switched.

You start realizing that no matter what you do, even if it's save a family from a burning house, you somehow deserve criticism from the narcissist. Sure you saved the family, but you didn't save the house, so you aren't good enough. You start wondering what you did so wrong in the relationship to deserve this sudden switch. What did I do to hurt them? What's wrong with me? It must have been something *I* did. After all, I was once a God to this person. They LOVE me. *I* must have done something wrong.

So you start changing things, start sucking up to their demands and wants, without giving a shit about your own well being. After all, once you save your relationship and go back to how things were in the beginning, everything will magically get better! All your anxiety and depression will be gone because the source of those problems was destroyed. So you dig yourself deeper in a hole trying to find that person you fell in love with.

Meanwhile, the narcissist starts using their other supply sources. You're still "in a relationship" (although extremely toxic). You go out with a group of friends and they put on their charm. See? They still do exist! Then you start threatening their need to be the center of attention by adding your input. Their friends (other supply) laugh at a joke you make, but your narcissist girlfriend just rolls her eyes and makes a snark comment, even if they thought your joke was funny. They then revert to being the center of attention and "love bomb" their supply sources, even those they have no intentions of switching that supply into a romantic supply. They start telling them how much she loves them and charms them up to where they think the Narc is, well, what you thought in the beginning. This then makes you jealous, because no matter what the other sources do, they get praise. No matter what you do, you get treated like a peasant that didn't harvest enough wheat.

Eventually you have enough of the abuse. You're in the pits and start realizing it may be better to leave the relationship rather than chase the person they once were (but never actually was). But you're a decent human being so you try to communicate with your narc. But they aren't ready to discard you. They still want you around because despite the devalue, you still have SOME supply left, or they haven't found a new romantic source. So they manipulate you further. They say things that make you feel guilty if you left. "You're the only person keeping my feet on the ground". "You are such a sweetheart". Finally words you've spent ages wanting to hear. Maybe this is the turn-around! So you don't leave, you stay. That false self they projected at the beginning has come back! But... not for long. Not long at all. Sometimes only an hour. Sometimes only those sentences. So you take the abuse. You start thinking of leaving, but you still hold onto the hopes of that false self actually existing (it's much worse when you know nothing of narcissism, which a lot of people don't, and most that do know about it, are because they experienced the abuse).

Then you either run for your life. They realize you are gone. Well, not you. Your supply. What you provided for THEM is gone. They can't live without that, so they come chasing you down and try to suck you back into the mess.

OR

You try so hard and hard to make that false self come back. You know deep down thats who they really are! Or at least, thats what you mind thinks since you've been manipulated so often. Then they discard you like it doesn't matter. They just toss you off to the side and leave you to die. It doesn't matter how terrible you feel. They may even apologize, but with nothing behind it but wanting to slip the mask back on. They don't care, as long as they have supply, and you have been drained.

You suffer for awhile, wondering what in gods name you did so badly to deserve this hatred. This pain. The abuse. What did you do? Sometimes you latch onto an event that may have caused the devalue phase to start. If I wasn't so needy while in the hospital after a serious surgery. If only I didn't ask so much in MY time of pain. If maybe I didn't trigger a bad memory of theirs, despite never knowing anything about that memory. If I had only...

Then you try to reach out to mutual friends. But they are friends no more. You see, your ex was a charming, sweet, innocent person. They aren't this terrible demon that ripped your heart out and laughed about it. Hell no! They are just some sweet, innocent person that had a troubled past! How DARE you make them cry? How dare you! Oh the good old flying monkeys. The ones that your narc has manipulated into being against you. Triangulated people so that THEY are the victim and you are a terrible person. It's your fault the relationship failed! The narc said so while crying and "devastated". YOU ARE AT FAULT.

Now you've lost everyone. Everyone now hates you to add insult to injury. Your narcissist is a master at manipulation. It's in their blood. No matter what you say. Not matter how much YOU cry. Even if they witnessed your narc abusing you, they won't believe it. They are manipulated up the ass and can't see straight. They will believe the Narcs story. They are the victim, you are the abuser.

