Ataturkistan

Submitted by Ianus (Poland), May 1, 2009 at 10:42

berk akk wrote :

> I am 42 years old<

Not too old to change wrong but cherished opinions apparently ... But who knows ?

> and visited countless turkish family homes.Interestingly i didnt see that boring book.For a little search i asked around 20 people around today, nobody said yes.<

What part of Ataturkistan do you live in? I ask because e.g. among the Yuruk nomads in Anatolia reading anything has never been popular and , besides , you wrote yourself that "Best parts of turkey occuiped by georgians,abhazians çerkez,many other." So maybe by mistake you visited some Georgians , Abkhaz or Cherkez ?

>And it is interesting also how you come up such a result. More than 90% of people dislike hitler. Best seller..omg.this is socially imposibble. From what sources of such information you got ...<

"Socially impossible"? ...How well-informed on what is possible and what is impossible you are ! By the way, do you acknowledge as a far-fetched and theoretical possibility that Turkey is or rather might be wrong and you might be defending a wrong cause ? Don't turn the question against me as I have no problem with my country's past wrongdoings.

As to the sources, they are all open E.g. al-Beeb (BBC), The Guardian and others had this breaking news story. When 13 publishers suddenly throw the same book on the market despite , how can anyone in his senses conclude that "more than 90% of people dislike Hitler" ? Quite the contrary! The Israeli National News reports : ' Turkish political scientist Dogu Ergil sees the book's rise in popularity as evidence of anti-Semitism, anti-Americanism, and Nazism. "Buried in the dustbin of history in Europe, Nazims is beginning to re-emerge in Turkey," he warned.' One astute commentator observed : " Imagine how many copies of "Mein Kamp" would sell in the Islamic world if most Muslims could actually read."

> Let me assume it is official tale.a Second refutation to you.Turkish officials are trying to make a good relation with jews and saying official lies to his public ? For what reason? To make them enemies with jews or to make them friends of them?what is your rejection to officials approach?<

Let a Jew , not me , answer your question. The author is indignant that the Jewish leadership so willingly and shamefully assisted the Turks' campaign of lies about the Armenian genocide. As long as they were useful to the Turks the Jews were a 'good' friend. But if a "good" friend is not submissive enough , the Turk knows how to bully him back into submission. The author writes :

" So no, although the leadership of our community has thrown its weight behind the world's most successful campaign of genocide denial, I doubt they've managed even to serve the short-term interests of Turkish Jewry. And you can bet they've considerably complicated the future of that community by demonstrating to Turkey that popular antisemitic hatred is a valuable political asset.

Your second question: "Do you think the Anti-Defamation League is concerned about Turkish Jews, but being shortsighted, or that the organization is just using the issue as an excuse to protect Turkey?"

I certainly accept that some in the Jewish community—perhaps including some of the commissioners of the ADL—are genuinely concerned about the fate of Turkish Jews. I have more difficulty believing they truly think that by gutlessly jumping at the demands of antisemites we can earn a happier outcome for Jews. I'd thought the 20th century had taught us that this was a losing strategy, and I'm mystified as to how any American Jew could conclude that we were too hasty in giving up on this approach, and ought now to give it another whirl.

Still, I suppose that if the leaders of the ADL—which once stood as a symbol of modern Jewish assertiveness and refusal to accept the traditional indignities of Jewish life in Europe—can today be co-opted as compliant Court Jews for Ankara, then it's no more startling to learn that they and others in the Jewish community are prepared to sit cringing at the feet of Middle Eastern leaders who clearly think they know a thing or two about how to keep irksome Jews in line. Turkish antisemites must have been gratified that American Jewish leaders—representatives of the most empowered, integrated Jewish population in the history of the diaspora—could be so easily managed like a gaggle of korkak Yahudiler, responding to threats of antisemitic violence with desperate smiles and obsequious supplications. "

An excellent comment to this : " Meanwhile, back at the headquarters of Israel's 2nd favorite ally, the Turkish authorities were busy doing what they do best: generate hypocrisy of the highest magnitude. While Jewish leaders in Israel and the U.S. are busying themselves with Genocide denial to appease their Turkish "allies", their Turkish allies are busying themselves accusing Israel of "Judaising" the Temple Mount. Now, I for one, don't know if there is any merit to this report of "Turkish experts". But talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

All I can say is, the Israelis must have a fetish for getting donkey punched! In a twisted and battered-wife-syndrome type of way, I have to admire Turkey; it is a lot more powerful and guttsy than I ever thought. They just don't give a shit over there what anyone says; everyone else plays by the rules of diplomacy, while Turkey plays by its own rules and always wins."

>Any kind of positive approach is regarded as "show".This is not equitable judgement.

What "positive approach" do you mean? A suburb settlement with 1000 inhabitants is called "Polish village". How fine! Yet it turns out that only c. 100 may be called Poles and what is worse 60 of them are wholly Turkified and deny their Polishness at all while the remaining 40 say in private conversations that there won't be any Poles here soon, that they can't eat pork or engage in pig farming which is so common in Poland , as it's too dangerous and might provoke the wrath of the local imam and Moslems aroud. Polish costumes , music and dances advertised look fine on colourful Turkish posters but are quite misleading as your eulogy of this 'Polish city' in Istanbul is. And when I disclose the fraud - which the Russians who also had a bad record in this respect call aptly "Potiomkin's villages" - you blame me for my lack of 'positive approach' and not 'equitable judgement' ? What sort of person are you to blame me for not being stupid enough to be easily hoodwinked by official fraud and deception? If you wish to see Polish life abroad as we have it here, then take a look at some parts of Chicago or Detroit and don't drivel about Polonezkoy!

> There is Turkey but not ataturkistan.<

Just as 'Arabia' was changed into 'Saudi Arabia' to honour its founder ibn Saud , so even more does Turkey deserve to change its name to sound and not just look like its founder Ataturk. Informal names are often much more accurate than the empty official ones. 'Londonistan' and 'Eurabia' may serve as excellent examples.

> There is more items can be refuted easily.<

I am astonished by the ease with which your refutations implicate you in more and more difficultes and inconsistencies.

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