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wrong impressionsReader comment on item: Does Turkey Still Belong in NATO? Submitted by berk akk (Turkey), May 12, 2009 at 04:12 "Frankly, reading your answers I often have the impression a machine has automatically generated them" Dear friend,unfortunately i also see same on your answer as automatically generated . "Hence the best thing is never to trust a Turk when he praises or upbraids anything." Please give me an example of a country or a nation whom you can trust so that we can compare independently. "The bloodiest and vilest player is, of course, Turkey herself""".....conspiracy comedy, secularist marches that ......" Does nt give you an impression of automatically generated answer "Again your self-observations overriding reality ?"That give me an impression you want to built a world made up up of only your realities. "You are just a Turkish nationalist hell-bent on whitewashing Turkey and Turkishness and deny any evidence, any facts, any conclusions that might expose your jingoistic superego. This is all Turks are determined to keep glorified. Truth, objective history is nothing they really understand or care about."Trurt and objective can only exist in you ,but never in all turks:) What a big proud is this?You are better than any turkishnes here. "In another scene, a group of apparent organ buyers includes a man clearly dressed as an Orthodox Jew"I dont like this film personaly.Such impressions should not be scened .But there are thousands of films among the world many impression scened against almost every religion,nations etc., "Why there are no Armenian films about Turkey in Ataturkistan ? "Not only ermenians but any group including turks giving nationalist seperatist impressions feeding enmity should be banned .Can you give an example about england ,spain seperatist action films? Ataturkistan word in your letter for example make a bad impression on you becouse it is also another auto generated word. "Jews tend to be oversensitive to anti-Semitism and they have to be !"I agrree with you.Please think,if we please also impress turkish sensivitiy on words ataturkistan,nomads,liers,ignorants,massacres,etc ... "Why did Turkey break neutrality in 1914 in the first place ? Why did she declare jihad on the Entente ? Had the Turks wanted, they would have stayed neutral and just made the best of their neutrality. But no! Turkey had a grand scheme and "the Goeben" and "the Breslau" were a welcome addition to the arsenal made ready to launch the disastrous offensive for "the libration of the Caucasus"."Remember you say often to me that i never come up an agreement with you.Now its time.But only one exceptation .If you remove the word above "turkey" and put "ottoman dnasty and his collaborators".In 1914 There was no turkey . "I have the impression that you are very displeased with my criticisms and crave after eulogies of your favourite angelic Turkishness"I have not displeased about your criticism.But ı said and now say againg ,i am disapointed about your words like"angelic,nomadic,non rational,your civil war blood expactancy and happines behind it .etc.tens of them" "How do you mean "tired of discususing with them"? Are they more PC than you ?" Interestingly the opposite.They dont know what this country mean for them.If this counry collapse noone will help them . "So disclose Turkey's evils now! It's your chance to do me a big favor if you can. And please be specific and avoid too general and watered down statements."Please set up my limits clearly.Too general? like your statements "all turks"? "You can substantiate your claims by dislosing your sources, by providing references and quoting relevant documents upon which what you say is based" Lets us try ......i am ready for supplying you any document if available upon request.but i afraid it has no chance to be regarded as true after reading your "I know it's the hardest part as all you say is based on Turkish historical and political fiction and forgery" "Kemal was no doubt a brilliant story-teller. Unfortunately, his last fairy tale romance called "modern Turkey" what kind of a tale is this? 75 million people and a land that can bee seen from google earth is a tale?A country with thousands of cities is a tale? "credible source for understanding what is going on in Ataturkistan and around it"Who is the credible source arount it ? "E.g. how can I treat a Moslem whose Allah teaches : [9.29] "Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth ... " ?" let me explain you how this verse understand in general public sense and myself Please pay attention the integrity of verse .It is mostly about war situation agreements..it starts "This is a declaration of immunity by Allah and His Apostle towards those of the idolaters with whom you made an agreement" now,folowing numbers such as 9.4 "Except those of the idolaters with whom you made an agreement, then they have not failed you in anything and have not backed up any one against you, so fulfill their agreement to the end of their term..............." .Numbers in seperate verses does not mean it is isoleted from the integrity of the verse.we come to 9.7"So as long as they are true to you, be true to them;"When i came to 9.29 I see that there is a legal right to fight with those who disobeyed the agreement.Modern countries has also war laws ,agreement laws against any of their possible enemies.If we read them without an integrity,we can conclude horror films.i never understand that a muslim not forced by quran to fight with jews ,christs or anyother religion based on a reason that they dont believe in allah or in islam . "But wait .. How dare I complain ? Our Moslem might feel offended that I confront him with his own religion in such an unflattering way (truth is nothing he might paricularly care about ) and feel that I have insulted him personally"You actually dont confront and insult intellectual muslims.Evaluation of verses without an integrity can ofcourse result a unatractive conclusions.To be more clear,for an example take a drug receipie.there written daily dosages like" 3 pieces in one day".That doesn mean one one will take 3 in each day till he dies.It is for illness cycle.Of course we all know this.But.. Your condition for an agreement "If you say : "Sorry, Ianus, I was wrong. Actually, I agree Islam is a nasty stupid BS and no one in his senses can care about that immoral Arab camel-driver's drivel - his Allah, daily prayers and criminal record disguised like superior 'morality' "" is a disapointment from my side.What kind of a doctrine forcing oneside agreement is this.. "And what is taught in Turkish school then? That most Turkish/Turkic civilizatory words like "iron"(demir), "gold"(altın), "silver"(gümüş) "I am also graduated froom a turkish school and not teached as how you described.But turks in history has used iron,silver as many other people did.by the way why it is so unacceptable that turks in history may have invented iron ? Nobody says at other parts of world iron usage was not invented. nobody says" only turks" invented iron, silver ,cheese ,etc..In schools there is lectures seperately for turks in history as well as other cultures in history like big civilisations.For a simple example we are teached that first inventers for printing machine was chinases not by turks.edison discovered lamp.bell discovered telegraph,eisntein e=mc2,egyptians built pyramides, ...what is the strange for this teach? should we teached as turks are nothing and never invented something, ?who teach such a approach to his citisens? "What is more you find moral and formal reasons to complain of this or that conculsion of mine "My complaints is not based on your complaints but your words like "all turks"nomadic turks""ataturkistan"ignorant" "agreement limits" etc.............. "As to life philosophy, I am afarid that you have been imbued with a totally erroneous one - as always in Ataturkistan" what is your offer for turkish people ? court and jails for them ?stateles people?crying children on gueue for visa apllication to embasies ? or what ? Note: Opinions expressed in comments are those of the authors alone and not necessarily those of Daniel Pipes. Original writing only, please. Comments are screened and in some cases edited before posting. Reasoned disagreement is welcome but not comments that are scurrilous, off-topic, commercial, disparaging religions, or otherwise inappropriate. 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