Then you come here online, searching for answers. You learn of narcissism. You learn that what you are dealing with (emotional abuse. Narcissistic abuse is a slang term for this sort of emotional abuse, but it is emotional abuse). You finally realize that you were not to blame at all. You were perfect, and did everything right. They are the ones with problems. You breath a sigh of relief. You aren't f**ked up after all. You realize that although the person you loved may be "back" but with someone else, you know they are going to suffer the same consequences. It's bitter sweet. You're an empathetic person, which is why you attracted the narcissist in the first place. You want to save that future victim, but you know there is nothing you can do. But you also know that they may be eating the cake now, but eventually the gigantic shit is coming for them as well.

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Now you've been warned.)))
Love and happy Summer ahead to all!!!!!!!
Lana

Its worse when you know what caused the devaluation phase, despite knowing you couldn't have prevented that. You also start wondering if they really are an NPD or not, after all most don't get diagnosed because they have no idea they are a narcissist and don't think they are the problem, everyone else is. They were raised in a certain way that made them become a narcissist. When we're young, and being raised, it's when we learn everything, especially what creates our personality and behavior. They simply do not know what it's like to be a normal person, thus they cannot do anything to become a normal person. Trying to raise an adult that's experienced so much is much more difficult than raising a child that's oblivious to the world.

tl;dr - it's great in the idealization phase. It's abuse in the devaluation phase. it's depression and anxiety in the discard phase. Is it worth the idealization phase? Hell no.

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Daniel Pipes replies:

Bobby's generalized account of love with a narcissist does remarkably track the pattern of so many of the stories recounted on this page.

