still no comprehensive answer. please answer with logic, not emotion...

Submitted by dianamoon (United States), Dec 12, 2005 at 10:48

Again, I receive a response from one of my posts, laden with emotion, but sorely lacking in any type of fact.....

I have posted honestly about the violent mentions in the Christian Bible. Not one Muslim here has commented on the violent mentions in the Qu'uran.

I have posted honestly about dhimmism, and what poeple in countries ruled by Sharia must llive with.I follow with a quote by Tariq:

"Sure the Dhimmis have to pay Jizya(tax). and u may like to believe that its evil to tax dhimmis. but ur wrong again. In order to ensure that the dhimmis get their rights, a country has to spend money. they recover this money by taxing Dhimmis. and the amount is also very small plus non working dhimmis eg. old or retired ppl, disabled, children and non working women are exempt from this tax.

now that you know the facts, do you think that there is anything 'evil' about jizya?"

ummm.... but why are the dhimmis the only ones who are required to pay this tax? The rest of the population gets their rights without the tax...Also, you fail to state the fact that the dhimmis are not allowed to hold public office, or work in many public capacities. How are their rights being protected when they have no voice in government.

Tariq, I do not think that jizya is evil, I know that it's evil. It is legal discrimination, and most of the western world did away with that a long time ago...

Also, no comment on the UAE or Malaysia, which we see from my posts, are not so tolerant after all.....

Tariq also states:
"You just reply back using the same tools to defame Islam that u all have used before: Lies, wrong facts, fallacies, mixing facts with opinions, misrepresentation of facts,avoiding the topic(hedging) or altogether changing it."

Give me some examples of my wrongness, and how am I hedging? changing? When I have posted an answer to someone, I always post directly on the subject. That was why I wrote you 2 answers to your last post, because you spoke on 2 trains of thought.

As for your statements about Bush, well, the problem with that, is that Bush is not a religious leader. He is not a member of the clergy. We have a Constitution which hinders his powers, and oftentimes does, contrary to popular opinion. The leaders in Muslim dominated countries, are clergy. Bush may be a Christian, but he is not a preacher.

You may not be familiar with the English euphamism, " if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's a duck" It is a common statement. I am not specifically calling Muslim leaders a duck. I am stating that all evidence would point to something that walks, looks, and quacks like a duck, being a duck. Muslim leaders worldwide are what they are violent and intolerant. Political speeches regularly attack anyone who is not Muslim, calling all Muslims worldwide to arms against the infidel.... Need I go on? Muslim leaders are violent. It is a fact proven out by evidence.

Another quote from Tariq...

"there is one more religion which suffers even more then buddhism,hinduism and christianity.
its Islam. It suffers more because muslims themselves dont know much about Islam. example about Jihad. ..."

A; Muslims are not suffering in any country, except perhaps France... In western countries, everyone is so worried about making the Muslims feel good, that very few people are willing to say anything about them.In Muslim countries, the are the rulers over oppressed nonmusllims.

B: Why would anyone follow a belief that they don't know about? That makes no sense whatsoever.How can anyone comment on how good a religion is when thay don't even understand it? And how can you be so sure that you are the one who understands it? What if the others are right? More Muslims seem to think that Jihad means a violent confrontation. So, maybe they are right....

I asked before, for someone to prove me wrong... I want facts, not opinions. It is sad, because I think I could probably quote the Qu'uran more succinctly than Muslims that are posting here... NOONE IS GIVING ME FACTS. All I get in response to my posts are a few words laden with emotions. Don't answer me as a person, answer my facts, with facts of your own... Tell me why I should listen to you, when so much of Islam IS violent. What evidence have you got to show me that I'm wrong?

With growing affection....... Dianamoon

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