reply to diana.

Submitted by tariq (United Arab Emirates), Dec 14, 2005 at 04:54

I dont think that my reply was 'laden with emotion and 'sorely lacking in any type of fact'. You can read the facts here http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/29566

'Not one Muslim here has commented on the violent mentions in the Qu'uran.'
The only violence mentioned in the Quran is for self defense. The rest is only misrepresentation of Quranic verses by non-muslims.

'But why are the dhimmis the only ones who are required to pay this tax? The rest of the population gets their rights without the tax'
my comments about dhimmis can be found here http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/29566

u can find the answer to ur question on this webpage, but you 'll hav to search for it. so ill give u the answer here. Only the Dhimmis hav to pay jizya because the Dhimmis have 'have special rights such as drinking alcohol, gambling, eating pork etc (all haram in Islam). they can also build their own places of worship eg churches and temples and they can also set up their own courts.' the 'rest' are muslims who dont have any special rights. Suppose in a muslim majority country a muslim builds a mosque, would he hav any problem doing tht? No. But a Christian (wen building a church) would have face some problems from muslims who dont know anything about Islamic laws, and the government would have to spend money to give the Christian his right. So it makes perfect sense to collect a very small amount of money from the Dhimmi and not the 'rest'

'Also, you fail to state the fact that the dhimmis are not allowed to hold public office, or work in many public capacities'
Is it really a fact? i didnt know tht.But tht doesnt mean its true. Non-muslims hav a very good reputation of lying about Islam, and they along with some Muslims hav no knowledge about Islam. eg all the comments by non-muslims(specially on jihad)

'Tariq also states:
'"You just reply back using the same tools to defame Islam that u all have used before: Lies, wrong facts, fallacies, mixing facts with opinions, misrepresentation of facts,avoiding the topic(hedging) or altogether changing it."'

Plz note tht i said U ALL.
i was refering not just to u but also to all other non-muslims here. and as for hedging, the topic was about Jihad. But now as we all know that jihad is peaceful, U ALL have to change the topic.

'As for your statements about Bush, well, the problem with that, is that Bush is not a religious leader.' my point exactly. 'u' see wot some muslims do and assume tht its an Islamic law.

here are my comments from before:
Lets use your logic.
there are two steps to do that
1) look what a communities 'leader' is doing.
2) assume that the whole community is doing that
Now what i write below is not my opinion. i'll just use ur logic
Bush looks like a monkey, walks like a monkey and talks like a monkey, so he must be a monkey. and as he is the 'leader' of christians...
You know where the above sentence will lead to. But i wont finish it as i dont believe in this
http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/29767

I admit i was not clear. By YOUR LOGIC i meant all the non-muslims here.. this is exactly wot the non-muslims here are doing: looking at ppl like saddam hussein and Osama, and thinking tht their actions are Islamic. or looking at how non-muslims are treated in muslim countries and thinking tht Jizya is evil.

heres my proof:"Muslim leaders worldwide are what they are violent and intolerant. Political speeches regularly attack anyone who is not Muslim, calling all Muslims worldwide to arms against the infidel.... "
Thts wot u said(http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/29797)
How can u assume who tht these 'leaders' are our religious leaders as well? Many claim to be but they are liars.

'Another part of ur reply.
"Another quote from Tariq...

"there is one more religion which suffers even more then buddhism,hinduism and christianity.
its Islam. It suffers more because muslims themselves dont know much about Islam. example about Jihad. ..."

A; Muslims are not suffering in any country, except perhaps France... In western countries, everyone is so worried about making the Muslims feel good, that very few people are willing to say anything about them.In Muslim countries, the are the rulers over oppressed nonmusllims"
http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/29797
and also:
B: Why would anyone follow a belief that they don't know about? That makes no sense whatsoever.How can anyone comment on how good a religion is when thay don't even understand it? And how can you be so sure that you are the one who understands it? What if the others are right? More Muslims seem to think that Jihad means a violent confrontation. So, maybe they are right....

Remember i said wot non-muslims do to facts?
"Muslims are not suffering in any country, except perhaps France',usa,uk, afghnistan,sudan,iraq,iran,pakistan,india,libya,bosnia,kashmir,palastine etc etc.

"In western countries, everyone is so worried about making the Muslims feel good, that very few people are willing to say anything about them." yeah right.
I hate to be rude but it seems like ur totally disconnected from the rest of the world. Muslims face regular discrimination and hate crimes in Christian and Hindu majority countries.Specially USA.. nad India. this may not sound like something serious, but its really embarrassing and humialiating to be discriminated. and ofcourse hate crimes result in serious injuries.(im sure Christianity doesnt allow this kind of behaviour)

"Why would anyone follow a belief that they don't know about?" so you're trying to say tht i m wrong?
"And how can you be so sure that you are the one who understands it? What if the others are right? More Muslims seem to think that Jihad means a violent confrontation. So, maybe they are right"

Answers to ur Qs:
Why would anyone follow a belief that they don't know about?"
These muslims dont know that they dont undrstand Islam.(how i wish they did)
And how can you be so sure that you are the one who understands it?What if the others are right
Im sure tht im right because i dont just type anything i like, anything i want to be true, or anything i observe or hear about. if i dont know smthing i admit i dont know about it and if im not sure i find out fom CREDIBLE SOURCES
There are two very credible sources for Islamic laws: Quran and Shariah.But every thing u hear about Quran and Shariah is not tru. Ppl lie too much.
And others are not right. Wen it comes to jihad even the muslims tht think its all about fighting.
but its not. I study in a university and one of the courses im taking this semster is Introduction to Islam(not tht i need any but i took this course to pass with good grades without studying too hard)
in this course i had to give a speech and a report on a topic. i choose Jihad. While doing some research i came across this website and D. Pipes article about Jihad. So right now im sure tht i know more about jihad than any1 else who has commented before me.

" It is sad, because I think I could probably quote the Qu'uran more succinctly than Muslims that are posting here.."
NO ONE here has any authority to quote the Quran UNLESS he/she can cite a Very CREDIBLE source.
I wrote some words in Capital not because i want to shout or be aggressive but because i want u to know tht these are important.
"Don't answer me as a person, answer my facts, with facts of your own"
I dont make up my own facts. i only type wot i know. there are many things about Islam tht i dont know, but i know enough to live on with my life and answer most of the questions tht ppl hav to ask me. And i wish i personally knew a person who really knows a lot about Islam. then i would be able to give u info about Islam in detail.
"Tell me why I should listen to you..."
I dont know y u should listen to me. but dont believe everything u read, or hear about Islam.
"But so much of Islam IS violent. What evidence have you got to show me that I'm wrong? "
do u hav any evidence tht you are right? I shouldnt prove tht u r wrong.u hav to prove tht your right.

And plz try to understand, i dont come here to fight or argue, i only come so tht i can remove some misunderstandings tht ppl have about Jihad. Muslims and non-muslims both. i have already commented before about jihad and i'd be happy to answer any questions any1 has about jihad.

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