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12Here's a nice example [79 words]JeffFeb 20, 2021 21:21263953
8Oh, The houris... [441 words]A very concerned readerFeb 20, 2021 23:52263953
11Once again, one-sided love [66 words]A very concerned readerFeb 22, 2021 13:33263953
1Failure to Notice Where Devotion to God is Supreme in Eternity [211 words]M ToveyFeb 22, 2021 15:38263953
4Haha A concerned reader [12 words]jessica (canada)Feb 22, 2021 18:43263953
14A God with no compassion, a reward full of lust [116 words]A very concerned readerFeb 22, 2021 22:48263953
2Very well said [5 words]PrasthantFeb 23, 2021 22:09263953
11Recovery [76 words]SherryFeb 24, 2021 11:35263953
4Relationships that Serve the Prideful Self Always Breaks the Hearts of Others [366 words]M ToveyFeb 24, 2021 12:49263953
9NPD in Muslim men and Ali Sina [317 words]A very concerned readerFeb 24, 2021 13:25263953
9Very nice reflection, M Tovey: time comes when the only thing you see is the Muslim man [358 words]A very concerned readerFeb 25, 2021 01:35263953
4Objection on Religious Grounds - Men and Women Equal in Eyes of Heaven, Salvation [479 words]M ToveyFeb 26, 2021 18:53263953
9Narcissist destroy, empaths create: a selfish religion to cater one man's needs? [483 words]A very concerned readerMar 1, 2021 15:06263953
2Correction [45 words]A very concerned readerMar 1, 2021 17:43263953
3Male-Female Emotional Disparity - Seeking Common Ground of Love [342 words]M ToveyMar 2, 2021 13:31263953
5Sowing what we truly embrace and want to reap! [314 words]A very concerned readerMar 3, 2021 02:48263953
5Emotional Survival of the Most Desperate Kind [438 words]M ToveyMar 4, 2021 11:49263953
8To N and S [233 words]Lana(USA)Feb 11, 2021 21:19263845
17Thank you FAtou [88 words]BaboonFeb 9, 2021 12:49263786
9Hi Jessica [190 words]N and SFeb 9, 2021 15:57263786
10N and S [228 words]LinaFeb 9, 2021 17:05263786
19It's more dangerous than people may think [254 words]A very concerned readerFeb 10, 2021 14:57263786
8Very good points [213 words]LinaFeb 10, 2021 22:17263786
7Very true [120 words]A very concerned readerFeb 11, 2021 15:22263786
7N and S [471 words]Lana(USA)Feb 11, 2021 21:09263786
4N and S reply [645 words]jessica (canada)Feb 12, 2021 18:23263786
7Hi A very concerned reader [516 words]N and SFeb 17, 2021 16:51263786
3WEAK [23 words]alanaSep 12, 2021 07:00263786
48To Fatou/Adja, to the immigration officers of Western countries, to this forum readers. To those googling "I'm in love with a Muslim man" [812 words]A very concerned readerFeb 9, 2021 00:36263772
17I wish I could raise a toast to this [174 words]AliciaFeb 10, 2021 01:16263772
11Cheers! [230 words]A very concerned readerFeb 10, 2021 14:16263772
5Let's raise* that toast!!! [23 words]A very concerned readerFeb 10, 2021 15:11263772
11I could not agree more! [178 words]Lana(USA)Feb 11, 2021 01:10263772
19Why they don't like Christianity [713 words]A very concerned readerFeb 11, 2021 06:28263772
10Big hypocrite [222 words]Lana(USA)Feb 11, 2021 09:16263772
14Hijab and the hypocrisy of it [144 words]A very concerned readerFeb 11, 2021 15:13263772
4Where is the Truth Hiding When No One is Looking for it [233 words]M ToveyFeb 11, 2021 21:35263772
14My insight about Islam and why a Non Muslim woman can fit in this ideology [648 words]A very concerned readerFeb 14, 2021 00:18263772
2Why Non Muslim women can't fit* [14 words]A very concerned readerFeb 14, 2021 01:18263772
18Their lives and hearts are so dark [102 words]Ella AustraliaFeb 14, 2021 23:54263772
11Why they don't like Christianity [19 words]Lisa D.Feb 15, 2021 12:35263772
1Why Eternal Fulfillment is of Love/Respect is Hard to See [282 words]M ToveyFeb 15, 2021 18:02263772
7Well said, Islam has straight jacketed itself into self destruction. [139 words]PrasthantFeb 15, 2021 18:30263772
12Same feeling here, Ella, while we make great efforts to integrate their culture [144 words]A very concerned readerFeb 16, 2021 02:18263772
2Basis of Anthipathy Towards Judeo-Christian (Messianic) Beliefs [220 words]M ToveyFeb 19, 2021 21:55263772
3Great Truth teachings on Islam [99 words]SherryFeb 24, 2021 11:56263772
5Veils for answering the nature's call, the Muslim men's right to rape the unveiled women [338 words]A very concerned readerFeb 26, 2021 06:33263772
4Muslim dislike Christian / Christians have POWER over them [7 words]BrendaSep 17, 2021 15:28263772
7Hijab should not be used to exemplify diversity [274 words]PrashantFeb 7, 2021 01:39263720
21To Fatou: we wish we were discarded by your men!/ Thank us for warning you that they don't respect you either [335 words]A very concerned readerFeb 6, 2021 15:12263711
10Ladies here last comment [146 words]FatouFeb 6, 2021 09:56263707
Rat or not? [106 words]MimiAug 16, 2021 15:20263707
