past and present

Submitted by the Grand Infidel of Kaffiristan (Australia), Apr 19, 2009 at 00:03

Mr. Berk Akk (pbuh) writes:

"......is really difficult to understand racist rhetoric words against a nation ."

Who said anything about racism? Criticism of Islamic ideology is not racism - why do you link race and ideology together?. Turkey is not a mono-racial society - but it is nearly 100% Islamic. BTW, using 'racism' as a derogatory term is a tactic used by people who often have vested interests and no good arguments for their case and seek to smear their opponent. But while we are on the subject, 'racism' has inherent inequities and can leads to extremes of behaviour. Culturalism states the obvious.

". Fırst of all constantinapole subjects hapenned centuries ago ."
So what? Should everything that happened more than 10 years ago be forgotten? Turn a blind eye to what's happened to Cyprus seeing that it was two decades ago? People can choose to see Constantinople and the usurpation of Greek land on continental Europe as another example of what is likely to happen if steps are not taken to prevent similar actions in the future. Forget what happened to Serbs and their villages in Bosnia?

"2nd ,Are you native australan?"

Meaning am I aboriginal? Irrelevant. But if you want to take that route - what were the Aboriginals doing here? They invaded across a land bridge and a short sea trip - and wiped out an earlier group of aboriginals who were already here. And if your ancestors actually arrived from central Asia - what are you doing in Turkey?

"... if not what is your bussiness there.""
And what is the business of Turkish migrants who live here , besides running coffee shops?

"What happened to aborgines there.? "
Let's see - people with superior technology and more successful culture found an almost empty land a couple of hundred years ago and brought with them medicine, weapons, technology and social systems. These people, the British, set up a small colony , farmed and began trading with each other, expanded outwards slowly, knew about the properties and usefulness of metals and mined and smelted them. Gradually they came into contact with several of the 200 or so tribes of native people who spoke 200 or so languages and were often warring amongst themselves. These were people who for whatever reason had not developed any significant technology (an example of this is they had not invented the wheel ) so found the newcomers appearance and technology quite strange. Some died from diseases that the newcomers were immune to. At times there were skirmishes between the new settlers and bands of aboriginals. Sometimes the killings were started by the settlers and at other times by the aboriginals themselves.

The story now (the period which we live in, the only time that can be really relevant for us) though is aboriginal people have as much (and in many cases more) rights as anybody else in this society to health, education, legal help, employment, social security etc etc. They now live in one of the world's most successful and stable first world democracies.

Someone was going to find Australia.and I don't blame the British for colonising. I'm sure the Aboriginals now if you asked them would have in retrospect preferred the British against the Spanish, French, Russian or Chinese.

"You gave museum lands to them of their own land:)?"
??? You don't seem to understand. There was never one pre-European aboriginal idyll, one aborigianl group living harmonously in some sort of western pacific paradise. It was many groups spread over an area larger than Europe of an estimated 1 to 1.5 million people. Often they were involved in brutal and bloody tribal wars. Now Aborginal people own enormous tracts of valuable land in every state - a decision our legal system made many years ago. They are subject to the same laws that all other citizens are subject to.

"......or this land given to you by your god?" is it a prommised land to you?
It must have been , mustn't it - isn't it all 'Allah's' will?

"....historical stories is not a science to judge people."
who is judging whom?

"....be also informed that Brain clearing is not proudable thing. "

It is more 'proudable' than having a dark and dirty mind full of ambition, superstition and non-facts..

"It is against humanity and it is a crime.."

You must be speaking about children swotting in madrassas ten hours a day. I agree, it is a damnable thing.

"3rd..Joining of turkey to Europian community is not the monopoly of someone or a country "

I'm afraid it is - it's the sole decision of the EU representatives in Brussels. It is NOT a Turkish decision - if Turkey meets their standards and the EU parliament want them to join and Turkey wants to join - then they can join.

."....while be also informed that not all of turksh people dying crazy for EC.."

I don't think too many people will be upset by that.

"Therefore dont be worry that not all people in earth willing to live in your jelaous world. "

'Jealous world '- what on earth are you talking about? The world is not 'jealous'. Why do you use that word, why bring up an emotion?

"....If this not satisfies you, you can built a wall around your country and live happily inside forever..."

people build walls for a reason - usually to protect themselves against rain and wind and cold. They are also there to protect the occupants from theft and attack. Why do you have a door on your house or apartment? If you are referring to the EU - it does have walls in a sense. It is protecting itself from cultural theft and attack. I'm sure any EU citizens would love to live happily inside forever . And I'm sure they'd wish that people who would seek to destroy or undermine what the already has - would learn to develop their own areas and live happily inside them.

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