Much more gems from our dear Nura

Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), May 17, 2008 at 08:33

Our dear Nura wrote

>Islam does not encourage suicide!!

Our dear Nura if we are to read the Qur'an a book that you cannot read in Arabic you will find that the Qur'an is silent about suicide. The Arabic word intihar (root NHR) means suicide and he commits suicide means yantahir but you will not find either word in the Qur'an. Even in Q4:29 it says

wa la taqtuluu anfusakum

Or: and do not kill one another

This is how it was read by Tabari in his masoritic examination of the aya (see also Pickthall translation). Yes I realize that many modern Muslims like Rashad Khalifa and Arabic speakers like Dawood read the rasm of the word ANFSKM as yoursleves. If the aya would have said

wa la tantahiru

I would agree with you, but again the Qur'an is a confused and confusing book and an opaque revelation. So much for the claim that the Qur'an is a kitab mubeen.

So there really is no clear prohibition in regard to suicide in the Qur'an

Now the source of the prohibition of suicide in Islam is the bogus hadith then if you believe the bogus hadith then you will believe that suicide is prohibited in Islam.

But the most important fact is the historical record and that is that suicide was not tolerated in Islam

Now the question becomes those that killed themselves in the 9/11 atrocity must have some basis or doctrines in Islam that would justify their crimes against innocent people and for this we must turn to the hadith and it is called the "boy and king hadith" and you will find the entire hadith in Raymond Ibrahim's "The al-Qaeda reader" page 146-149 and for this see: "Permission to destroy oneself in order to ennoble and empower the religion" and Ibrahim provides the following web site where you will find a copy of this infamous hadith: http://www.qern.org/node/80

And this is indeed the hadith that the likes of Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahri quote to justify suicide in islam. How come you did not know that our dear Nura? Or did you think that we infidles that love idols and wine and pork do not do our research?

Now if we turn to the sira we will find the famous story of Auf ibn Harith who was told by Muhammad that it was Ok to kill himself while attacking the enemy and the word istishhad or self-martydom aka suicide was invented

So you see why should we believe you our dear Nura if you do not seem to know any of the above?

>You use that passage as proof!!IT IS A CHALLENGE, Plato.

What challenge? that you do not know any arabic? or that you are here defending the absurd? or that you are here telling us that Islamic and Arabian imperialism was really a "peaceful take over"? If you reach your ancestors that were brutalized by islam our dear Nura they will think that you are out of your mind. So are you out of your mind?

>Allah is telling the disbeliever that they will never be able to defeat the Prophet(PBUH). He then goes on to say in so many words If you don't like it then kill yourself if you think that will cure your anger!!! LOL Allah knows what waits for them after that.

Wow Allah the psychologist (sic)! But wait if Allah is for real then he is for sure not aware that suicide is the ultimate complication of depression which means that if there is anyone to blame for suicide it must be your Allah as he plans everything. Right our dear Nura?

>Wonderful Ayat, thanks for reminding me about it.

No darling it is called aya! Ayat is the plural so stick to Urdu. Oh I forgot that you are AMERICAN from Ohio

>There are many versus on Jihad in the Quran because the Quran is complete.

The Qur'an is "complete"? Really? Well then how come the Qur'an is silent about male as well as female genital mutilation our dear Nura? So would you like to change your above bogus assertion?

>It has also rules of inheritance,

Let me see: men get more and a kalala (whatever that is) gets also some loot and some money. Great stuff.

>diet,

Oh let me see dhabiha halal and cruelty to animals and no bacon and no wine. And why is that our dear Nura? So muslims can get mad cows disease and elevated cholestrol and heart disease as long as the meat is halal . Your Allah did not even know that eating healthy diet is the way to go and if he would have said eat lots of vegetables and fruits and whole grains and do not be a pig it would have made some sense but your Allah had no clue about that is really a healthy diet. Are you also aware that Muhammad loved to eat a horrbile soup called tarid and loved his meats and marrows! Arteries clogging diet for sure but nontheless halal. Just amazing

>manners,

Oh let me see: so eat with your right hand and clean your backside with your left hand. This is drivel

>and relationships between spouses.

Oh let me see: as in beat your wives our dear Nura.

>It is for this very reason why we don't need secularism.

No learn to speak for yourself darling. You know what you need? You need to get your money back from your glorious madrassa.

>We have all we need in one religion.

Which one is that? the religion of the Arabs? But you ain't no Arab our dear Nura as your allah says: wa ma arsalna min rasulan ila bilisani qawmuhu and you ain't no Hijazi Arab darling

>It must speak of war if it is the true guidance of God.

Could it be because if there is war and Muslim looting your Allah gets 1/5 of the loot? Or could it be because the criminal mustashhid will get his 72 virgins or his boys as in the case of Mohamed Atta as he was not really in virgins?So which one is it?

>Life is War.

Really? I'm sure that Geaoge Orwell could not have said it better and do you know who is really George Orwell or are you busy reading the Qur'an that you cannot even read in Arabic?

>The reward for dying in the cause of Allah is great.

Let me guess: 72 virgins or boys of heaven as in the case of Mohamed Atta. Right?

>What is a greater sacrifice than your life?

And what would an Ohio girl like you get in Allah's little heaven? 72 vrigins? or is it the boys? and does your Allah make lesbian virgins?

> The greatest sacrifice should have the greatest reward.What, it is better to die in war for your country or a cause that you may not believe in? The hypocrisy is AMAZING.

And your ignorance is amazing.

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