10Muslim Men will NEVER Marry a 53 year old Woman [243 words]AliciaAug 16, 2021 21:34263707
Female 53 years old. [102 words]MimiAug 17, 2021 14:42263707
5Hijab should not be presented as a symbol of diversity [159 words]PrashantFeb 6, 2021 01:47263699
7Hijab as a political statement [45 words]Lisa D.Feb 9, 2021 15:10263699
4Lina reply [90 words]FatouFeb 5, 2021 17:30263683
12Fatou: We wish they discard us!/ you should thank us for warning you [247 words]A very concerned readerFeb 6, 2021 14:57263683
4I would just leave it be [64 words]AjdaFeb 8, 2021 02:01263683
11Hmmm Fatou we all wonder [66 words]jessica (canada)Feb 8, 2021 11:51263683
5Ajda [7 words]FatouFeb 8, 2021 15:39263683
11Fatou's self-righteousness stinks [110 words]PrashantFeb 9, 2021 18:12263683
3Married [25 words]To Jessica canadaFeb 11, 2021 10:11263683
5Big hypocrites too!!! [263 words]Lana(USA)Feb 11, 2021 10:51263683
9Religion over Science [77 words]Lisa DFeb 11, 2021 12:35263683
5Gifts [12 words]LinaFeb 11, 2021 15:48263683
19Marriage means nothing in Islam, my dear [101 words]A very concerned readerFeb 11, 2021 18:04263683
6Reply about Married- and why are you using my name [143 words]jessica (canada)Feb 12, 2021 16:23263683
13Islam is the worst, Muslim countries will never prosper they just get worse [87 words]AliciaFeb 12, 2021 17:33263683
6Alicia is right about Islam [96 words]PrashantFeb 15, 2021 18:42263683
6Cannot say Merry Christmas in here. [43 words]Jessica (Canada)Feb 15, 2021 22:34263683
9You're very right, that's why our women need to be aware of this [300 words]A very concerned readerFeb 15, 2021 23:12263683
7Big thank you and my best wishes always [263 words]A very concerned readerFeb 15, 2021 23:37263683
2Rat?? [99 words]MimiAug 18, 2021 05:17263683
1ROP celebrations in Dhaka [184 words]PrashantApr 5, 2022 21:00263683
Another violent incidence in Tel Aviv [122 words]PrashantApr 7, 2022 21:03263683
15The true face of a real Muslim Woman [1019 words]AliciaFeb 5, 2021 13:58263674
21To Fatou: Muslimahs are deceived too. Are you surprised? [294 words]A very concerned readerFeb 5, 2021 13:14263670
4We all wait for Fatou reply to your comments [11 words]jessica (canada)Feb 8, 2021 11:56263670
2Lina [144 words]FatouFeb 5, 2021 09:16263662
1Explain to concerned reader [145 words]FatouFeb 5, 2021 09:08263661
16Your points [64 words]LinaFeb 5, 2021 13:54263661
21Correction and more unreplied questions [209 words]A very concerned readerFeb 5, 2021 14:43263661
14Purpose of the board [233 words]LinaFeb 5, 2021 17:34263661
8Things that happen in males parties and when nobody is watching [39 words]A very concerned readerFeb 5, 2021 20:01263661
13I'll take what I want from your culture and insult the rest [125 words]JeffFeb 5, 2021 20:44263661
16The reasons why Fatou is here and the controversial respect topic [290 words]A very concerned readerFeb 6, 2021 16:03263661
3Lina and other who take this tone in comments [107 words]FatouFeb 7, 2021 09:55263661
7Don't forget [144 words]LinaFeb 8, 2021 14:38263661
6Thank you [125 words]LinaFeb 8, 2021 14:48263661
5Or better still [18 words]LinaFeb 8, 2021 14:50263661
8So true, Lina [123 words]A concerned readerFeb 8, 2021 23:15263661
3Thanks to you too! [23 words]A very concerned readerFeb 8, 2021 23:52263661
8That is why Muslims (and the reader Fatou) need education [157 words]PrashantFeb 9, 2021 17:59263661
27Muslim Marriages the REAL WAY [1437 words]AliciaFeb 4, 2021 23:03263645
12What a good picture of Pakistani societal system [281 words]A very concerned readerFeb 5, 2021 13:58263645
7Yes muslim will never like non-muslim [86 words]jessica (canada)Feb 8, 2021 12:07263645
6This part is so true Alicia [387 words]jessica (canada)Feb 8, 2021 12:45263645
1Pipes Response/Our Religion [36 words]FatouFeb 4, 2021 16:31263624
3Teaching basic Arabic to wannabe Arabs our dear Fatou [241 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 5, 2021 14:14263624
4Guiding the perplexed our dear Fatou and deciphering the Arabic language [97 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 5, 2021 14:29263624
1Our dear Fatou and the word الصلوة/الصلاة (PRAYER) in the Qur'an [398 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 6, 2021 07:50263624
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AjdaFeb 8, 2021 09:53263624
23About arranged marriages: what Western women must know [299 words]A very concerned readerFeb 3, 2021 22:30263589
19In response to Fatou 2: It's all about respect [123 words]A very concerned readerFeb 3, 2021 17:55263578
10A very concerned reader: The correct translation of صلى الله عليه وسلم is not the PBUH nonsense [158 words]
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dhimmi no moreFeb 3, 2021 15:07263571

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